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Microscale Liquid Decal Film?
Posted by KenK01 on Monday, March 23, 2020 2:20 PM

I'm currently trying to finish an Academy 1/48 CH-46 Sea Knight helicopter kit and ran into an issue with the decals. They seem to be brittle and break! In particular the "stars and bars" decal that runs over the top of the fuse and down the sides broke into several pieces when I was trying to install it. I tried aligning the broken pieces, but had no joy. I ended up removing it, and refinishing that area as several of the tiny pieces of decal refused to come off. Fortunately, they provide an extra one of those decals. One of the other decals also broke when I was applying it, but I managed to salvage it by careful alignment. At that point I stopped applying the decals and am looking for some suggestions or advice from you folks as to how I should proceed. I bought some Microscale Liquid Decal Film, hoping that might make the decals more flexible. But I've never used the stuff before, so before trying it I thought I'd reach out and see what you think about that. Does the product work for this application? Anything else I should try instead?

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, March 23, 2020 2:42 PM

That's the right product. Another option would be Testor's Gloss Coat, but I'd start with the decal liquid. If possible, I always try to scan my decal sheets in the case of having to print new ones.

You'll have to trim right around the edge of the image, but that will probably work.

Good luck.

 

Bill

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by KenK01 on Monday, March 23, 2020 2:52 PM

Thanks Bill! I'll give that a try then after I scan the decals. Do I understand correctly that after I apply the liquid decal film and it dries, I then have to cut out just the image? I'm guessing that will make handling the decal a bit tedious. Any advice on how to do that?

Ken

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, March 23, 2020 3:16 PM

Generally the way those things are printed is that first a patch of clear film ever so slightly larger than the image is applied. That's followed by successive layers of ink in the colors required, or four color printed, and then a final patch of clear sealer is applied. 

When you apply the liquid decal film, you don't have that control so you'll overlap it onto the unprinted paper surrounding the decal, which will bond to it.

You often can see the edge of the decal film, esp. on older decals. You want to cut out the decal image inside of that edge. So you have a little room to maneuver. Take your Xacto and just carefully cut around the outside of the color image, not into it but close. You don't have to cut through the paper.

 

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by KenK01 on Monday, March 23, 2020 6:05 PM

Bill,

Many thanks for the details on this. It makes sense to me now and I understand how to do it.  I'll use a couple of the decals I'm not using to practice with before I go back to the model.

Ken 

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Posted by cantgrowup on Monday, March 30, 2020 4:56 PM

Hey guys.  I'm new to the forum.  I am also about to try and apply some old brittle decals and I'd like to try the decal film to hold them together.  My question is can this product be airbrushed onto large decals or does it have to be brushed.  If it can be airbrushed, should it be thinned and if so, what with?  Thanks.

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Posted by KenK01 on Monday, April 13, 2020 1:06 PM

That's a good question and I don't know the answer to it. The directions say to brush it on, and that is how I used it. At first I was concerned as it went on showing obvious brush streaks, but in a short time it smoothed out and dried very smooth. So for a large decal maybe using a larger flat brush is the answer. You may want to contract Micro Scale and ask them about application with an airbrush. If you find out anything in this regard, let us know.

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, April 13, 2020 1:15 PM

On Microscale's web page they say cleanup/ thin with isopropyl alchohol.

I've never airbrushed it because I don't usually use too much, but I've airbrushed Future floor finish for the same use.

My other go-to is Testor's Decal Bonder. It comes in a little rattle can.

If you can, always scan older decal sheets before use. Sometimes that works the best, making new copies.

If they are yellow, tape them up in a sunny window, being careful that they don't come into contact with condensation on the glass. After a couple of weeks, they usually return to white.

 

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by KenK01 on Monday, April 13, 2020 11:15 PM

Thanks for the information on using isopropyl alcohol for thinning. It will certainly be useful for cleaning up brushes after using them to apply the liquid decal film. I may try to thin some of the stuff with the alcohol and see how it works with my airbrush on some scrap decals. My guess is that several coats will be needed to get a thick enough layer to get the desired effect.

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  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Tuesday, April 14, 2020 9:27 AM

GMorrison

Generally the way those things are printed is that first a patch of clear film ever so slightly larger than the image is applied. That's followed by successive layers of ink in the colors required, or four color printed, and then a final patch of clear sealer is applied. 

When you apply the liquid decal film, you don't have that control so you'll overlap it onto the unprinted paper surrounding the decal, which will bond to it.

You often can see the edge of the decal film, esp. on older decals. You want to cut out the decal image inside of that edge. So you have a little room to maneuver. Take your Xacto and just carefully cut around the outside of the color image, not into it but close. You don't have to cut through the paper.

 

 

I always use a scalpel for trimming decals, and also Tamiya tape when masking canopies and greenhouses.  I find it sharper than X-acto blades.  I save it just for those uses, but actually scalpels and blades are no more expensive than modeling knives.  The blades are even cheaper than X-acto blades.  I think in the medical profession the scalpels and blades are discarded after every use, so they are produced in great quantity.  They are packaged in quantities of 50 or 100.  A package is about six bucks.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by GlennH on Thursday, April 16, 2020 10:39 PM

Don Stauffer

 

 
GMorrison

Generally the way those things are printed is that first a patch of clear film ever so slightly larger than the image is applied. That's followed by successive layers of ink in the colors required, or four color printed, and then a final patch of clear sealer is applied. 

When you apply the liquid decal film, you don't have that control so you'll overlap it onto the unprinted paper surrounding the decal, which will bond to it.

You often can see the edge of the decal film, esp. on older decals. You want to cut out the decal image inside of that edge. So you have a little room to maneuver. Take your Xacto and just carefully cut around the outside of the color image, not into it but close. You don't have to cut through the paper.

 

 

 

 

I always use a scalpel for trimming decals, and also Tamiya tape when masking canopies and greenhouses.  I find it sharper than X-acto blades.  I save it just for those uses, but actually scalpels and blades are no more expensive than modeling knives.  The blades are even cheaper than X-acto blades.  I think in the medical profession the scalpels and blades are discarded after every use, so they are produced in great quantity.  They are packaged in quantities of 50 or 100.  A package is about six bucks.

 

Do you have a link to your preferred place for these blades/scalpels?

A number Army Viet Nam scans from hundreds yet to be done:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/southwestdreams/albums/72157621855914355

Have had the great fortune to be on every side of the howitzers.

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  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Friday, April 17, 2020 1:25 PM

I use Amazon.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, April 17, 2020 2:28 PM

Don Stauffer

I always use a scalpel for trimming decals, and also Tamiya tape when masking canopies and greenhouses.  I find it sharper than X-acto blades.  I save it just for those uses, but actually scalpels and blades are no more expensive than modeling knives.  The blades are even cheaper than X-acto blades.  I think in the medical profession the scalpels and blades are discarded after every use, so they are produced in great quantity.  They are packaged in quantities of 50 or 100.  A package is about six bucks.

 

A package of 100 Xacto blades is about $ 35- $ 40.

I'm terrified of scalpel blades. One of my classmates in Architecture school swore by them but I was scared of them.

Now that I'm on Plavix I am very careful even with the Xacto.

The only thing that scares me more in the sharpie world is my kitchen mandoline.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

  • Member since
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  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Saturday, April 18, 2020 6:49 AM

GMorrison

 

 
Don Stauffer

I always use a scalpel for trimming decals, and also Tamiya tape when masking canopies and greenhouses.  I find it sharper than X-acto blades.  I save it just for those uses, but actually scalpels and blades are no more expensive than modeling knives.  The blades are even cheaper than X-acto blades.  I think in the medical profession the scalpels and blades are discarded after every use, so they are produced in great quantity.  They are packaged in quantities of 50 or 100.  A package is about six bucks.

 

 

 

A package of 100 Xacto blades is about $ 35- $ 40.

 

I'm terrified of scalpel blades. One of my classmates in Architecture school swore by them but I was scared of them.

Now that I'm on Plavix I am very careful even with the Xacto.

The only thing that scares me more in the sharpie world is my kitchen mandoline.

 

I'm on Plavix too.  Two weeks ago I trimmed my fingernail with a table saw.  Took off the tip of the nail and the tinyest bit of the fingertip.  Hurt like the devil for two weeks but it is now healing fine.  I still cut myself working on models, but while it bleeds a little longer than it used to, but it has not been a problem.  Bruise so easily, though.  That is a bigger concern to me than cuts.  I am getting dialysis and my upper arm is black and blue.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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  • From: Fresno
Posted by AT6 on Sunday, May 17, 2020 3:32 AM

Oh yes. The joys of Plavix. One paper cut and bleed like a "Stuck 'hog". I've been on it with 81 mg of Baby Aspirin ever since I had a stent put in me. I'm super careful with sharp objects. I'm not overly impressed with Decal Restorer from Microscale. I still prefer air brushing Gloss Coat over them.

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  • From: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Posted by goldhammer on Sunday, May 17, 2020 4:08 PM

Was on it after 3 stents.  My VA doc freaked when he found out I had been on it for over 2 years along with 325 aspirin.  Normally only supposed to take for a year, depending.

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