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When decals go Bad? (I mean Yellowing not the TV show :)

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When decals go Bad? (I mean Yellowing not the TV show :)
Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 15, 2005 5:35 PM
I have come across a couple older kits with some decals that are starting to show yellowing around the edges/clear parts of the decals.
Now when does yellowing become an issue? Can you get away with a little yellowing without noticing it after application & Decal solution. Now I know I can take some time to cut close to the edges for the art to get rid of some of it too.

Thanks for the help (as always)
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Posted by Tailspinturtle on Saturday, January 15, 2005 6:13 PM
The textbook solution is to tape them facing out on the inside of a window pane that gets a lot of sun so the yellow bleachs out. It takes some time. Don't risk doing it in any window that has ever had any condensation form on the inside.
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Posted by osher on Saturday, January 15, 2005 6:48 PM
Is there any other way to bleach decals, than by using sunlight? I only ask this as England is rather grey and wet at this time of year, and sunlight is not so common!
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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Saturday, January 15, 2005 7:16 PM
You could try a sun lamp or any lamp with a high UV output.

Regards, Rick
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Posted by osher on Saturday, January 15, 2005 7:47 PM
Thanks Rick! I'll try that out sometime
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 15, 2005 10:50 PM
Thanks for the tips

However has anyone used a very slightly yellowed decal on a grey paint scheme? How much did it stick out? Does the Micro Sol (or other solutions) help?
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Posted by J-Hulk on Sunday, January 16, 2005 7:27 AM
Coincidentally, I've just started the ol' bleaching-in-the-sun routine on an old, yellowed decal sheet from a 60's vintage Revell "Jet Commando" B-52. I've had it in about five days worth of good sunlight, but I can detect no difference at all so far.
How long are we talking about here before any results become apparent?
~Brian
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Posted by gregbale on Sunday, January 16, 2005 9:32 AM
Hate to be a downer, but both times I've tried "window bleaching" old decals, the sunlight took care of the yellow just fine, but once on the models, they yellowed again within about two months. And that was with Future underneath and on top, plus MM flat as a finish coat.
Maybe my experience was uncharacteristic.
Greg

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 17, 2005 3:10 AM
I never had them yellow after sun bleaching. But then again I use a laquer based sealer instead of future. Perhaps that makes a difference.
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Posted by Tailspinturtle on Monday, January 17, 2005 8:07 AM
I've avoided yellowed decals so far but kept the sun bleach fix in mind for when I eventually have to. After reading that the yellow comes back and lacquer overcoat might keep it from happening, my plan is to spray the bleached decals while still on the sheet with something like Krylon, which is an acrylic (lacquer?) clear coat. That also reduces the tendancy of old decals to crack. After overcoating, you'll have to trim around the decals if you want to minimize the extent of resulting clear film but you might as well do that anyway to minimize the original clear area if the bleaching isn't permanent - you don't have to cut through the paper, just score through the film with a very sharp (read new) blade before dipping it in water and then remove the excess clear edge before you slide off the decal itself. Otherwise, you risk having bits of that edge underneath or on top of the decal when it is in place on the model.
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Posted by jinithith2 on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 1:58 PM
do u have to put it in a ziplock bag and tape it to the window?
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Posted by Tailspinturtle on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 5:47 PM
There was another thread on yellow decals that wisely recommended the ziplock bag to avoid any chance of condensation on the window ruining the decal.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:48 AM
i wouldn't tape it to the window - too risky with regards to condensation especially in a temparate country in the winter. just put it someplace sunny and be patient.

Brian - in the tropics it still took me 3 weeks to get only slightly yellowed decals white again. so i would guess up in osaka in the winter it will take alot longer. patience, just tape it up somewhere where condensation wont be a problem, then go back to check on it now and then.
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Posted by J-Hulk on Thursday, January 20, 2005 9:04 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by reggiethedorf
[Brian - in the tropics it still took me 3 weeks to get only slightly yellowed decals white again. so i would guess up in osaka in the winter it will take alot longer. patience, just tape it up somewhere where condensation wont be a problem, then go back to check on it now and then.


Thanks, Reggie!
Yeah, it's been almost two weeks, and nuthin'!
~Brian
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, January 21, 2005 12:20 AM
Sometimes you have to be veeeeeerrrry patient with them.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 11:08 AM
So Far so Good ....
I have some old F-16 Decals from a Hasegawa kit they had just started to show some yellowing (very minor) & with only 2 Very Sunny Colorado days they have started to bleach back.
Now for the test... some older Hasegawa A-4 decals that have some morerate yellowing (at least in my limited exp Wink [;)]
To get a good consistent pics I have decied to scan them (so not to have problems with lighting & detail of the pics). So for this experiment I plan to do a scan every day or 2 until the start to bleach to document the progress I will post them later if everything works out ;)
Thanks
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:17 PM
Well I am quite happy with the results Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]
After just over 1 day a the yellowing is almost totally gone !
Below are the starting scan (2pm Tue) and the scan I did today (5pm Wed ).
(Start


I think my results may be slightly better then other because of my location in Denver. Higher altitude means more rays get through and we have had some very good sunny days the last 2 days here.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 21, 2005 1:56 PM
Wow!!! I wished I would have known this before .Man!!!!!!! trashed away so many yellow decals .. But the zip lock bags idea is great...! thanks for info. guys. JJ
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Posted by J-Hulk on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 11:57 AM
Wow, Iron Chef! Great results! In only 1 day?!?!?!?!
I tried mine for a sold month, with no change whatsoever.
I guess this Osakan sun just doesn't pack much of a UV whallop!!
~Brian
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 10, 2005 5:34 PM
I am currently bleacing some old revell decals with this method, in a zip lock bag, and it is working very well. I think being in the higher elevations speeds things up, I'm in Albuquerque, NM.

Kyle
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