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Help! USS Forrestal Decal Disaster!

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    March 2012
Help! USS Forrestal Decal Disaster!
Posted by Old_SAC_Guy on Friday, March 23, 2012 4:13 PM

Update on my build (my purgatory). I am building a MPC (Airfix) 1/600 USS Forrestal for a friend who was on the commissioning cruise (First model in 25 years). After I painted the deck and ALL the lines (Flat Paint) I clear coated the deck (Testors GlossCoat in a can over flat paint) to apply the 4 elevator striping and the ship's number decals. The decals (besides OLD) are thick and the back is (the adhesive?) coated with a thick milky film. I had to let the decal slide of the paper while still in the water and gently wash it off with a soft brush. I did this as the first one I applied to the superstructure  was discolored by the this (I think). The decals are so thick that they can handle it. I applied them and tried 2 different decal solvents. One worked great (Testors) and the other caused the decal to really shivel up Solvaset). After the initial panic i was able to wash and reset that decal to a acceptable set. I never had a problem with Solvaset so maybe I panicked to early.
Today, as I wandered to "Das Boot" as I call it I was going to clear coat (Testors Dullcoat in a can) the finished deck. I was apprehensive as to the age of the decals and the fact it's been so long since I did this. I was unfortunatley rewarded for my concerns. The decals almost immediately started to shrivel and bubble up off the deck. Fantically I took a x-acto knife and some water and began trying to save them. With some surgery and foul language (it IS a Navy ship) I thought I got them to behave somewhat. The older gentleman I am building this for (76 years old) will be more than happy with the results, BUT I AM NOT. I thought I was okay, but, no, the decals were still silvery and now due to my continual decal sterilization the decals are not adhered to the deck ( I know as I tried to trim the excess film with a e-xacto knife.

I am beside my self and have imprints of my keyboard on my forehead. I don't know what to due. Buy frisket paper and try to paint the numbers on and the elevator stripes. Do I find a Starfighter decal sheet ($25.00) and try again. My buddy id going to be 77 soon and would like it done while he is still vertical.

Any help or comment to help me now or in the future will be appreciated. 
I also realize that a more experienced modeller could have forseen all this and used different methods to prevent my grief.

  • Member since
    January 2009
  • From: San Antonio
Posted by paintsniffer on Friday, March 23, 2012 4:24 PM

Just a heads up.. When you use a setting solution like microsol or solvaset or something the decals will shrivel up initially. when they dry they will be just fine.

If they break apart when you use the solvents, then you have a problem.

I stopped buying the Testors stuff after the first time I used it and realized it was just vinegar.

 

Personally, If the decals are that thick and nasty, I would spring for the aftermarket sheet. But that is just me.

Excuse me.. Is that an Uzi?

  • Member since
    August 2004
  • From: UK
Posted by four-star on Friday, March 23, 2012 4:50 PM

I had a similar experience with spray can dull coat over decals.  Not as bad by the sounds of it though.  Does your testors can say 'lacquer' on it?  If so, this is too hot for decals.  In general I think this is a problem with spray cans as you never know quite what's in them chemical wise.  I've had so called acrylic sprays eat decals before.

  • Member since
    March 2012
Posted by Old_SAC_Guy on Friday, March 23, 2012 5:18 PM

Yes, the Solvaset was more aggressive.  I used it years ago and never had a problem. I have heard about vinegar. Nice to know testors is that. I wanted to buy the aftermarket decals, but being a unemployed engineer type it was not possible as I am building this for someone else. He is a member of my gun club and probably happy if I glued it together and didn't care about 'details'. But that ain't me. I got alot of ours into this already.... But, I want it right!

Thanks for your comment!

  • Member since
    March 2012
Posted by Old_SAC_Guy on Friday, March 23, 2012 5:33 PM

4 Star. The GlossCoat and DullCoat say 'lacquer'. I bought the bottled Testors GlossCoat and was afraid to mix it for my airbrush (relearning that too). I read about Future, but haven't tried it yet. I just got back into modelling after 25 years... About 100 kits on the shelf I stare at. I never hade a problem with Testors clear coats before, so that is why I used them. I did not like them this time as the lack of 'refined' spray pattern. I have alot of 'stashed' aftermarket decals for my aircraft. I actually had a business selling models years ago. Things may have got too high tech to enjoy, so my old kits are fine. Plus, years reading Fine Scale Modeler and 36 years of USAF service between my wife and me I see so many models that are 'super dertail and weathered' that just don't look like what the real thing did that I am some what discontent with the current trend if I want to build for contest. I know I got off subject, but after years of "holding it in" I couldn't anymore.

Thanks for the help!

  • Member since
    March 2012
Posted by Old_SAC_Guy on Saturday, March 24, 2012 8:07 AM

The one thing I must ask is there no way to get the decals to adhere to the deck now? I thought of mixing white glue and water to brush them with, but I not real positive on it.

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