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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 8:04 AM
And there it is:

http://www.swannysmodels.com/TheCompleteFuture.html
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  • From: Rowland Heights, California
Posted by Duke Maddog on Monday, March 28, 2005 3:52 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by gpal

Hello,
What do you guys mean by applying future to flat painted models before decaling?
Thanks, George


George, many of us will airbrush a coat of undiluted Future floor polish over a model before decaling. This gives the model a smooth, glossy covering to apply the decals to in order to make them look 'painted on'. Then, to make a flat model flat again, the model is re-painted with a dullcoat or a mixture of Future and flat base.

Someone will post a link to Swanny's page with his article on "The Complete Future".
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  • From: Georgia
Posted by gpal on Sunday, March 27, 2005 3:14 PM
Hello,
What do you guys mean by applying future to flat painted models before decaling?
Thanks, George
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    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Friday, January 7, 2005 5:26 AM
Thanks Jon
I recall reading this from somewhere. Must be FSM coz it's about the only mag I read anyways. I've since found the cause of the problem. It was the pastel chalk and the Future was not laid on enough to really give the surface a glossy sheen.

The decals were tough to handle too. Found this out when I did decaling on another armor build. Stubborn as I was I repeated the same process but piled on the Future to make sure. These decals were smaller and perhaps made a difference and no silvering. Next time I decal, no pastel chalk first for sure and enough Future should set things right. Thanks guys.
Regards
Patrick

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 6, 2005 7:48 PM
I've heard that using a solution of 80% water and 20% white glue brushed where the decal will lie breaks surface tension in the water and assists with the decal's setting without silvering. I do not know how compatible it would be with decal setting solutions.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 16, 2004 5:17 AM
Mmmmm....that's a good idea too. Thanks Mike.
Best regards
PatrickSmile [:)]
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Posted by mass tactical on Wednesday, December 15, 2004 11:16 AM
I have had great luck in carefully cutting small slits in a decal and then brushing Future on it. The Future will usually spread, under the decal, and in most cases take care of the silvering.Big Smile [:D]

Mike M
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 15, 2004 5:37 AM
Thanks a mil guys. So.......it's the pastel chalk then. I can now start on the Corsair with confidence knowing it's going to look great.

Best regards
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 3:02 PM
I agree, the silvering of the decals was caused by the uneven surface of the model caused by the pastel chalk. Next time, after step #3, apply a coat of Future (unless the paints you applied were gloss paints), then go through the decal application process you set forth above, and finally apply the pastel chalk.
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  • From: A Spartan in the Wolverine State
Posted by rjkplasticmod on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 1:18 PM
The sivering was very likely due to step 4 in your sequence. Decals need a smooth, glossy finish to adhere without getting minute pockets of air trapped under the decal. The trapped air causes the effect called silvering. The pastel chalk, even with a topcoat of Future, gave a pebble finish which allowed the trapped air.

Regards, Rick
RICK At My Age, I've Seen It All, Done It All, But I Don't Remember It All...
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Decal silvering
Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 9:08 AM
Hi

I just finished applying decals to an armor build and the results looked like the decals where stuck on with scotch tape. The adhesive area around the design looked cloudy and the outline can be seen. Is this called 'silvering' ? I've laid on decals with good results before but that was when I didn't use pastel chalk for weathering. Perhaps the sequence in which I went about finishing the model was wrong. Here's briefly what I did :

1.pre shade ( acrylic )
2.base color ( acrylic )
3.dry brush ( enamel )
4.pastel chalk weathering
5.gloss coat with Future and left to dry for 48 hrs
6.wash
7.apply decal
8.brush decal with Gunze's MrMark Softer ( after water dried )
9.coat with Gunze's flat base mixed with Future
10. pastel chalk again for some areas made less distinct by the gloss and flat coats.
Perhaps No.4 should be left till last ? Did the pastel chalk, even with a gloss coat over it still somehow rendered the surface 'unsmooth' for decals ? This is the only conclusion I can come to. I used ro get rid of 'silvering' whenever there's any after the flat coat, with a once over of Future ( compressor set to 30 psi ). This gives the finish a realistic semi-gloss, 'metal look' but this time Future couldn't come to the rescue. Anyone care to tell me what I did wrong ? I'm going to start on a 1/48 Corsair with markings for Maj Gregory 'Pappy' Boyington soon as I've always wanted to build his aircraft after following the TV series 'Black Sheep Squadron' and I'd really love for this long awaited build to be perfect especially the decals. Many thanks in advance and best regards.
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