II./JG 52 reference needed

Posted the question on another forum where I know an author/researcher drops in now and then.  Nothing from him, but another member also confirmed that during this time frame II Gruppe did not appear to carry the bar marking, again the reason being unknown.

It's possible they relied on the squadron emblems instead.

regards,

Jack

Definitely should have the horizontal bar marking.  It seems though not to be an isolated example -  I can't find any II./JG52 examples wearing that marking during 1940.

http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205076070

regards,

Jack

Thanks for the links. Yes, Ali can be short for Albrecht. One plane shows Red 13, while the other shows Black 13. Red and Black being interchangeable for 2nd Staffel in a Gruppe, so that's no surprise. What's irritating me, 5./JG52 that would be Gruppe II, shouldn't the plane having a horizontal bar behind the + ?

Lion, you are correct, the mottling on the sides was added after the battle of France. The image Jack posted is the standard scheme for the period you are after.

Interesting pdf link here, a list of JG52 pilots and their claims for the whole war:

http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=15&ved=0CGUQFjAO&url=http%3A%2F%2Freibert.info%2Fattachments%2Fjg52-zip.345773%2F&ei=FECMUozmKcbgyQGDqYHADg&usg=AFQjCNGkQrDipLLy1EkXJmXF6Rd-TViU2A&bvm=bv.56753253,d.aWc

.. scratch that pdf link, seems broken, but this web page has the exact same info:

http://sd5.uchebalegko.ru/docs/166500/index-4407.html

regards,

Jack

Another possible candidate:

In the book I have, the aircraft is captioned as an E-1 of 5./JG52 and it crash-landed in Northern France in May 1940, Pilot Uffz. Albrecht Griener.

This photo is captioned as being Red 13, pilot being Ali Griener (note different first name - nickname perhaps?).

... and a text link offering some early  history on the unit;

http://sturmvogel.orbat.com/early_jg52.html

regards,

Jack

Thanks for the tips so far. I bought Osprey's JG 52 book and did some reading. Today, I found out Eduard's 1:48 109E-1 Profipack actually has decals for a 6./JG 52 plane of 1940. It has yellow cowling and rudder, as well as mottled sides, based in Husum (Sept. 1940). Since I was interested in building a plane from May/June, I wonder if I just left out the yellow and the mottling (with RLM 65 going up high on the sides) it could realistically be from the Phoney War/early Invasion period, and thus as it would have been while stationed for 2 weeks over here in Luxembourg. The yellow tactical markings only having appeared in Aug. 1940. Just not sure about the mottling on the sides yet...

The Osprey Aviation Elite Units book on JG 52 has one colour plate. I managed to find this photo of it, it has an unusual nose badge I haven't seen before. I believe that the badge for 6 Staffel. The scheme is standard light blue with high demarcation line for the top camo colours. Most 109's for this period were painted the same, so its really the markings you need to find, which apart from unit insignia are pretty standard.

asisbiz.com/.../Bf-109E-JG52.6-(Y1+)-Lederer.html

Not sure what scale you are after doing, but there a 72nd set that include another aircraft of 6 staffel.

Its no 3.

www.hannants.co.uk/.../PSL72021

Pretty easy to find info on 2/ JG52 pilots and 109e's while in Calais in August, but tough to tell whether other pics were taken while in Lux.