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Getting Started
Posted by Hong Kong Phooey on Wednesday, November 2, 2011 6:40 AM

Gday,

This probably has been done to death so i do apologise! but I have been wanting for years to learn to airbrush and then use those skills to make models.

I am a bit over-whelmed however by choices for Airbrushes ie Double action - gravity feed  etc etc.

I understand people have there own opinions but would love to be pointed into the right direction.

And finally what other  tools are required for start up?

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • From: Democratic Peoples Republic of Illinois
Posted by Hercmech on Wednesday, November 2, 2011 7:24 AM

Welcome to the forums. For airbrush opinions you will get as many ideas as there are airbrushes. I would go with a double action gravity feed if you are going to be doing 1/35 and smaller that should do you.

Most brands are fine but I am a little biased but I like Badger if for nothing else they have outstanding product support.

As far as other things you need FSM had an issue on that last month I think. Short list...good glue, sprue cutter, tweezers, sanding sticks, and anything else that may ever be remotely useful (just so you have them just in case)Wink


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  • From: Scotland
Posted by Milairjunkie on Wednesday, November 2, 2011 8:36 AM

Ditto

Without doubt a double action, gravity fed brush will most likely be best, I would also advise that you get one from a recognised manufacturer, of which there are plenty to choose from - Iwata, Badger, Harder & Steenbeck, Paasche, Grex................

A few things to consider;

Several manufacturers produce gravity fed dual action brushes that are specifically set up for fine detail only, which can be troublesome in normal modelling, especially when trying to get coverage - the manufacturers web site blurb will indicate if a particular airbrush is a specific detail brush.

Some models are capable of being fitted with additional needle / nozzle sets of differing sizes at a later date, this can be useful once you gain experience & want a single brush that's capable of both very fine detail as well as broad coverage.

If you don't already have one, don't forget to factor in a compressor, which can easily cost as much, or more than an airbrush! Auto on/off piston compressors are pretty much the standard now & if you can get one with a receiver (air tank) all the better.

  • Member since
    November 2009
  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Wednesday, November 2, 2011 9:11 AM

As far as I am concerned, the decision of which air brush is not as critical as which compressor.  The compressor will be more expensive, and likely will affect your painting, and enjoyment of painting, more than which airbrush itself.  Most of the name airbrushes are generally okay.  There are a lot of compressor choices, though.

You can buy cheap portable general purpose compressors but they are generally awfully loud- you may not want them next to you at your modeling bench.  Compressors designed primarily for airbrushes tend to be more  expensive and run from a little over a hundred bucks to nearly a thousand bucks.  Quieter tends to be cheaper.  Good regulators and filters tend to up cost.

I used to advocate a single action brush for starters, as being a bit easier to use.  However, I have changed my mind.  With either a SA or DA brush, you need a couple of hours of practice before using it on a model.  I think the differences in using SA or DA are swamped out with that much practice.  DA are a bit more expensive.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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    July 2010
  • From: Harlan, Kentucky, U.S.A.
Posted by robtmelvin on Wednesday, November 2, 2011 3:24 PM

First, welcome to the forum.  What are you primarily interested in building, ships, armour, planes, etc..  Here is an excerpt from an article I wrote that you might find helpful.

There are a lot of things that we use more or less regularly that you can pick up a lot cheaper at places other than hobby shops.  So, in not particular order, here goes:

 

1. Sanding sticks: get these at beauty supply stores, or even in the women’s beauty section of places like Wal-Mart.  You can get them in various grits from course to fine and they are way cheaper than, say, Squadron’s sanding sticks and are basically the same thing.

 

2. Another nice little trick for applying CA is a length of brass wire used in scratch building.  You want something of sufficient diameter to be able to hold a shape when you bend it and not to flex too much, but small enough to let you get into small areas on your model.  I simply cut off a length of wire, bend it into a comfortable shape for your preference, and dip it in a small pool of CA.  Obviously, this works best with medium or thick CA which will collect in a drop at the tip of the wire.  Again, excess dried CA can just be burned off with a lighter.

 

3. Save your screw off tops on pop bottles or beer bottles.  They make wonderful containers for small amounts of CA.

 

4. Post-it Notes.  These can be used very effectively for paint masking in certain circumstances.  For instance, I usually paint my PE on the fret, and if I have some I don’t want to paint in advance, I simply cover that part of the fret with post-it notes.

 

5. Masking tape:  This is one area I don’t suggest scrimping on.   You can use regular hardware store masking tape, but I’ve had mixed success with it.  This is one product I do buy from my hobby shop – Tamiya Tape.  The stuff just seems to work better for masking than regular painter’s masking tape and comes in various widths.

 

6. Hobby Knives: By all means, get a few X-Acto knives and extra blades.  No. 11 blades seem to be the ones I use most commonly, but you’ll also want some of the larger rounded blades and chisel tip blades to.  Now, here is the trick.  In addition to you X-Acto hobby knives, invest in a couple of scalpel handles and a few different types of scalpel blades.  They are much, much sharper than hobby knife blades and tend to hold their edge better.  I suggest getting a couple of handles for two reasons, one so you don’t have to change handles every time you change blades, and second, larger handles seem to give better control for some jobs than smaller ones.  I get mine from Micro Mark and the brand is Swan & Morton.  These are truly tools that will take you to the next level.

 

7. Airbrush: if you are going to get into modeling seriously you will, sooner or later, need to get an airbrush.  You simply can’t get the results by hand painting that airbrushing will produce, and some things, like fine PE radars, etc., are just about impossible to brush paint.  I have two, an Iwata HP-CS and a Badger 150.  I’m very happy with both and would not really recommend one over the other.  Both are double action, which is what you want.  The Iwata is top feed and the Badger is bottom feed, which allows for the use of larger containers for your paint.  If you are doing larger jobs, like painting hulls, etc., this can be very useful, but not essential.  My advice would be to buy the best airbrush you can afford – it is an investment.

 

8. Compressor: this is one place you can save a bundle.  If you buy a hobby specific compressor be prepared to shell out big bucks.  On the other hand, you can go to Wal-Mart, Sears, etc., and get a perfectly good compressor for a good bit under $100.00.  I actually got mine, a Campbell-Hausfeld, at a flea market for $45.00.  Get one that has an air tank.  This avoids the “pulsing” you can get with compressors that don’t have air storage tanks and also eliminates the need to put a moisture trap in your air line.

 

9. Tweezers: do invest in a good set of tweezers.  I got a set from Mirco Mark that I’ve used for years.  Again, look at these as an investment.

 

10. Primer: if you choose to prime your models, Krylon’s Fusion for plastics is a lot cheaper than hobby shop primers and does just as well. 

 

11. Sand Paper: go to your local auto parts store and get a selection of sand papers in their body work section.  You’ll get everything you need at a fraction of the cost of hobby shop sand paper.  Wet/dry sandpapers are a good idea.

 

12. Filler: while you are at the auto parts store, get a tube of Bondo Glazing and Spot Putty.  Not the two part stuff.  This stuff comes in a tube like toothpaste.  Works great, dries quickly and sands easily.  Much cheaper than, say, Squadron putty.  One thing you might want to invest in is a package of a product called “Apoxy-Sculpt”.  This is a two part epoxy like compound that makes a great filler for larger seams, like deck seams.  Once it is mixed you can roll it into snake or pinch off small bits as needed. 

 

While you are at the auto parts store you might want to pick up a respirator.  I strongly recommend using enamel paints and while you don’t have to have a paint box (I use an old cardboard box) in a well ventilated area, you do want to use a respirator to keep from breathing the solvent fumes.  You’ll find it $15.00 well spent.

 

 

Just launched:  Revell 1/249 U.S.S. Buckley w/ after market PE and guns.

Building: Italieri 1/35 P.T. 596 w/ Lion Roar PE.

  • Member since
    July 2010
  • From: Harlan, Kentucky, U.S.A.
Posted by robtmelvin on Wednesday, November 2, 2011 3:25 PM

First, welcome to the forum.  What are you primarily interested in building, ships, armour, planes, etc..  Here is an excerpt from an article I wrote that you might find helpful.

There are a lot of things that we use more or less regularly that you can pick up a lot cheaper at places other than hobby shops.  So, in not particular order, here goes:

 

1. Sanding sticks: get these at beauty supply stores, or even in the women’s beauty section of places like Wal-Mart.  You can get them in various grits from course to fine and they are way cheaper than, say, Squadron’s sanding sticks and are basically the same thing.

 

2. Another nice little trick for applying CA is a length of brass wire used in scratch building.  You want something of sufficient diameter to be able to hold a shape when you bend it and not to flex too much, but small enough to let you get into small areas on your model.  I simply cut off a length of wire, bend it into a comfortable shape for your preference, and dip it in a small pool of CA.  Obviously, this works best with medium or thick CA which will collect in a drop at the tip of the wire.  Again, excess dried CA can just be burned off with a lighter.

 

3. Save your screw off tops on pop bottles or beer bottles.  They make wonderful containers for small amounts of CA.

 

4. Post-it Notes.  These can be used very effectively for paint masking in certain circumstances.  For instance, I usually paint my PE on the fret, and if I have some I don’t want to paint in advance, I simply cover that part of the fret with post-it notes.

 

5. Masking tape:  This is one area I don’t suggest scrimping on.   You can use regular hardware store masking tape, but I’ve had mixed success with it.  This is one product I do buy from my hobby shop – Tamiya Tape.  The stuff just seems to work better for masking than regular painter’s masking tape and comes in various widths.

 

6. Hobby Knives: By all means, get a few X-Acto knives and extra blades.  No. 11 blades seem to be the ones I use most commonly, but you’ll also want some of the larger rounded blades and chisel tip blades to.  Now, here is the trick.  In addition to you X-Acto hobby knives, invest in a couple of scalpel handles and a few different types of scalpel blades.  They are much, much sharper than hobby knife blades and tend to hold their edge better.  I suggest getting a couple of handles for two reasons, one so you don’t have to change handles every time you change blades, and second, larger handles seem to give better control for some jobs than smaller ones.  I get mine from Micro Mark and the brand is Swan & Morton.  These are truly tools that will take you to the next level.

 

7. Airbrush: if you are going to get into modeling seriously you will, sooner or later, need to get an airbrush.  You simply can’t get the results by hand painting that airbrushing will produce, and some things, like fine PE radars, etc., are just about impossible to brush paint.  I have two, an Iwata HP-CS and a Badger 150.  I’m very happy with both and would not really recommend one over the other.  Both are double action, which is what you want.  The Iwata is top feed and the Badger is bottom feed, which allows for the use of larger containers for your paint.  If you are doing larger jobs, like painting hulls, etc., this can be very useful, but not essential.  My advice would be to buy the best airbrush you can afford – it is an investment.

 

8. Compressor: this is one place you can save a bundle.  If you buy a hobby specific compressor be prepared to shell out big bucks.  On the other hand, you can go to Wal-Mart, Sears, etc., and get a perfectly good compressor for a good bit under $100.00.  I actually got mine, a Campbell-Hausfeld, at a flea market for $45.00.  Get one that has an air tank.  This avoids the “pulsing” you can get with compressors that don’t have air storage tanks and also eliminates the need to put a moisture trap in your air line.

 

9. Tweezers: do invest in a good set of tweezers.  I got a set from Mirco Mark that I’ve used for years.  Again, look at these as an investment.

 

10. Primer: if you choose to prime your models, Krylon’s Fusion for plastics is a lot cheaper than hobby shop primers and does just as well. 

 

11. Sand Paper: go to your local auto parts store and get a selection of sand papers in their body work section.  You’ll get everything you need at a fraction of the cost of hobby shop sand paper.  Wet/dry sandpapers are a good idea.

 

12. Filler: while you are at the auto parts store, get a tube of Bondo Glazing and Spot Putty.  Not the two part stuff.  This stuff comes in a tube like toothpaste.  Works great, dries quickly and sands easily.  Much cheaper than, say, Squadron putty.  One thing you might want to invest in is a package of a product called “Apoxy-Sculpt”.  This is a two part epoxy like compound that makes a great filler for larger seams, like deck seams.  Once it is mixed you can roll it into snake or pinch off small bits as needed. 

 

While you are at the auto parts store you might want to pick up a respirator.  I strongly recommend using enamel paints and while you don’t have to have a paint box (I use an old cardboard box) in a well ventilated area, you do want to use a respirator to keep from breathing the solvent fumes.  You’ll find it $15.00 well spent.

 

 

Just launched:  Revell 1/249 U.S.S. Buckley w/ after market PE and guns.

Building: Italieri 1/35 P.T. 596 w/ Lion Roar PE.

  • Member since
    November 2011
Posted by Hong Kong Phooey on Wednesday, November 2, 2011 7:59 PM

 

Thank you very much everyone!! your feedback so far has been second to none.

What a great forum.

 

All the best

  • Member since
    November 2011
Posted by Hong Kong Phooey on Monday, December 19, 2011 5:23 AM

Hi Again,

After some further research I am looking at the Iwata brand.

There are 2 i am looking at, they are the HP-C+, and the HP-CS(eclipse), has any one, got any experiences or thoughts on which one is best suited for model building.

And finally ,iwata make air compressors, would you recommend them? or have any other brand that stands out?

 

All the best

  • Member since
    November 2011
Posted by Hong Kong Phooey on Monday, December 19, 2011 5:54 AM

Hi Again,

After some further research I am looking at the Iwata brand.

There are 2 i am looking at, they are the HP-C+, and the HP-CS(eclipse), has any one, got any experiences or thoughts on which one is best suited for model building.

And finally ,iwata make air compressors, would you recommend them? or have any other brand that stands out?

 

All the best

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