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  • Member since
    June 2010
  • From: Austin, TX
How the $%*! am I supposed to fix this?
Posted by DoogsATX on Saturday, November 27, 2010 11:25 AM

Stupid old Monogram decals. Spent last night fighting with them to knock down the milky white residue, finally got them laying down nice, and woke up this morning to see this:

Any ideas where I go from here? 

I'm figuring *** a bunch of little holes and put something on 'em, but what? Micro Set? Micro Sol? Solvaset (which caused this fun)? Future? Gloss coat?

I'd really like to salvage this one if I can, and going aftermarket isn't really and option for most of it, since no one makes markings for Schilling's "Hairless Joe" in 48th. At least not that I've been able to find.

EDIT - Turns out Aeromaster has a sheet with Hairless Joe...found one on some obscure bookseller's website of all places. Still would like to try to salvage these if I can, though...

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  • Member since
    February 2003
  • From: Allentown, PA
Posted by BaBill212 on Saturday, November 27, 2010 12:16 PM

Yikes, Doogs,, that is quite the mess,, for sure.

The finish looks very flat but I am guessing you did lay down a gloss before applying the decals....

I am not sure that they are salvagable to be honest. I mean if it were a little area here or there, maybe,,, but this looks full blown.

[If it were me] I would be removing and starting over with aftermarket.

 

Best of luck with it...

 

Bill 

Enjoy the ride!

 

  • Member since
    January 2009
  • From: hamburg michigan
Posted by fermis on Saturday, November 27, 2010 12:17 PM

SurpriseOh that's UGLY!!!!

 I have never had any luck trying to use micro-set after things have dried. I have had a few decals peel up over time. For these, I diluted clear/white glue, about 50/50 with water. It looks like you have enough "open" edges that you could dip your brush in the glue mix and feed it in around the edges, maybe squish it around a bit to get even coverage, then try some micro-sol. For the larger solid markings (insignia and letters) you could lightly cut around the outside of the marking and remove the clear film. I ALWAYS cut off the extra clear areas of decals before they ever see water.

Did you gloss before decaling?

dmk
  • Member since
    September 2008
  • From: North Carolina, USA
Posted by dmk on Saturday, November 27, 2010 12:58 PM

Old decals? Looks like the glue is bad on them. They laid down when wet, but once they dried there was nothing to hold them.

 You might be able to glue 'em down with Future, but getting it under them would be a pain.  Maybe a small brush and soak it really good, kinda squeezing it in there by rubbing the top of the decal. then put a good thick coat on top with a large soft brush.

 If it were me, I'd pull them off and replace them with new ones in better condition. They will probably come right off with a little tape.

  • Member since
    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, November 27, 2010 1:09 PM

Wow...I'm guessing you didn't gloss the model first, then I'm guessing you used no decal solvent on them---is that correct?

  • Member since
    June 2010
  • From: Austin, TX
Posted by DoogsATX on Saturday, November 27, 2010 1:27 PM

Thanks all. 

To answer a few questions - I did gloss the model first with Testors gloss lacquer (airbrushed). In hindsight I probably should have done a second coat. I used Micro Set to lay the decals down, and Solvaset after. I'm chalking the chaos up to old decals. 

I tried fighting with them a little this morning before saying screw it. Got 90% of them off by soaking the plane in warm water. Still have a lot of residue that simply will not come up, though. Any ideas? Would putting Micro Set on it help me wipe it off? I'm prepared to wet sand and repaint the upper surfaces if I have to, but I'd really, really rather not if I can avoid it.

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

  • Member since
    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, November 27, 2010 2:15 PM

If you are prepared to re-do the paintjob then there will be no harm in ytrying everything under the sun to get the residue off, as you plan on stripping it as a last resort anyway...

  • Member since
    April 2008
  • From: Philadelphia PA
Posted by smeagol the vile on Saturday, November 27, 2010 2:51 PM

Id go ahead and lay a few thick layers of decal solvant/solution on them to see if it hurts.  I havent had decal problems before just because of that reason, I think.  I lay down a thick coat ontop of the gloss, then a thick coat ontop of the decal, then another after its dried.

but then I might just be insane

 

  • Member since
    October 2007
  • From: Louisville, KY
Posted by pordoi on Saturday, November 27, 2010 3:17 PM

DoogsATX

I tried fighting with them a little this morning before saying screw it. Got 90% of them off by soaking the plane in warm water. Still have a lot of residue that simply will not come up, though. Any ideas? Would putting Micro Set on it help me wipe it off? I'm prepared to wet sand and repaint the upper surfaces if I have to, but I'd really, really rather not if I can avoid it.

 

Before you sand, try to get the remnants up using some tacky masking tape.  Stick it on, burnish thioroughly and peel.  Since it doesn't look like the decals stuck well to begin with, the tape may just pull off what's left.

 

Don

 

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