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How do you deal with TAMIYA decals?
Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 3:24 PM
Hi folks

I´m having a real decaling nightmare regarding TAMIYA decals on my Spitfire, the problems are:

Some of them don´t react to supersol.
Others deform after the coat of supersol.
Permanent wrinkles imposible to remove after 7 coats of supersol.
Fogging problems.

I have the ideal glossy surface for decals, the test decal I used worked perfectly with the microset and supersol system and hot water…..but when I started to apply decals on the aircraft the problems began.Banged Head [banghead]

So my question is how do you deal with this Censored [censored]Censored [censored] decals????

Thanks in advance.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 8:58 PM
Man, I am so interested in the answer to this one. I have had the same problems with my Tamiya decals. I have even had them wrinkle when putting on the top coat of future. I am at just as much a loss as you. I thought that it was just me. I have been told that aftermarket decals are the way to go, so I picked up a few packages recently to try them out, but haven't had a chance. I will be watching this thread like a hawk.
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Posted by BlackWolf3945 on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 10:37 PM


'Nuff said...


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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 12, 2004 2:10 AM
Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D] That's a great answer Blackwolf!

Seriously though, 86 the decals, try using dry-transfers instead.
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Posted by dubix88 on Thursday, August 12, 2004 5:24 AM
HEY,
What if you cant get aftermarket stuff? I am building a Tamiya US M1A1 Abrams and im stuck using the decals that come with it so what can i do? Ive never used tamiya decals so im kinda new to this.

Randy
THATS MY VOTE "If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there is a man on base." -Dave Barry In the words of the great Larry the Cable Guy, "GIT-R-DONE!!!"
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 12, 2004 8:59 AM
Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]
blackwolf you really make me laugh today!!!
Those are the exact decals that I’m having troubles right now!!!!!!…excellent idea…..
I have found a nice decal sheet from Techmond decals in Squadron, I´ll ordering them soonThumbs Up [tup]

later
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 12, 2004 1:06 PM
Hi,

Don't know if Tamiya decals are different in aircrat, armour, etc., than in their motorcycles and autos as I have never used them. I would think not. I have never had a problem wih their auto decals.
What I do is,-

1- Give the surface a couple of good coats of Klear and leave it a day to fully cure.

2- I use a few drops of Tamiya acrylic thinners in warm water (10-1 ish mix). Let them soak until they start lifting from the paper. Then place them and brush out any air bubbles. Blot them to remoce excess water. Leave them to dry.

3- If I get any bubbles, lifting, etc., I just brush them over with the mix.

4- Some more Klear, which again I let fully cure. Then depending where they are top coat with matt, gloss or laquer.

This works for me.

Paul.
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Posted by dubix88 on Thursday, August 12, 2004 4:30 PM
HEY,
It seems like the only problems are with planes. Not sure though.

Randy
THATS MY VOTE "If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there is a man on base." -Dave Barry In the words of the great Larry the Cable Guy, "GIT-R-DONE!!!"
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Posted by wbill76 on Thursday, August 12, 2004 4:47 PM
I've never built a Tamiya aircraft kit so can't comment on those decals, however the armor decals have always worked out ok for me. I use enamel paints and lacquers, spray a gloss coat, apply decals, apply glosscoat over the decals with a brush to snug them down and prevent silvering, then apply a dull coat and voila!
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Posted by BlackWolf3945 on Thursday, August 12, 2004 5:54 PM
Actually, to be serious, (who? me? serious?) sometimes it's a matter of potluck as to what the decals in Tamiya kits will be like. I'm speaking mostly of their aircraft kits but I've noticed similar cases among the auto and armor kits which have passed through my hands.

As to what you can do to get Tamiya's decals to perform properly, I cannot tell you. I've never used any of 'em because I'm a firm believer that most kit decals, in general, are good for kindling for the campfire and nothing else. That's just me, though.

Those who have used kit decals, either out of necessity or preference, are the ones to provide the advice as to how they perform, and there's been a good bit of sound advice given in this thread already.

So even though I can't offer advice as to how to handle Tamiya's decals I can tell you that of all the Tamiya kits I've owned (speaking only of recent releases over the last ten to fifteeen years, that is) there have been three distinctly different 'types' of decals.

One type was what I refer to as the 'standard' type. Feli250, if the decals you were having problems with were the same ones as I used for my... uh... experiment (yeah, that's what it was...) then most likely they are the 'standard' type. They look godawful thick on the sheet and have a funky satin sheen to 'em but are printed rather nicely and look too nice to cut apart.

Another type I've noticed are what I call 'garage' decals. They also look kinda thick, but not as thick as the 'standards', are on a funky paper and, although you can see the decal film, it looks like the decals and paper are as one. They're not printed quite as nicely as the 'standards', either.

The third type are printed by good 'ole Scale-Master. They're very thin, and are generally well printed, although they can be of wildly varying quality.

Anyhoo, my point is that Tamiya, like most any other model manufacturer, uses a number of different companies to provide decals for their kits. Because of this some techniques and decal setting solutions which work for one type of decal may not work the same way for other types.


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Posted by Butz on Saturday, August 14, 2004 4:48 PM
Remember folks, no Tamiya Decals were actually harmed in the making of this post....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Tongue [:P]Tongue [:P]Tongue [:P]Tongue [:P]Wink [;)]
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Posted by BlackWolf3945 on Saturday, August 14, 2004 10:23 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Butz

Remember folks, no Tamiya Decals were actually harmed in the making of this post...

Mike... that's not exactly true... Wink [;)] Man those things stink when they burn...

They stink when you try to put 'em on a model, too...


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Posted by bstrump on Sunday, August 15, 2004 2:45 PM
Hi feli250. It's afrustrating problem, I know. First of all, most of the available decal solvents like supersol,aerosol,solvaset are much toostrong for tamiya decals. As you are finding, they will eat 'em up. That's why I toss them. If you are stuck with them, they are soft enough that they will conform on their own, usually. Try using setting solution alone under the decal and then blot it down with a damp cloth after a few minutes. This has worked for me in the past.
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Posted by Butz on Sunday, August 15, 2004 8:49 PM
Hey Steve,
I totally forgot about the "Stink Factor".....heheheheTongue [:P]Wink [;)]. I love the smell of burning Tamiya decals in the morning.........Tongue [:P]
Flaps up, Mike

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Posted by Albion on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 12:15 PM
Oh dear, I'm just about to put the decals on my Tamiya Spitfire too Sigh [sigh]. I've never applied any decals before either! Confused [%-)]

Darren
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Posted by qmiester on Monday, August 23, 2004 10:07 PM
If I can at all avoid it, I won't use either Tamiya or Hasagawa manufactured decals. They always seem to be too thick, too brittle, the wrong color and/or tone, or out of register (or any combination of the aforementioned problems). If I have a Tamigawa kit that contains Scale Master decals, I usually use some or all of them with out worrying too much about problems. Over the years, I've found that after market decals are a lot like kit manufacturers, every once in a while each manufacturer brings out a product which is not up to the standards of the rest of their line of products. It just happens.
Quincy
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Posted by darson on Monday, August 23, 2004 11:42 PM
Hi feli250,

I have used Tamiya decals from time to time and have found that they snuggle down pretty well with liberal and repeated application of Microscale's Micro Sol.

Cheers
Darren
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 27, 2004 1:10 AM
Well now it all makes sense. My Tamiya Gloster Meteor, which I lovingly assembled, almost got the freehand airbrushed camo right. I carefully sprayed two coats of future (pledge where I come from) over it, left it for over a day or so to set. Then the decals....the decals,.........the ##$*^ decals. Bubbled, wrinkled, tore!

I thought it was me and I have been trying so hard to get a replacement set from Tamiya.......now I say, burn baby, burn!

Simon

PS what do I do with my meteor now?
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Posted by tho9900 on Friday, August 27, 2004 2:03 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by dubix88

HEY,
It seems like the only problems are with planes. Not sure though.


I had the same problems when building a Tamiya Zero... the wing decals just shrivelled up like raisins when they started drying, some of the misc lettering decals just wouldnt stick... I usually go to squadron,com now when I get ready to buy a tamiya kit and see if there are marking sets I can order online... same for a few of the accurate miniatures I have built... for some reason the decals that came with them were either just too thick or the wrong sizes..
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Posted by saltydog on Friday, August 27, 2004 6:10 PM
hmmmmm.........funny, i've never had a minutes trouble out of tamiya's decals. i use microsol, dob some around where the decals sits, i dip my decals in tap water for about 5 seconds, then i leave it on the side of the dish, never let them "soak" in water too long as this will make them lose they're adhesive properties, and they will be more apt to tear. when the decals has been on for a few, i dob some microset on it, and let it sit for another while, then, i keep adding microset until she's snugged down nicely into panel lines and raised areas. later.

BTW, all of these are tamiya kits, using OOB decals.




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Posted by tho9900 on Friday, August 27, 2004 7:09 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by saltydog

hmmmmm.........funny, i've never had a minutes trouble out of tamiya's decals.


I noticed the big beautiful doll, And obviously you had no prob with those decals... sweet!!! I had no prob with it either though you decals a step above mine..... It just seems that some kits are luck of the draw with Tamiya, that Zero was so dissapointing... it had a lot of promise, lot's of exterior detail, crisp panel lines. I got the aftermarket ones but I was expecting a lot from the model due to how nice it went together and looked. (Maybe I am becoming a grumpy old man, I dont know haha)
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 27, 2004 7:22 PM
ive only had one major problem with the tamiya decals but it was on a kit 9 or 8 years old. sorry i couldnt help.
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Posted by Delbert on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:15 PM
I have built several Tamiya armor kits and I never have a problem with the decals. even on older kits.. I use Solvaset made by Walthers.. It literally softens the decals so that when it dries they look just like paint on the model and snuggle down into every bit of detail.. I've tried Microsol and Microset and testors Decal Set but nothing ever has come close to working as well as Solvaset.



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Posted by nicholma on Friday, September 17, 2004 5:42 AM
I too have been using Tamiya decals for about 30 years and never a problem. The Microsol, set duo or Gunze's Mr Softener have all worked well, along with a little hairdrier heat if it needs to go over a compound/complex curve or shape.
Kia ora, Mark "Time flies like the wind, fruit flies like bananas"
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 17, 2004 8:25 AM
i have used tamiya decals and not liked it. i use micro set its ok, but using micro sol is like dissolving the decal, it may or may not un-wrinkle, depending on lady luck. gah. will try Mr mark softer
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Posted by F105-Thud on Friday, September 17, 2004 9:42 AM
From my experience, I have found that most of the large decals go on fine, but the small stencils always "silver ". I got fed up of the ruined kits due to the decals, so I will throw the Tamiya decals in the bin whether it`s a tank kit or an airplane. Also Tamiya decals always seem too thick to me, regardless of the age of the kit.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 17, 2004 10:56 PM
There has been some instances that I used the Future as the glue! Put the decal on and then some Future right over it. Not orthodox, but it did work.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, November 6, 2004 9:03 PM
Some people may not like my solution. I throw the Tamiya decals out and use after market decals. I have found that the Tamiya decals (at least the ones I have come across) are very thick and unresponsive. With a little bit of looking you can find markings for just about everything that Tamiya makes.

Derwin
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, November 7, 2004 1:19 AM
Here I thought it was just me. I've always thought Tamiya decals look great.... on the sheet that is. Even when I first lay them down they look good until I break out the solvaset. The fogging I can always cure with a little future. The wrinkles are another story though. There's nothing quite so disheartening as being near completion of a project and zang! But I've learned it's not too difficult to remove a set decal and replace it.

Great looking 109 Saltydog.

build on,

mahoney
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Posted by Delbert on Monday, November 8, 2004 8:05 AM
I used to be terrible with decals then I built a couple of Nascar models.. now decals are not trouble.. even tamiya ones..



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