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Tube or liquid?
Posted by Tankmaster7 on Thursday, November 11, 2004 8:56 PM
I currently use tube glue and am pretty happy with it. I was wondering what you guys use and if it is worth switching to liquid cement?
Thanks, Tankmaster
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, November 11, 2004 9:04 PM
I use liquid cement(Tamiya), stopped using tube glue many years ago when they stopped making my favorite glue.
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Posted by tho9900 on Thursday, November 11, 2004 9:09 PM
I use Ambroids and when that runs out I have a bottle of Tenax and a capillary glue pen waiting on me.... since I started using Ambroids I couldnt go back.. (still use MM liquid cement in the little dispenser with the metal applicator for cockpit areas etc...) but for fuselage, winges and parts with long seams it's only the welding agents for me!

they have the consistency of water, weld the piece together in like 10 seconds (as in stuck together, not waiting to dry and still can move a little bit) and you can do a small portion of seam at a time so you get a better fit when done!

At like 3 dollars for the bottle at Hobby Lobby (Ambroids) it's worth a try! but as far as the liquid cement versus tube ... try the liquid too... it's a lot friendlier...

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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Thursday, November 11, 2004 9:17 PM
I use Tenax7R for all major construction with seams & ModelMaster liquid cement or CA for most everything else. Haven't used tube glue in decades.

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Posted by mastercarp on Thursday, November 11, 2004 9:54 PM
I use CA for most construction but use Testors tube glue when attaching things that I want to really stay in place. I use the Ambroid occasionally.

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Posted by Model Grandpa on Thursday, November 11, 2004 9:54 PM
I'm with Rick...Tenax7R with a little Testors liquid cemet and CA thrown in.
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Posted by Dwight Ta-ala on Thursday, November 11, 2004 10:13 PM
I use both CA in tubes (or even those free academy glue in tube) and Tamiya liquid cement. They are good for specific/particular uses.

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Posted by qmiester on Thursday, November 11, 2004 10:21 PM
I use a liquid glue (a commercial version of IPS Weld-On #3) which I buy by the gallon. I started using liquid glue back in the sixties when it first became available because I felt it gave me better control over application and didn't damage thin surfaces nearly as bad as tube glue.
Having said that, I should point out that I also have and use when required, CA (both thin and gel), white glue (Elmers) and a tube of Walthers Goo.
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Posted by Bossman on Thursday, November 11, 2004 10:37 PM
(This is gonna sound like an advertisment)

I tried Ambroid Pro-Weld liquid once a few years ago - and I've been using it ever since. There have been one or two times (probably just one) where I have thought - it might help to have a slower curing time here, and so I dragged out an old tube.

For joining fuselage halves - liquid is definitely the way to go.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, November 12, 2004 9:54 AM
liquid----->Tenax7R or Ambroid's Pro Weld primarily for anything with seams &........various viscosities of CA for some gap filling and small parts attachment...........& a clear white glue called Weldbond for clear parts.....
......works great and last's a long timeApprove [^]
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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Friday, November 12, 2004 10:01 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by qmiester


Having said that, I should point out that I also have and use when required, CA (both thin and gel), white glue (Elmers) and a tube of Walthers Goo.


Just my curiosity in action, but what application do you find for Walthers Goo ?

Regards, Rick
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Posted by echolmberg on Friday, November 12, 2004 12:30 PM
Tankmaster7,

I use everything from tube glue to superglue and all stops in between. I like tube glue when I need the slow setting time. For example, I like using tube glue for my landing gear. I like the slow setting time because it helps me make sure my struts are properly lined up before it turns into one solid unit. Plus it also helps me fill oh so slight gaps. I like using Tenax too especially when I've got a great join where no filler would be great. For example I love using it on my Tamiya planes. They have such great seams that you really do not need putty. I hold the seams together and then gently brush a small amount into the seam. It bonds quickly and I just need to use the finest of sandpaper/polishing cloths to clean it up.

So just use whatever you like, whenever you like! It's all good. Cool [8D]

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, November 12, 2004 1:03 PM
I use Tenax7R with a Touch-N-Flow applicator for most major construction. I also use a lot of Ambroid's Pro Weld as well, I use a very small paint brush for application with it. Throw away the brush that comes with liquid cements, it is to corse for fine work. I also use super glue for photoetch, resin and white metal parts. Super glue also makes a good gap filler. I don't even own any tube glue.
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Posted by djmodels1999 on Friday, November 12, 2004 1:37 PM
Can't stand tubes! Liquid, liquid, liquid for me!
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, November 12, 2004 2:14 PM
What is tube cement? Wink [;)]
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Posted by Tankmaster7 on Friday, November 12, 2004 6:53 PM
Here comes a whole slieu of questions... How is it different from tube glue? What special techniques have to be used? Do you have to sand off extra glue afterwards?(I hear you get a nice ooze after squeezing) Is it good for extremely small parts? Can you send me a ling=k, or explain application techniques of r liquid cement?
Thanks, Tank.
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Posted by Tankmaster7 on Friday, November 12, 2004 6:54 PM
Liquid seems to be the way to go. (rlkplasticmod, as yopu can see my young guns GB signature, i haven't even been alive for decades!Wink [;)]
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Posted by rebelreenactor on Friday, November 12, 2004 7:17 PM
I tried Tenax 7r once and I coulnd figure it out. So I use Model Master glue in the black bottle. Works great for me. I build armor if that helps.

The liquid glue is well liquid, opposed to the tube glue which is thick and gooey. As a result when using liquid glue you have to hold the pieces together and then apply the glue. But when using tube glue you can dab some glue on one piece and stick it on.

When using the liquid glue you have to use a brush or a "Touch-n-Flow"
For small parts I would highly recommend getting some CA glue or some crazy glue. They are both just forms of super super glue.
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Posted by Tankmaster7 on Friday, November 12, 2004 8:44 PM
Just out of curiosity rebel, what kind of airbrush do you use?
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Posted by rebelreenactor on Friday, November 12, 2004 9:47 PM
I use a Paashce H. Works pretty good.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, November 13, 2004 10:25 PM
there are many differernt types of jobs that call for different tools....
You wouldn't use a Screw driver to tighten a "Philips" head, although I have.....
and you would never use a butter knife as a screw driver, although I HAVE!!!

Point being is... liquid cement and "tube cement" has its different uses....
"use them with care...."
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Posted by grandadjohn on Sunday, November 14, 2004 10:02 AM
I use Testsor's tube and liquid glue and CA glue. Which one depends one what application I need.John
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Posted by jtilley on Sunday, November 21, 2004 11:05 AM
I hope I may be forgiven if this thread launches me on a nostalgia trip. Those with sense enough to be repelled by such things - stop reading now.

Back in the fifties the most commonly available plastic adhesive was Testor's Plastic Cement, which came in a yellow tube. Drug stores and discount stores - the places where kids like me bought most of our models - carried it, and it cost ten cents per tube. For a dollar you could get a small Hawk, Lindberg, Aurora, or Comet aircraft kit, a couple jars of Testor's glossy paint, a tube of glue, and a brush. You had to give your mother and father careful instructions if they went shopping for you. Otherwise they might come home with Testor's Model Cement (yellow tube or white), which was made for balsa wood. Like I said, this is nostalgia time.

Bigger stores sometimes carried Testor's "liquid" cement (a slight misnomer: if the tube stuff wasn't a liquid it wouldn't come out of the tube), which was a watery substance that came in a glass jar with a brush in the cap. It probably was about the same stuff we call "Testor's Liquid Cement" today. And the hobby shops (if you were lucky enough to have one in your neighborhood) sold Revell "Type S Cement." It was similar to the Testor's tube stuff, but a little thinner. For a while some good hobby shops carried a tube cement made by Ambroid, which was my personal favorite.

Among serious modelers the tube cement market started going sour in the late sixties or early seventies, when the glue-sniffing fad started. Testor's and Revell, in response to pressure from angry parents and government officials, started mixing substances like oil of mustard into tube glues, in order to make them less palatable to sniffers. I suspect some potent chemicals were also taken out of the formulas at the same time. At any rate, the safer glues were much thicker and stringier, and dried faster. I was one of the many modelers who quit buying Testor's tube glue at that time. I continued to buy the Ambroid and Revell stuff for a while (it was thinner, and seemed to stick better), but both of them seem to have disappeared from the market some time in the eighties or early nineties.

In my personal opinion tube cement has its place; I wish I could find a source for a good brand of it. In ship modeling, which is my biggest interest, it's often nice to be able to put a tiny drop of adhesive on a part and know the stuff isn't going to go anywhere before the pieces are put together. But for quite a few years now I've been getting along with just the thin liquid stuff. It actually can be made to work in just about every application, I guess, but I do think there are places where tube glue would be preferable.

There's my two cents' worth. Sorry to take up valuable space with an Olde Tymer's reminiscences.

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Posted by Tankmaster7 on Sunday, November 21, 2004 5:01 PM
No problem... It's interesting to hear about modelling experiences that happened before my existence occured. I need to swithc to tenax or ambroid...
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Posted by wooverstone8 on Sunday, November 21, 2004 9:47 PM
I like the Tenax7R it really holds the plastic together very well. I also use Flash super glue and Testor’s liquid cement.
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Posted by Spurdog on Monday, November 22, 2004 7:47 AM
Revell Contacta Professional is my favourite - an excellent all-round cement. Although I've never used it , Tenax 7R seems to get the majority vote here. Must try it.....
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Posted by tho9900 on Monday, November 22, 2004 5:24 PM
jtilley, not sure where you are located but they have the Ambroids tube stuff at Hobby Lobby... if you're stateside give it a try or holler at me and I can mail you a tube to see if it's the same stuff.. heck even if you're overseas as long as shipping isn't too much I would send ya some!
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Posted by jtilley on Monday, November 22, 2004 11:46 PM
tho9900 - Many thanks for the offer! Before I take you up on it, I'll check around the hobby shops that are within driving distance. (I'm in Greenville, NC; have to go quite a ways to reach a real hobby shop. There's one in Wilson, about 30 miles from here.) Haven't made a serious effort to find the stuff in years; I thought Ambroid had quit making it. Thanks for the tipoff.

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Posted by f_baquiran on Monday, November 29, 2004 11:48 AM
I use Tamiya Extra Thin Cement most of the time for non load bearing areas. I love to use it in aircraft models especially those with parts that do not line up like the fuselage. What I do is allign one segment of the fuselage at a time and use the included applicator to apply the thin cement on the segment I'm working on. Capillary action spreads the glue evenly on the seam. i just hold it for a minute or so and then go to the next segment.. It does not leave residue like CA and you have a little more setting time before it hardens but not as long as tube glue.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 9, 2004 1:30 PM
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Tenx-7 & Tester's Liquid best stuff
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