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  • Member since
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  • From: Indianapolis
Decals not sitting quite right
Posted by Squatch88 on Saturday, March 15, 2014 8:06 PM

I was building a kit from hasegawa, ground equipment and such, and the decals didnt get that "painted on" look we all strive for. I think I prepared the surface correctly, but its been a while so I'll recap quickly how I prepped it.

1) painted surface

2) coat of future-brushed on

3) quick brushing of microl sol(or set, whichever one smells like vinegar)

4) decal goes on, the other micro product

5) coat of future again to seal the deal

after all that you can still see the decal in its entirety in the right light. If looking at it in average lighting its now readily noticable, but I was wondering if there was something I did to cause it? Or if I missed a step in my process? I know its not fixable now as the future sealed it in, but for future reference.

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    April 2009
  • From: Longmont, Colorado
Posted by Cadet Chuck on Sunday, March 16, 2014 1:07 AM

I find best results when I don't use Future at all.  

Coat the painted surface with a good gloss coat, such as Testor's.  Let it dry a day or two.  Apply decal with water, blot it and press it down with a tissue.  Let it dry a day.  If needed to make it conform to panel lines or other surface details, then apply a coat of Micro-Sol or Solv-A Set quickly and don't touch it overnight.  This usually works fine for me.

Sometimes you just get crummy decals that won't look right no matter what you do!  Not much you can do about that.

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    September 2006
  • From: Australia
Posted by Blitzwing on Sunday, March 16, 2014 4:06 AM

Hasegawa decals are generally thicker, especially the older ones so making them disappear is harder than usual. You didn't mention putting on a matt coat? That usually gives it the painted on look.

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    March 2010
  • From: MN
Posted by Nathan T on Sunday, March 16, 2014 10:32 AM

Hasegawa decals are thick and resistant to some setting solutions, such as Microsol like you used. Solvaset and Gunze's Mr. Mark Softer are much better for them. It still does take 2 or 3 applications of softening solution with in 5 or 10 minutes of each other to get the Hasegawa decals to conform to the surface.

 

 

  • Member since
    September 2012
  • From: Indianapolis
Posted by Squatch88 on Sunday, March 16, 2014 2:52 PM

I did put a flat coat on as a final layer. They are thick decals, thats how I should have described them. I'll try one of the other solutions next time I use Hasegawa.

  • Member since
    November 2008
  • From: Central Florida
Posted by plasticjunkie on Friday, April 18, 2014 6:41 PM

If the surface is not really glossy, then you have the silvering effect. I apply several light Future coats till it's like glass. Solvaset is very aggressive and will most of the time, make the decals look much better. Once in a while  something happens no matter what you do. It happened to me with some Eduard decals, and they are pretty good quality.

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  • Member since
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  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Saturday, April 19, 2014 9:45 AM

Thick decals will indeed leave a visible edge.  No setting solution nor decal solvent really does a decent job of hiding the edge.  But the overcoat/clearcoat should sort of round off the edges and leave them less visible.  Maybe you will need more than a single coat of clear.

I notice some new decals are VERY thin.  This makes for a nice appearance after application.  But boy those super thin decals can be a bear to apply.  They break easily and fold back on themselves readily.  So I have mixed feelings on these newer decals.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

  • Member since
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  • From: Central Florida
Posted by plasticjunkie on Sunday, April 20, 2014 12:31 PM

Don Stauffer

Thick decals will indeed leave a visible edge.  No setting solution nor decal solvent really does a decent job of hiding the edge.  But the overcoat/clearcoat should sort of round off the edges and leave them less visible.  Maybe you will need more than a single coat of clear.

 

I have solved that very same problem by brushing several coats of Future from the center of the decal feathering it to the outside. Several Future coats are need to get rid of the "step" from a thick decal.

Here is an example on my 1/25 scale Academy Panther Ausf G. The decals were super thick and not even Solvaset would tame them. I brushed several Future coats form the center of the decal feathering it out. After 3-4 days of curing, I used a 2400 grit pad to lightly sand the area then shot some MM clear flat. As you can see, no "step" is visible.

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    April 2014
Posted by r13b20 on Wednesday, July 2, 2014 4:27 PM

I've actually repainted around the edges also. Bob

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    January 2014
Posted by Silver on Monday, August 4, 2014 10:55 AM
Rub very lightly the decal sheet w/a cloth micro mesh abrasive until you se it cloud up.Do not rub hard ,just in small circular motions.Then if you desire you can spray decal liquid film to restore the even texture.
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Posted by RobGroot4 on Wednesday, August 27, 2014 11:27 PM

I've seen some folks cut the decals while they are still dry on the sheet.  If held at the right angle, you can see where the clear part extends beyond the colored.  This can cause issues with some types of decals, but they'll usually tell you.  Then again, I had to cut down a large decal (wasn't conforming nicely) with that type of warning a while back and had zero issues.  This of course has the potential to make large words or strings of letters/numbers, rather difficult to align.

Groot

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