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Digital Camera Advice
Posted by rodc on Friday, July 15, 2005 11:56 AM
I know I am going to open the proverbial can of worms when I ask this question but, here goes......

What is a good digital camera to buy?

I want something versatile with zoom and macro capabilities (for modelling of course) as well as for family photos and scenery stuff. The more I read about these cameras on the net, the more unsure I'm becoming about what to buy.

I did have my mind on a Canon 1S IS as well as a Konica Minolta DiMage Z3 and both are good cameras. Just wondering if anyone through personal experience has anything else they'd like to suggest!

Thanks,

RODC
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 15, 2005 12:33 PM
why two threads on the same topic?
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Posted by wing_nut on Friday, July 15, 2005 3:31 PM
A very good source of info, reviews and side-by-side comparisons is at:

http://reviews.cnet.com/Digital_cameras/2001-6501_7-0.html?tag=cnetfd.dir

Don't get sucked into buying more than you need... as in paying more for megapixels (MP) that you may never use. I know a couple of pro photogs that have not used film in years and never go beyond 3 MP. I paid a pile-o-money for 5MP, set it the highest resolution possible the day I got it and was amazed at how great the photo of my desk was. One and only time I have ever used that setting.

The pic below is taken at maybe 1MP



Sure... higher res would be a better pic... but to post here or even to print snaps? not worth the increase in file size. This file is about 100kb. At the highest res on my camera the file woul dbe about 2.5 megs. Not long before drives get full at that size.

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Posted by Aviator on Friday, July 15, 2005 7:22 PM
Yeah, I've seen a chart showing approximately how many pictures you can take with cards of different capacities. The highest Mp was 11! And with a 2Gb card, you could only take approx. 64 pics (I think). The camera I want has 5Mp. That should be enough for what I need.
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Posted by Torio on Friday, July 15, 2005 10:10 PM
I own a Nikon Coolpix 8700 and a 8800. I bought the 8700 before as I owned Nikon before ( F3 and F3 titanium) that I had sold when I stopped taking photographs, so I loved the brand. I am not fond of the 8700 so I bought the 8800 that I find much better. It has a lot of qualities even if it is not perfect ( I don't know if a perfect bridge camera exists ). On a more reasonable budget, a friend of mine is planning to buy a Panasonic FZ 5 ( FZ 20 seems better but is huger ). If you go through SLR cameras, Canon EOS 300 D and Nikon D 70 seem very complete. If money is not a problem , I suggest you buy two Nikon D 2 and you send me one ( hmm, sorry...)

Thank you all for coming José

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 15, 2005 10:59 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Torio

I own a Nikon Coolpix 8700 and a 8800. I bought the 8700 before as I owned Nikon before ( F3 and F3 titanium) that I had sold when I stopped taking photographs, so I loved the brand. I am not fond of the 8700 so I bought the 8800 that I find much better. It has a lot of qualities even if it is not perfect ( I don't know if a perfect bridge camera exists ). On a more reasonable budget, a friend of mine is planning to buy a Panasonic FZ 5 ( FZ 20 seems better but is huger ). If you go through SLR cameras, Canon EOS 300 D and Nikon D 70 seem very complete. If money is not a problem , I suggest you buy two Nikon D 2 and you send me one ( hmm, sorry...)


If he goes the D2 route, I think he'll need threeWink [;)] just so you and I can compare and ensure his third one is ok
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Posted by rodc on Saturday, July 16, 2005 7:45 PM
LOL.....Nice try guys.....wish I could afford the higher-end stuff like the D70 though......swweeeetttttt

Looks like I'm beginning to lean more towards Canon....either a S1IS or S2IS or even a A520....all are very nice and I am somewhat familiar with Canon since I already own an AF SLR which was quite a nice camera in her day.

Thanks for the input......just hope I make the right choice....

RODD
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Posted by jtilley on Sunday, July 17, 2005 11:59 AM
I've been shopping for a digital camera for some time now, and I've been following the published literature pretty closely. (I'm right on the verge of buying one - a Pentax *Ist-DS.) For folks who are primarily interested in taking good, clear pictures - including closeups - of models, though, I'd like to throw out an alternative suggestion.

This is, in a lot of ways, a lousy time to buy a digital camera. The technology is evolving incredibly fast, the prices are dropping, and the industry is in the process of settling on some important standards. (There are, for example, two different image stabilization systems in use at the moment. One puts the stabilizing electronics in the camera body; the other puts them in the lens. I suspect one of those systems will fall by the wayside during the next couple of years - but which one?) The temptation to jump on the bandwagon and buy something is hard to resist; this is exciting, fascinating stuff. But there is an alternative - one that doesn't cost as much.

This is a great time to buy a film camera. The big manufacturers (Nikon, Canon, Pentax, and Konica Minolta) all make superb single-lens reflex cameras that are easy to use, offer lots of levels of automation, produce superb images - and cost about a third as much as their digital equivalents. The dealers often offer bargains on new film cameras, and experienced photographers are lining up to trade in excellent, well-maintained film SLRs on digital ones. And (though lots of people don't seem aware of it) there's a hybrid technology out there that, for extremely reasonable prices, gives a film image virtually all the practical attributes of a digital one.

The street price of a Konica Minolta Maxxum 50 film SLR is currently about $89.95. That camera has auto-focus, an automatic timer, a built-in ttl flash, a built-in exposure meter, and a series of "picture modes" that give the photographer as much, or as little, control as he or she wants in setting the exposure. Add about $100 (maybe less - especially if there's a used camera dealer in your neighborhood) for a moderate-wide-angle-to-moderate-telephoto zoom lens (say, 28-80 mm). Buy a set of three closeup filters (about $50). You now have a rig that's perfectly capable of taking model photos that are just as good as those from a $1,000 digital SLR.

The trick is to (a) use the right film, and (b) take the exposed film to a processor who makes "photo CDs." In my community - the teeming metropolis of Greenville, North Carolina - there are at least ten drugstores (in the Eckerd, Walgreens, and CVS chains) that have the equipment to do that; so does the local Sam's Club. To turn a 24-exposure roll of film into a CD takes an hour, and costs about $6.00. The local specialist photo store charges the same price; the folks there take a little longer, but always do a beautiful job. (The drugstores occasionally get crud on the negatives.)

With that CD you can do virtually anything that can be done with a digital image - including e-mailing it and posting it on a website. I have Adobe Photoshop Elements (a software program that I highly recommend; I paid about $50 for it at Sam's). With that program I can tweak colors, fix glitches (it's great for removing dust from models), crop, clone, burn, dodge, and do all sorts of other things - everything the program can do to a digital image.

Another key element in the process is the printer. I have a Canon i960 that I bought about a year ago, for $130. The prints it produces (on Canon Photo Paper Pro or Ilford Galerie Smooth Gloss paper) are, to my eye, indistinguishable from those made by the local specialty camera store - which does excellent work.

To amass the total arsenal described above - camera, lens, closeup filters, software, and printer - from scratch would cost about $420. That amount of money will buy a good digital camera - but not a really sophisticated one suitable for model photography. (The cheapest digital SLR on the market costs about $800. That's just for the camera.)

One other point: a film SLR weighs about 1/2 to 2/3 what a digital SLR weighs. (Not relevant to model photography, but significant if you're carrying the camera around your neck on a hike.)

Here are some model pictures I've taken using the "hybrid" system:

http://gallery.drydockmodels.com/album194

http://gallery.drydockmodels.com/album195

http://gallery.drydockmodels.com/album207

The camera was a Pentax ZX-30 with a 28-80mm zoom lens, fitted (for the closeup shots) with stacking closeup filters. The film was Fuji Reala (ISO 100) - a superb film for model photography. The images were digitized onto CD by my good friends at the local camera store, and tweaked a little with Photoshop Elements 2 (Version 3 is now available). I'm pretty happy with the results.

I have no argument with people who "go digital"; I'm going to do it myself within the next week or two. But those who have trouble raising the money for a digital SLR can get along mighty well with film. The medium isn't dead yet.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 18, 2005 12:10 AM
unless you go the DSLR route Is in the lens won't be an issue! never has there been a better time to buy! prices are lower than ever. The Canon S1s is a great camera, I had a chance to play with one I bought for a friend. Took excellent shots, very good AF and exposure control
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Posted by rodc on Thursday, July 21, 2005 8:04 PM
Thanks guys for the info.....I really appreciate it.

I have to say Jtilley, your "old-style" photos are amazing.

I think I have finally decided but I have to choose between the S1IS or the S2IS....the only significant difference is the 2MP difference and the $200 price tag.

The S2IS appeals to me a little more since I do a lot of work with graphical images and it would be nice to have a big MP camera that I could print LARGE prints from. I have an HP800C large format color printer at work that will permit me to print up to 42" wide on several types of media. It is for this reason that the higher MP camera is a little more appealing except for the $699 price tag (that's $CDN).

Once again thanks for the input......

RODC
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 21, 2005 10:05 PM
rodc, either of those will serve you well,
For those of you that print your own pics, I wrote an article on my site for modding a printer to use bulk ink, works out a hell of a lot cheaper than taking them to CVS or wherever.you can use the contact now button on my site if you want details on where to get the stuff, I won't post them here.
http://pclincs.com/CMS/content/view/25/44/
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Posted by jtilley on Thursday, July 21, 2005 10:25 PM
In an earlier post I said "this is, in a lot of ways, a lousy time to buy a digital camera." Vapochilled says "never has there been a better time to buy." Actually those two statements don't contradict each other. I agree completely with Vapochilled: now is a better time to buy a digital camera than last year - or even six months ago. But I'll bet any amount of money that next year will be an even better time to go digital.

The price of a good-quality digital SLR seems to be dropping by about a hundred dollars a year. The downward trend has to stop somewhere, but I don't think the prices are going to level off for another year or two.

Three days ago I personally took the plunge: I bought a Pentax *ist DS digital SLR. From what I can tell so far it's a terrific camera - for taking pictures of models and practically any other subject on the planet. It has 6.1 megapixels and a huge variety of optional settings, letting the owner choose from several "point and shoot" modes or take control of everything from the ISO setting to the capture mode (three JPEG qualities plus RAW) to the exposure settings. I paid about $900 for it (including an 18-55mm zoom lens).

This camera hit the stores about six months ago. By way of comparison, its immediate predecessor, the Pentax *ist D, had a few features the DS doesn't have, but also lacked some the newer model does have. (The D supported remote wireless TTL flash; the DS is Pictbridge compatible.) The DS is noticeably lighter and smaller than the D. According to the magazines, the image quality of the two is virtually identical (a tiny bit sharper in the D, considerably less noise at higher ISO settings on the DS.) The *ist D cost about $400 more than the *ist DS.

About four years ago my brother (who's a zoologist, and spends lots of time taking pictures of salamanders in places where I have no desire to go) bought a Nikon 6-megapixel digital SLR that, at that time, represented the state of the art. It has a metal body and is sturdier than mine. (Brother has been known to drop his cameras off cliffs and dunk them in the Amazon.) He paid about $5,000 for it. It doesn't have as many features as mine does, and the pictures it takes aren't any better.

A recent cartoon in The New Yorker showed a guy getting ready to buy a digital camera in a camera store. The clerk was explaining all the features of it. "And this red light flashes to tell you when the camera's obsolete."

I suspect next year's replacement for my camera will be considerably more sophisticated (though I can't see how they can make it much smaller) and at least $100 cheaper. Sometime or other one has to make the decision. I'm not prepared to assert that the time when I did it (July 18, 2005) was the best time. I just know I couldn't resist.

rodc- Many thanks for the comment on my old fashioned pictures. I suppose we'll live to see the day when my Pentax film SLR will literally be a museum piece. But the truth is that a 35 mm negative or slide has the capability to deliver a picture of higher resolution than a digital image of at least 12 megapixels. (According to some expert estimates that I've read, it would take at least 20 megapixels to equal the resolution of a Fuji Velvia slide made by a good photographer with a Leica lens.) That's why a fair number of magazines - including FSM, if I'm not mistaken - still accept (and even prefer) film pictures. Film may be on the way out, but it's not dead yet.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 21, 2005 10:54 PM
film won't ever die, at 20M/pixels the noise with current technology would be horrible.
I agree that next year will be a better time financialy and tech wise, but you have to make the plinge at some point and just say "sod it" I almost always grab the Nikon 5700 now from the bag, the SLR just see's no use any more.
I think Kodak do a digi back for the Mamiya that's 11meg, beast of a thing, yet take a shot at night, and my $80 point and shoot Canon produces a better picture.
20 meg seems conservative, I use a Nikon neg/slide scanner that runs 32meg full resolution on a slide, monsterous files but the quality is still miles better than any digi cam at the moment.
BTW, good call on the velvia, tis the greatest thing to happen to photographer since it's invention!
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Posted by rodc on Friday, July 22, 2005 9:38 AM
AAAARRRGGGGGHHHHHH......why can't anything with digital cameras be simple.....LOL.

We should be able to type in the best digital camera that money can buy for $600 and actually get one hit from google.

There are so many to choose from and each with their own quirks and perks.

I tend to agree with vapochilled and Jtilley about print quality from 35mm SLR cameras. It is funny that vapochilled mentioned Mamiya....I read a review about the 12MP camera in a magazine the other evening and although the reviewer never had a firm price committment from Mamiya, but he anticipated a $12,500US cost. Boy-o-boy, you could buy some dandy SLR and lenses with that money.

Once again guys I appreciate the input.......eventhough I'm still as indecisive as at the start of my quest...LOL

ROD
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 22, 2005 10:07 AM
$600 will get you a very good digi cam, pick a make you know or like and just jump in! the waters loverly,lol
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Posted by wing_nut on Friday, July 22, 2005 2:04 PM
As far as the question of is it or is it not the right time to buy… I will tell you the same advice that was given to me when I bought my first PC, and digital camera change as fast as PC’s do these days. The advise was simple, “Decide how much you can spend and get the most value for those $’s NOW. If you wait for the price to come down you will always be waiting and you never buy anything!” As soon as you buy a computer or high tech electronic item there is an improvement in technology that drives the price down. So if you wait ‘til tomorrow to get the better price… how any tomorrows before you buy?

Marc  

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Posted by DURR on Saturday, August 6, 2005 12:54 PM
unless you want to do fancy things and have zoom thatwill let you take aphoto of a fly at 1000yds go with something in the 90-150 usd range
they have betwwen 3 and 4 mega pixels zoom from 3-10 range
if all you want is an occasional model shot and mostly family-friends pictures it will be fine
if you want to advance later do it later when the good stuff comes down in price
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Posted by Thehannaman2 on Sunday, August 7, 2005 1:35 PM
Canon A75 or whatever the equivilant is today. I bought mine for under 250 US about a year ago and have been VERY happy with it. Very versatile and easy to operate. Great for modeling.

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Posted by Aviator on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 9:16 PM
I just got my S2 IS last week, and I really like it. one of my favorite things about it is the super macro. You can get down to 0 cm/in and still be in focus. It's great!Thumbs Up [tup]Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by Glamdring on Thursday, August 11, 2005 7:10 PM
I just bought a Nikon Coolpix 7600 last week and I believe it is the best bargain for what I paid, especially since I got it on sale from Best Buy online site. Couple it with a 512 mb card and I am good to go for any situation.

In a previous post it was stated that one shouldn't get a digital camera now, becuase the technology is evolving so why get one now because in a year an even better camera would be out. I agree with that statement, but by that logic, one should never buy anything because a better cheaper one will be released in the future. I suggest buying one now, then in a couple years you can upgrade to one of those (what will be) extremely cheap cameras.

Robert 

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