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Looking for Gold dry transfers, gothic 3/4" - 1" in size
Posted by Gigatron on Monday, April 19, 2010 8:55 PM

Hey guys,

Like the title says,  looking for gold DRT's, gothic, between 3/4" and 1".  I need to do the under-wing markings for a 1/72 F6F-5 in Blue Angels get up.  I couldn't find a factory released kit with decals, so I got an Academy kit and using Woodland Scenics Gold Gothics.  The gold is closer than the yellow that the old Mini/Hase kit came with, anyway.

But, I can't seem to find any set that comes with letters larger than 5/16" - which is too small for the under-wing markings; which can sort of be seen, here http://aerobaticteams.net/images/F6F-Hellcat-3.jpg

Any help, tips, leads or suggestions would be unbelievably appreciated!

Thanks,

Fred

 

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Posted by krow113 on Monday, April 19, 2010 9:08 PM

Gtron- I could cut any decal masks you require if painting the markings is your last resort .I would need a vector file of the markings required ,and cut them on my vinyl cutter out of low tack mask. Best I can do for you on this. Any sign shop would be able to do this type of cutting or someone with a 'cricket' cutter.

Thank you ,Krow113

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Posted by Gigatron on Monday, April 19, 2010 11:15 PM

You could do that for me, Krow?  That would be sweet.  What's your fee?

I don't know anything about vector files, though.  It's gothic lettering (standard gothic font, I believe) of just the text US NAVY.  The color is like testors gold enamel, not like a plated gold.

Give me a day or two to verify the text size.

Thanks, bud.

-Fred

 

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Posted by krow113 on Tuesday, April 20, 2010 12:57 AM

Fred its gonna costya your x-15!  No just kidding its something I do almost everyday .I prefer to be the instrument and produce to your spec so get your s together and when you can ,supply me with all the details of the masks you require. The color is not important to me ,just font sample , EXACT sizes and any details relevant to the mask. I know nothing of Blue Angel markings so its up to you to research. I ll supply enough  masks for the job with extras for practice etc. I am not so worried about a fee ,good info from you will make the job easy for me ,the material would be about  $ .05 so.....Lets see if we can do it as I have thought masks are something I can do with my sign equipment. Test case comin' up! Read my profile- goto my site- mail me a ssae - I will send them to you.

 

The only thing I would ask is if you have exhausted  the amarket decal supply.....

Thank you ,Krow113

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Posted by Gigatron on Tuesday, April 20, 2010 11:25 PM

Hey Steve,

After many hours of searching, nobody produces a readily available decal, dry transfer or mask.

BUT, what I have found is a free, downloadable font, that is as close as there is going to be.  It's Amarillo USAF.  I don't know how that works with your vector requirement, but it's the best I can figure.

I need 2 sizes, if it's possible.  In photoshop, it's a 66 pt font.  Acording to my calipers, that's 14mm high, when printed.  The second is a 30 pt font, which is 6.68mm high.

Both would just be the text:   US NAVY

On the smaller one, the text  is more closely spaced, like in this picture  http://aerobaticteams.net/images/hellcat1.jpg  Will I be able to cut the letters individually to adjust the spacing?

If this isn't feasible, can you suggest a way of making a mask from the text I printed out?

Thanks,

Fred

 

 

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Posted by krow113 on Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:45 AM

Fred; I would try the following :

 1) Use adhesive backed paper in your printer ,available in the paper section at computer stores , print out the text in a thin out line and cut'em out by hand. Print out some practise sheets on plain paper .This presumes that your knife skills are up to it , you can get the font or similar to modify .

 2) If the font is not available ,it is a common one and something suitable may be printed and then modified in the cutting. You can see in the pic that it is a hand made mask (my belief, not proven) on the real plane as the 'N' just doesnt look 'right' ,beware of the computor 'perfection' it wont look right if its perfect. Isolate,and inspect each letters width o/a and thickness of stroke,and spacing relative to the letters on each side. Stroke is the thickness of the lines that make up a letter ie: the first vertical line in the 'N' these should be similar in all the letters. Do  this in the computor if you can, and print off the complete text ,rather than one letter at a time , if you can't, draw on the print out to suit .

3) Layout the whole sheet full of text  then you can have some practise masks ,leave a border of at least 1/2" around your copy to mask up to. I would put in a 'window' if I sent it to my plotter.

4)Layout on the model is gonna be tough as well ,place the main body then add in the centers of the 'A' . Burnish diligently the edge ,spray immediatly ,and dont load it with paint ,spray ' into' the letter instead of out of it. Practise to see how the paper reacts to the paint ,LOW  pressure and the LIGHTEST coats possible. I have been using a timer to keep myself away from coating to much too fast ,its hard to stay away! I read recently that sealing the mask edge with clear will stop the paint creeping under. Allow coats to dry!! This will be the sticking point for this procedure so be diligent!

5) You can also use a copier to up/down scale the pic and trace the text  ,transfer that to the adhesive sheets and go to cutting.The font has no round edges so its an easy one.

 

I think your skills are up to this Fred ,I saw your Stuka and your X-15 .This is a very good skill tester and is excellent in the fact that they may be the only decals of this type on the planet! I think its best when something is NOT readily available ,it will be unique .  A good addition to the build sheet as well.Tricky but very doable and a feather in the cap for you. There is nothing new in modeling ,there are well-proven methods and combinations of procedures that have been used for decades,this is one of those.

Some font trivia now : When fonts were 'digitized' computor software designers cheated the font designers out of licence fees by changing a certain percentage of the letters in each font they stole, the trick is finding out which letters have been modified.

If you still want me to custom cut for you I would be happy to do so. Please send me the font location.

Step 4 is the very tricky part ,if you can do this then you will have the painted markings you want. Think about the faded paint as well ,although BA planes were pretty clean .

Thank you ,Krow113

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Posted by Gigatron on Wednesday, April 21, 2010 7:42 AM

Hey, thanks for that tutorial, Steve.  I never thought to used adhesive backed computer paper Dunce.  I've been wracking my brain trying to figure out how to transfer the printout to something like masking tape or parafilm.

2 heads are definitely better than one.  If it doesn't work out, I'll let you know.

Thanks again,

Fred

 

 

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Posted by Gigatron on Thursday, April 22, 2010 10:32 AM

Hey Steve,

The home-made masks worked like a charm.

Thanks for the suggestion Cool

-Fred

 

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Posted by krow113 on Thursday, April 22, 2010 10:57 AM

Fred good to hear -post a pic if poss to finish this thread.............................

Thank you ,Krow113

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Posted by Gigatron on Saturday, April 24, 2010 10:10 PM

Here's a pic of the underwing markings.  Masked with adhesive backed printer lables and painted with testors enamel gold

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For the side markings, I couldn't cut out the S cleanly enough, so I just went with the dry transfers I had

-Fred

 

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  • From: SURREY ,B.C.
Posted by krow113 on Saturday, April 24, 2010 11:14 PM

Absolutly the best Fred ,good way to close the thread and glad to help.

Thank you ,Krow113

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