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Need magnification suggestions...
Posted by uproar on Friday, November 18, 2005 11:17 PM

Greetings...

About to undertake the infamous Aber photoetch "superset" for my Tamiya Early Production Tiger I.  Unfortunately, my 45 year old eyes are just really having trouble dealing with some of the incredibly tiny hinges, hasps, and other insanely small items....does anyone have any good suggestions for a really fantastic magnification device that could make my life easier?  I see a few rather intriguing tools for the purpose on Micro-Mark.  I really don't relish the thought of losing any parts or inadvertantly soldering my finger to a side skirt.  Help!

Thanks...

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Posted by Bgrigg on Saturday, November 19, 2005 12:52 AM
I bought a magnifying lamp, the kind with the circular fluorescent tube that goes around the magnifyer. Helped my 46 year old eyes!

So long folks!

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Posted by MusicCity on Saturday, November 19, 2005 7:02 AM
Personally I like magnifying lamps as well. I have two of them on my bench, a cheap incandescent one that cost around $20 and a more expensive fluorescent one that cost around $50. I actually prefer the cheap $20 one for some reason and seldom use the other one. I don't think the magnification is quite as high as an OptiVisor but I don't have to wear anything to use it and putting a bit more light on the subject is usually a good thingSmile [:)]
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Posted by hud on Saturday, November 19, 2005 7:38 AM

Uproar,

Along with model building I also build flyrods and tie flies for fishing. I use a small visor mounted mag lens that clips onto the bill of a cap. There are several companys that make these things and I don't remember what brand mine is. You can find them at about any quality flyfishing shop or your can order them online thru Cabela's, they offer three different ones, from about $10-25.  They're real small, about 2" long,1" wide and they fold up underneath the brim of the cap when you don't want to use it. Beats the dickens out of a magnifing lamp. I'm surprised that hobbyshops don't stock these things, maybe they don't know they exist. Try one I think you'll like it. Only stipulation is you have to wear some sort of head gear and if you forget to take it off and have to run to the store for something you may get a few funny looks from people :)

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, November 19, 2005 9:55 AM
 uproar wrote:

Greetings...

About to undertake the infamous Aber photoetch "superset" for my Tamiya Early Production Tiger I.  Unfortunately, my 45 year old eyes are just really having trouble dealing with some of the incredibly tiny hinges, hasps, and other insanely small items....does anyone have any good suggestions for a really fantastic magnification device that could make my life easier?  I see a few rather intriguing tools for the purpose on Micro-Mark.  I really don't relish the thought of losing any parts or inadvertantly soldering my finger to a side skirt.  Help!

Thanks...

Looks like this is becoming a thread for the 45+ people Smile [:)].

I had the same problem regarding dealing whith the smaller stuff.

I got the Tamiya Workstand with the magnifying lens, as a weddinggift, from my wife. It's prety handy and the light is provided by LED's. Only thing is, it isn't cheap (at least overhere) and there was no powersupply in the kit included. I had a universal 12V powersupply at hand and it works well for me now.

I tried the "normal"magnifying lamp before, but I didn't like the wide edge of the lamp, surrounding the mag lens.

Cheers,

Luc

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Posted by jridge on Saturday, November 19, 2005 12:09 PM

I use the highest power reading glasses I can find - 3.25 magnification power I think?  I buy the 1/2 lense type so I can wear them in front of my normal glasses.

I also have an incandecnet bulb magnifying lamp .  I don't like it - hard to see, clumsy to position and the bulb is hot.  I use if for a work light.

 

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Posted by tho9900 on Saturday, November 19, 2005 7:32 PM
I have the magnifying lamp as well, mostly it has become a light source for me.  I found a nice magnifying visor at hobby lobby and that handles all my needs, it came with both a 2.5x and 3.5x lens that I change out if I am painting small parts vs. dealing with PE...   It was in the cross stitching section...
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Posted by uproar on Saturday, November 19, 2005 10:49 PM

Thanks for the advice, everyone--I have a pair of "Mageyes"--essentially similar to an Optivisor, but much more lightweight and simpler, doesn't look like a welding mask--but it just isn't enough.  So I bought a variety of things today--a small magnifying lamp with a circular neon (?) bulb around the lens, small enough to actually bring down close to what I'm working on, and a rather neat battery powered lighted magnifier I ordered from Micro-Mark (on its way): 

 http://www.ares-server.com/Ares/Ares.asp?MerchantID=RET01229&Action=Catalog&Type=Product&ID=81838

I'm hoping that between these things, and the set of Helping Hands, that I might actually be able to function.  Maybe I should just break down and get bifocals...I've already managed to lose two tiny little hinge components into godknowswhereland. 

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Posted by tho9900 on Sunday, November 20, 2005 7:29 AM
cool!  I like that visor, if I bust the one I have up maybe I'll look into that one!!
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 5, 2005 11:17 AM

Hi all

uproar I`m having the same problem, i`m 43 & the eye sight is not as good as it was 25 years ago when i packed up modeling armor.

I use a lamp with a day light bulb in it & i also use one of these  BINOCULAR MAGNIFIER, i got mine from http://www.micromark.com under vision they have got diffrent types have a look. Alan

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Posted by mustang10 on Tuesday, December 6, 2005 4:02 PM
My 44 yearold eyes use an optivisor, I really like it. I've only been using it a couple of weeks now, but its helped alot.
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Posted by uproar on Tuesday, December 6, 2005 7:57 PM

I bought the lighted binocular magnifier from Micro-Mark:

http://www.ares-server.com/Ares/Ares.asp?MerchantID=RET01229&Action=Catalog&Type=Product&ID=81838

It worked great for about two days, then both lights went out.  The batteries are fine, so I think the bulbs burned out.  It still gives pretty decent magnification, without the lights, but I am getting replacement bulbs.  I think I will test the wiring first, though.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 30, 2005 7:49 AM
I got the same magnifier at the local Harbor Freight Store for $5.99.
I never use the lights, though.

Item number 38896-5VGA at www.harborfreight.com
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Posted by jtilley on Friday, December 30, 2005 9:17 AM

My primary interest is sailing ship models, and I was lucky enough to be born with a priceless asset for that sort of work:  nearsightedness.  Without my glasses I have trouble recognizing my wife from across a room, but until recently I was able to do all my modeling work without magnification.  (At the maritime museum where I used to work, people teased me a little because I took my glasses off whenever I got near a model.)  I just turned 55, though, and during the past few years I've been finding it difficult (without glasses) to focus both eyes at the same, relatively close distance.  I have two pairs of glasses - bifocal and single-vision.  I ordinarily use the bifocals, but I find them clumsy for model building.

I've never been able to get along with magnifying visors, for two reasons.  First, they destroy my depth perception.  That's especially problematic in detail painting.  With an Optivisor my eyes tell me the brush is considerably farther away from the part I'm painting than it actually is.  (I had an interesting conversation about this once with a professional ship modeler at Mystic Seaport Maritime Museum.  I noticed he was using an optivisor, and asked him how he managed without losing his depth perception.  He laughed and explained that he'd been born blind in one eye.  So he was accustomed to judging distances without binocular vision.)

My other problem with visors is that my eyes, like those of most human beings, are different from each other.  Since both lenses in a visor have the same amount of correction, the best they can do is to let me focus one eye on the model.  I guess I could wear the single-vision glasses under the visor, but that gets awkward.

The best solution I've found is a simple and reasonably cheap one.  At the Woodcraft woodworking supply company I found, for $15.50, a pair of magnifying lenses that are made like flip-up sunglasses.  They clip onto my single-vision glasses, and flip up out of the way when I don't need them.  The first time I used them on a model project I was hooked.  The single-vision glasses let both eyes focus at the same distance, and the magnifiers magnify the entire field of view (rather than just the bottom, like bifocals do).

Here's the link:  http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?familyid=4511

By the way, if you click on that link you'll find it worthwhile to browse around the Woodcraft site.  The company sells all sorts of stuff that's useful for model building.

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 30, 2005 9:34 AM
I like the visor kind myself. Just wanted to put my two cents worth in. They keep me from having to adjust and readjust a free-stanging or suspended magnifyer. The visors also come with a range of optics along with lights on it so you can see what you're doing while you're seeing what you're doing. Confused [%-)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, December 31, 2005 11:51 PM
For little precise work i use a pair of tweezers that have a built in magnifying glass, it great becasue no matter where you move the tweezers the magniflyer goes with it.Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by jtilley on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 2:57 PM
I'm "replying" to get this thread moved to the top of p.1.  The topic has come up again in a recent post.

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Posted by Triarius on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 12:26 AM
I've uses Optivisors for years, at different magnifications, and I don't have the depth perception problems others my age occasionally report.

I hate the light magnifiers—always in the way!

Two suggestions:

If you already wear glasses, get a pair, or modify a pair, so that you can look over the top of them. When I'm working, I have six options: bifocals, "normal" vision, normal vision through optivisor, nearsighted vision, bifocal through optivisor, and nearsighted vision through optivisor—all available with minimal movement. Fortunately, as a mildly ambiopic microscopist, there is almost no visual environment to which I cannot adapt! <evil laugh>

Second, shop around—these visual aids are pricey. If you have nearby friends who will let you try various systems out, do it. Find what works for you.

Oops, got a third: the older your eyes get, the more light you need. This is especially true when using magnification, as light is always lost when you use a magnifying device. Personally, I prefer global illumination over spot illumination—less glare, and shadows fall where they should.

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Posted by usmc1371 on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 11:38 PM

Just wanna make you old guys jealous...

I'm 33 and have 20/15 vision. Yup, I can read the second to the bottom line on an eye exam chart.  I do need magnification at times though.  I use a pair of 3.5x reading glasses.  I really like them since I still get depth perception through them.

See what I mean? (bad pun)

Jesse

If you can read this, you don't need magnifcation.

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Posted by Triarius on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:51 PM
Thirty-three??? I think I remember being thirty-three…back in the Triassic, I think it was…

Not to worry, young feller, age is creaping up on you, too. Before you know it, your arms will be a foot too short to read a magazine. Evil [}:)]  BUUAAAHAHAHAHA!

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Posted by jcfay on Thursday, January 19, 2006 9:10 AM
Darn, I'm 35 and I think I have 20/300 vision or something like that!  But, my near vision is fine so far (I'm sure that's gonna change too...).  I'm thinking (to get back in line with this thread) of purchasing the clip-on magnifyers.  I have a magnifying lamp but it is a bit of a pain to use - got to move it into place, then keep it very still, etc.  The clip-ons sound nice and easy.  Wink [;)]
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Posted by matthew9 on Thursday, January 19, 2006 9:19 PM
I'm another 45yr old who uses a magnifying lamp. The joy of the forty's!Sigh [sigh]
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 9:34 AM
I find strong, cheap reading glasses (any book store, even super markets) work for my 40 y/o eyes and I have terrible nearsightedness. That combined with a 75 w desklamp.
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Posted by jhande on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 3:32 AM
A lot of nice tips in this thread, but I have to wake it up again. 

The more I sit trying to work on my kits, the more I realize the eyes ain't what they used to be at 46. I have the same perscription of glasses that I had in high school for reading road signs while driving. But now my focus is slowing down and my arms are getting too short for fine detail work.

I can do most of my work without any visual aids. Until I start getting into some really small stuff. So I picked up a pair of reading glasses from the department store. They're not strong, because the stronger ones started hurting my eyes and causing a headache. So those glasses work for most of the small stuff on the worktable. But now I need extra magnification for the occasional things such as - painting dashboards, door hands, window cranks, drilling distributors for wiring (1:25 scale), etc...

I've tried on those magnifying visors, no good, they mess up my depth perception. So I was looking into what my uncle uses for his fly tying, a benchtop lighted magnifier. But I need a bit of help with this...

I've found some 3-diopter 5" lens ones locally, but was wondering if getting a 5-diopter would be more benifical? I was even looking at ones that have a 7 1/2" x 6 1/4" lens instead of just a 5" round lens. Has anyone had any experience with any of these magnifiers?

Not that I'm getting them from here, but to give you an idea of similar to what I was looking at - Optical Magnifiers.

Magnifier Light 3000 (either 3 or 5 diopter) [rectangle]
- or -
Magnifier Light 1000 (either 3 or 5 diopter) [round]

Or would a 5-diopter put the work (focal length = 8") to close to the lens?



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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, February 24, 2006 6:07 PM
Most responders are wildly overcomplicating the problem.  Go to the drugstore, or even the hardware store, and get a pair of cheap ($5 - $15) reading glasses.  Pick out the diopter-power pair that you like best and they'll do everything need.

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Posted by jtilley on Friday, February 24, 2006 10:32 PM

The drugstore-variety reading glasses will solve the problem IF both your eyes are identical, or nearly so.  (Come to think of it, they'll also solve the problem if you wear contact lenses.)  My left eye has always been more near-sighted than my right, and as I've gotten older the discrepancy has gotten bigger.  The best a pair of reading glasses can to for me is to get one eye in focus.  As I understand it, most people of my age group (55) have about the same problem.

That's why I like the "flip-up" magnifiers that I mentioned earlier in this thread.  They are, in essence, reading glasses that work in conjunction with regular prescription glasses (like mine).  And they cost about the same as reading glasses. 

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Posted by samreichart on Sunday, February 26, 2006 9:03 PM
 jtilley wrote:

The drugstore-variety reading glasses will solve the problem IF both your eyes are identical, or nearly so.  (Come to think of it, they'll also solve the problem if you wear contact lenses.)  My left eye has always been more near-sighted than my right, and as I've gotten older the discrepancy has gotten bigger.  The best a pair of reading glasses can to for me is to get one eye in focus.  As I understand it, most people of my age group (55) have about the same problem.

That's why I like the "flip-up" magnifiers that I mentioned earlier in this thread.  They are, in essence, reading glasses that work in conjunction with regular prescription glasses (like mine).  And they cost about the same as reading glasses. 

jtilley-Do you think these would work over a pair of gradient bifocals? 

You said "regular prescription"; I'm slightly astigmatic on top of it... my doctor told my that this saved me from needing bifocals until I was nearly 48...but I'm having problems with close up work even with bifocals....

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Posted by jtilley on Sunday, February 26, 2006 10:09 PM

samreichart - sounds like you and I have just about the same problem.  I had the optometrist fix me up with two pairs of glasses - a "single-distance" pair for driving and other situations when I'm more worried about distance vision, and a pair of "no-line" bifocals.  With the single-distance glasses I have big problems shifting focus between distant and close objects.  (If I'm teaching a class I can't focus on the people in the back of the room and read the lettering in my gradebook on the table in front of me.)  The bifocals took some getting used to, but I wear them most of the time nowadays.

The "flip-up" magnifiers, from what I can tell (not having the vocabulary of an optometrist) simply have the effect of shortening the focal length of whatever lenses are behind them.  For me, they work best with my single-vision glasses; they keep the whole field of view in focus.  They work with the bifocals all right - but what they produce is, in effect, a pair of bifocals with shorter focal lengths.

The good news is that these "flip-up" gadgets don't cost much.  And they have the additional virtue of protecting your primary glasses somewhat from splashes, scratches, etc. in the workshop.  I recommend giving them a try.

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Posted by MikeV on Sunday, March 12, 2006 2:54 AM
My vision is still perfect but I find it much easier to use reading glasses when doing things like painting instruments, etc.
I buy the ones at Harbor Freight Tools and they are excellent for $2.99

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