Will books go the way of VHS???

The intersting & fascinating thing is what does the future hold.

Will the time come where the brain can read it's own story.  Where you need neither audio or visuals to read by.

Some time ahead obviously but according to the "experts" human brains are developing over time.

How many time have you found your partner thinking similar thoughts at the same time & yet there is no reason which would put you on that same course. If the brain works by electrical impulse then suppose it can be plugged into.

All Bizarre. Or is it

If you look backwards it tells a story which is as bizarre. While my young school mates & I were given at school in our first year mini blackboards & chalk to write with & sand trays to make pictures with the finger at  Bletchley Park in England  the first computers the size of houses  were taking hours to try & break  coded German Military  messages.

70 years later not many do not have access not only to a computer many times faster & vastly more powerful but a host of other pieces of equipment to access. So what will the next 70 years bring ? All of which could not even be dreamed of at that time in the forties.

Laurie

Books vanishing?,,,,   In time perhaps, Doubtful in the near future however.

In any case, can you slam your lap top down on a bug to kill it?

I still say, because of schools, books will never go away.  Kids will never treat digital devices nicley and they will break or be stolen, thats why they keep the graphing calculators locked up.

Also, on a smaller note, things like coloring books, work books, kids books, will keep books in circulation.  Are you going to give your 1 year old a kindle so they can have picture books?

telsono

...I even have a copy of the Monogram Close-up number 12 "Horten 229" on it. That was something I was surprised to find for it and especially for $3.29.

Mike T.

OK, there is certainly that advantage that digital files have. I found a PDF version of this same book as well from a, umm, "gray market source ". So while I couldn't track down a hardcopy of it easily I was able to find the digital version after a half hour of searching.

Laurie

Quote  "The analogy isn't a sound one.

VHS is an analog storage medium that is both easily susceptible to damage and degrades over time. Digital video delivers significantly better quality and the files themselves can essentially last forever. "

Slight misunderstanding here just to be pedantic & correct.

There is such a thing as analogue drawings.

As a qualified video cameraman, editor & producer of commercial films the storage of media is of major interest to me. Both VHS or SVHS  together with DVD are prone to failure as I have found to my detriment.  For instance & the most obvious place a scratch through a computer produced DVD & it is no more. There are many more down sides. Whilst cut a tape & it is only that small part which is lost but store in variable heat & it is a goner. So both are very vunerable.   DVDs last for ever mmmmm. there have already been many failures.

Laurie

Never claimed DVDs last forever. They don't degrade just by watching them the way VHS did, and you can copy DVD to DVD with zero loss of quality, since it's all digital bits, but yes, scratches and other environmental stuff can ruin them as storage media.

But I meant digital video, as in the raw digital file, which can be stored on a DVD, hard drive, solid state drive, Blu-ray, on a remote server accessible via the cloud, and backed up infinitely. Assuming proper backup precautions are taken, a digital video file is more or less indestructible, since it can just be shifted from storage medium to storage medium.

Think of it this way. A lot of old films are having to go through elaborate remastering processes as they release on DVD and now on Blu-ray because the actual film stock has degraded over time. 

Toy Story or Avatar or Tron: Legacy will never have to go through such a restoration process, because the digital file will not degrade over time. 

Now...it could be lost entirely if the file were deleted or not backed up, but I have to imagine properties with so much value have all kinds of backups and redundancies in place.

Quote  "The analogy isn't a sound one.

VHS is an analog storage medium that is both easily susceptible to damage and degrades over time. Digital video delivers significantly better quality and the files themselves can essentially last forever. "

Slight misunderstanding here just to be pedantic & correct.

There is such a thing as analogue drawings.

As a qualified video cameraman, editor & producer of commercial films the storage of media is of major interest to me. Both VHS or SVHS  together with DVD are prone to failure as I have found to my detriment.  For instance & the most obvious place a scratch through a computer produced DVD & it is no more. There are many more down sides. Whilst cut a tape & it is only that small part which is lost but store in variable heat & it is a goner. So both are very vunerable.   DVDs last for ever mmmmm. there have already been many failures.

Laurie

As a parent of a child in private school, text books are getting out of hand in expense. I paid $400 for his last semester (High school block system). They have programs out there that can take a pdf version of a textbook, allow a student to create outlines from the text, and even read it to them in a very human voice. and they cost under $200! Kurzweil 3000 (with a group sale).

I have a Kindle and I love it, I am able to go and read the classics and anythng else I want. I even have a copy of the Monogram Close-up number 12 "Horten 229" on it. That was something I was surprised to find for it and especially for $3.29.

Mike T.

You have any idea how fragile these things are?  If a page is missing from a text book the teacher photocopies it and gives it to the student.

If a kid drops the laptop and cracks the hard drive, guess how much THAT is going to cost.  I guaran-damn-tee  you that its not going to cost the 15c of a copy

yes.

No...

DoogsATX

Oh, I agree that durability is the biggest issue...replacing textbooks with iPads right now is faintly ludicrous. 

But twenty years ago, dumping the landline and relying only on your cell phone seemed ludicrous, too.

Tablets and whatnot will get more durable and/or less expensive over time.

More durable - let's hope so, because I think the very fact that kids grow up with these devices all around makes them not as careful with how they are handled. Several of my daughter's friends have iPhones or Blackberries that have been BEAT TO PIECES because they just don't respect what they are using.

Didn't Dr. McCoy say that Kirk was allergic to some eye drug--retinax, or something?  Real glasses for real books.

And he needed real glasses to read it. Hmmm, I wonder if these magical reading devices could potentially alter their frequencies or screen settings to allow me to read with no glasses??

Oh, I agree that durability is the biggest issue...replacing textbooks with iPads right now is faintly ludicrous. 

But twenty years ago, dumping the landline and relying only on your cell phone seemed ludicrous, too.

Tablets and whatnot will get more durable and/or less expensive over time.

. . .and Admiral Kirk certainly appreciated the real book Captain Spock gave him for his birthday.

DoogsATX

 

smeagol the vile:

 

Here is something even easier.

a public High School.  a good 30 kids in a class, a few hundred classes in the school, all needing Books.

Lets see now... a bunch of insane Teenagers with hard back textbooks that can take ALOT of abuse, or giving them a expensive electronic reader that they take home with them...  Which will end better, you tell me

 

 

 

Hate to break it to you, but http://www.tuaw.com/2011/01/17/schools-in-singapore-issuing-ipads-to-teachers-and-students/

Follow the money. Textbooks are already a racket. Cost of an iPad plus the cost of textbook "apps", minus the cost of printing and shipping millions of copies = better margins for the publishers. 

Hate to break it to the guy who is breaking to someone else...

Trying that system in several test schools in NB, including my daughter's middle school. No text books was the battlecry, these kids are growing up electronic anyway, it's all going on netbooks, networked inside the facility, they carry a netbook home for projects, even went so far as to hire an IT professional to do nothing but maintain the netbooks & network, thereby adding 50K or so to the schools budget...

Until 4-5 were broken in the first week. Now the standard line at home is "I couldn't bring my homework because it's on the netbook - which isn't allowed out of the school anymore..." Solution? No homework!! How smart these kids are going to be!! Frig, I wish I could leave my work at work!!!

I think it is a changing in the market more than anything. Think of how many of us have spent more money on-line for our model supplies as opposed to visiting our LHS. I would put my ratio at around 90% myself. Sadly many of those LHS have declined and disappeared recently.

smeagol the vile

Here is something even easier.

a public High School.  a good 30 kids in a class, a few hundred classes in the school, all needing Books.

Lets see now... a bunch of insane Teenagers with hard back textbooks that can take ALOT of abuse, or giving them a expensive electronic reader that they take home with them...  Which will end better, you tell me

 

Hate to break it to you, but http://www.tuaw.com/2011/01/17/schools-in-singapore-issuing-ipads-to-teachers-and-students/

Follow the money. Textbooks are already a racket. Cost of an iPad plus the cost of textbook "apps", minus the cost of printing and shipping millions of copies = better margins for the publishers. 

Hey Aagranata, I had the same problem with the book stores. That's why I got subscriptions to them. I get Fine Scale, Combat Aircraft, and even the UK mags too. Much less hassle.

Here is something even easier.

a public High School.  a good 30 kids in a class, a few hundred classes in the school, all needing Books.

Lets see now... a bunch of insane Teenagers with hard back textbooks that can take ALOT of abuse, or giving them a expensive electronic reader that they take home with them...  Which will end better, you tell me

fermis

WHAT???!!! VHS is going away??? Next thing you know, I'll have to trade in all my  cassette tapes for something new.

Dude, you've still got my 8-track of "inagodadavida" that I loaned you 3 months ago - whassup?!

It would seem that books will eventually leave us... but here's a counter-theory for you. How much electricity/power are we consuming with all the gizmos that display electronic books... is that less sustainable than real, paper, books in the long run? Don't get political!! (There, now that I've thrown a porkchop into the dog pound I'll skee-daddle! )

The analogy isn't a sound one.

VHS is an analog storage medium that is both easily susceptible to damage and degrades over time. Digital video delivers significantly better quality and the files themselves can essentially last forever. 

Books, on the other hand, yes they degrade, but they are a physical presence. They're like printed photographs. Even now that digital photography has all but taken over, we still print photos. I think the market for paper books will shrink substantially in coming years, but I think we will ALWAYS have paper books in some form or fashion.

To me, it comes down to the type of book. Honestly, I'd love to have all my reference and history books digitized and able to be instantly called up on an iPad or something. I love the way they look on the shelves, especially some of those massive Oxford classical history tomes, but really, instant search, the ability to overlay historical maps on Google Earth, to zoom in on pictures, and such would be amazingly great.

When it comes to books I actually read page-by-page, I still prefer paper, but with two young kids, my book-every-two-weeks habit has slipped to a two-books-every-year habit. And I have every intention of giving eBooks a serious spin when my iPad 2 ships.

Also, as someone who has beat their head against the publishing industry for several years, I really like the democratization that eBooks bring to publishing. Maybe one of these days I'll get around to publishing my Punic War novel on the Amazon marketplace or whatever it's called one of these days.

Actually alot of bands are now releasing their new albums or their singles on Vinyl, as well as digital media now a days.

Books have been my life blood but then I come from the late 1930’s when libraries & books were the only reference in life apart from conversation. I have in the region of 800 books on WW11 & delight in reading..

 But it is inevitable that web information & e books will take a toll on the written word in books.

 However an experience in my life job occupation has a parallel. I ran an architectural practice & for 45 years all information was placed on tracing paper by pencil or pen. All hand driven.

 I then trespassed into CAD computer assisted drawing. Incredible in some ways a retrograde step in others. One thing was certain there was no going back.

 But some have stayed (or is it staid) with analogue drawing. Also those CAD minded still sketch as it is easier as CAD laborious in this direction.

 But as with books as with architectural drawings they are a means to an end they are the purveyor of the goods. It is the authors & the architects who produce the goods & are the important factor not the transport.

 Rather like a vinyl record all but extinct when you now can carry with you all your music library on a mini data piece. So with books. When we are able to carry in our pocket a small piece of technology which will contain thousands of book contents & which will open up into a digital book for us to read in our hands at any location then the days of books will become similar to vinyl records. We will buy data in place of a published book. Sad really.

 Laurie

Didnt even have to read the post, just read the title.  Answer is No, digital media will never replace books.  There is nothing like the feel of a book in your hand, being able to see your progress with your marker, the smell that new and old books give off.  Books are what make civilization possible IMHO, without them we would never have progressed past the bronze age, if that far.

no never there will always be a need for books they mite get hard to find but will never go away,

Ron

Never!!!!   I know that books will become more difficult to obtain, but they will not disappear as VHS is sure to do. After all not all the world is plugged in and has high tech, and as the situation in Japan now shows, technology can and will fail at times and paper will still be there. I sort of feel like that old lawyer on one of the Star Trek original series episodes who would not give up his books, even in the hige tech 23rd century.. a high tech device will never match the simple feel of a book in your hand on a quiet chair somewhere.

Fermis,you have cassette tapes???? Geeze I still have 8-tracks and players that work lol..... My 72 Chevy pick-up had an 8-track in it and everybody made fun of me.......

John