List of non-Axis (Allied captured), non-US designed aircraft used by US during WWII

Quagmyre

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List of non-Axis (Allied captured), non-US designed aircraft used by US during WWII

Posted by Quagmyre on Tuesday, July 6, 2004 1:25 PM

Here's a running list of non-Axis (Allied captured), non-US designed aircraft used by the USAAF or USN during WWII. I'm sure I'm missing some so any help is much appreciated. Note I'm not looking/including Axis planes captured by the US.

Airspeed Horsa Glider - Great Britain
Airspeed Oxford Mk. II - Great Britain
Avro Anson - Great Britain
Boulton Paul Defiant TT III - Great Britain
Bristol Beaufighter Mk. IV - Great Britain
DeHavilland Dominie - Great Britain
DeHaviland Mosquito Mk./PR XVI - Great Britain
DeHavilland Tiger Moth - Great Britain
Dewoitine D.520 - France
Gloster Meteor F.I EE210/G - Great Britain
Hawker Hurricane Ia - Great Britain
Hawker Sea Hurricane IIb - Great Britain
Miles Master III - Great Britain
Noorduyn Norseman - Canada
Percival Proctor III - Great Britain
Potez 540 - France
Supermarine Seafire LIIc - Great Britain
Supermarine Spitfire Mk. V - Great Britain
Supermarine Spitfire Mk. VIII - Great Britain
Supermarine Spitfire Mk. IX - Great Britain
Supermarine Spitfire PR XI - Great Britain
Westland Lysander TT III - Great Britain

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gregers

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Posted by gregers on Tuesday, July 6, 2004 7:08 PM

i have seen a pic of an airspeed oxford in usaf markings someplace. i'll try ond find out more for you. their is also the airspeed horsa glider that is a brit design used by the USAF.
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gregers

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Posted by gregers on Tuesday, July 6, 2004 7:09 PM

the noorduyin(sp?) norseman was also used by the USAF and this was built in Canada i belive.
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Quagmyre

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Posted by Quagmyre on Tuesday, July 6, 2004 8:35 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by gregers

the noorduyin(sp?) norseman was also used by the USAF and this was built in Canada i belive.
Greg

Good call Greg... I had that one in my master list of US WWII planes. Total oversight on my behalf. Duly noted and added to the list above. Keep forgetting Canada isn't the 51st state, ehhhh. Wink [;)]

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As for that Oxford I've seen a few accounts of Oxford's with USAAF markings, but no pics. Pics would be nice. Hope you can find 'em. Maybe Wolf will find some. Aparently Tasman models has markings for three USAAF Os for their 1/72 scale... wonder if they can scale them up to 1/48 for me... or maybe the Sanger 1/48 kit comes with USAAF markings. Guess I'll have to wait for him to get his business back up and running after the move.

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Keyworth

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Posted by Keyworth on Wednesday, July 7, 2004 12:38 AM

Add the DeHavilland Tiger Moth to the list. The 354th FG used one as a hack aircraft.

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Posted by Quagmyre on Wednesday, July 7, 2004 7:30 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by Keyworth

Add the DeHavilland Tiger Moth to the list. The 354th FG used one as a hack aircraft.

You are correct Sir.

The USAAF acquired two of them from the RAF. The 354th had one of them. They were given the designation of PT-24-DH and the serial numbers 42-963 and 42-1163.

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roadkill_275

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Posted by roadkill_275 on Thursday, July 8, 2004 1:43 AM

Does the Bf-108 used by the US embassy in Berlin count? It had US markings. It was used up until the embassy was closed.

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Posted by Quagmyre on Thursday, July 8, 2004 12:50 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by roadkill_275

Does the Bf-108 used by the US embassy in Berlin count? It had US markings. It was used up until the embassy was closed.

Hmmm.... that's tough. I think I'm looking for planes more along the lines of those used in combat, or military transport purposes during the war. Tempting.... when was the embassy closed? Was it used for any other purposes after the embassy closing? I guess what I am trying to say was it ever used to assist the fight against the Axis?

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roadkill_275

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Posted by roadkill_275 on Thursday, July 8, 2004 2:34 PM

I think it was flown to England by the US air attache, but I'll have to check my references again. England had one they used through out the war, and the picture I saw was of the two side by side. Don't know when it was taken though.

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Posted by BlackWolf3945 on Thursday, July 8, 2004 6:15 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by Quagmyre

...was it ever used to assist the fight against the Axis?

Nope...

Messerschmitt XC-44

None of the aircraft pictured on that page are the aircraft in question, and I'd be very interested in that image you mentioned, Roadkill...

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roadkill_275

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Posted by roadkill_275 on Thursday, July 8, 2004 7:38 PM

It was in a book I was looking through at walden books. This was several months ago and I have been trying to remember the name of it since. It dealt with the events leading up to the war. And it cost 49.99! I almost bought it because some of the pictures were of interest to me. Like Neville Chamberlains plane being escorted to the border by Bf-109Ds' and there were a lot of pictures of pre-war equipment. If only I can remember now, This is really getting frustrating. BTW I enlarged the F-111 pic for you, you should probably grab it soon.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 8, 2004 7:43 PM

Quagmyre,

These should up date your list of 'Foriegn' aircraft in the USAAC of WW II.

De Havilland Dominie
Miles Master III
Percival Proctor III
Boulton Paul Defiant TT III
Westland Lysander TT III

My reference's show the H.Hurricane in U.S. markings as Royal Navy FAA aircraft in suport of the 'Torch Landings', The Hurricanes flown by USAAC piloti with RAF markings were with 71 Eagle Sqn.

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Quagmyre

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Posted by Quagmyre on Thursday, July 8, 2004 8:09 PM

Duly noted and added to the list above. I've seen on one account that 3 Westland Lysander TT III s were acquired by the US during the war. Thanks Rob!

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qmiester

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Posted by qmiester on Thursday, July 8, 2004 8:44 PM

How about the Fiesler Storch? Several USAAF squadrons used them as hacks - especially in the MTO. And Eisenhower used one in France after SHAEF moved to France.

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Posted by Keyworth on Thursday, July 8, 2004 9:25 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by Quagmyre

QUOTE: Originally posted by Keyworth

Add the DeHavilland Tiger Moth to the list. The 354th FG used one as a hack aircraft.

You are correct Sir.

The USAAF acquired two of them from the RAF. The 354th had one of them. They were given the designation of PT-24-DH and the serial numbers 42-963 and 42-1163.

The 354th's was nicknamed El Pistopho Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by Quagmyre on Thursday, July 8, 2004 9:33 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by Keyworth

The 354th's was nicknamed El Pistopho

LOL! Classic!

I hope it had nose art and I hope you or someone has a pic!
I gota model it now!

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Keyworth

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Posted by Keyworth on Thursday, July 8, 2004 10:13 PM

I built it using an old ABT decal sheet. The only photo I have is in the old Aero book The Slybird Group.

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Posted by Quagmyre on Sunday, September 19, 2004 2:09 PM

Added the Vichy French Dewoitine D.520 to the list used as a 'hack' aircraft by the 31st FG pilots in North Africa. I guess you could argue this plane was originally captured and used by the Axis forces in the MTO, but I consider it an Allied plane recovered by the USAAF and therefore it qualifies. Besides I already purchased the Tamiya kit and plan on builing it someday. Wink [;)]

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Posted by snakedriver on Monday, October 11, 2004 2:27 PM

You can add the Avro Anson to the list. Two were operated by the U.S.
SN#AW911, DJ557. A number of other A/C are listed in the Ducimus'
"British Aircraft in USAAF Service" Camoflage and Markings series #21.
Several photos and colour plates of Airspeed Oxford among others.
Types also mentioned include some sent to U.S. for evaluation including Typhoon MN235 and Meteor EE210/G.

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roadkill_275

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Posted by roadkill_275 on Monday, October 11, 2004 4:27 PM

How about the CCF Harvard? During WWII there were several in US markings used in the states for training. Read this in a book a while back. Now I'll have to go through a bunch of boxes to find it.

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roadkill_275

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Posted by roadkill_275 on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:26 AM

Got lucky and found it almost immeadiately. Its listed in Squadrons T-6 in action. Unfortunately, it was during the 1950s and was a part of MAP. But there is a reference to a AT-16 used during WWII that was essentially a Harvard III or IV. No pictures though. You could check with Blackwolf and see if he has anything.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, November 7, 2004 9:19 AM

I can help on the Texans. A little fuzzy, but this is close. The Texan A-6's (from Academy?) are probably postwar, as they were a step between elementary trainers (Moths,etc) and high performance fighters, including the danger factor. The best kit is the Hard II from Airfix. However, you fellas used thousands as the SNJ in the Navy and elsewhere.

The only problem on the A-6 that I am researching is the number of metal ribs on the canopy and a very distinctive exhaust runiing from the engine to the leading edge of the starboard wing. For the British Commonwealth Training Plan this is a must. Also bewar of A-6's with an electronics dome of some kind between the canopy and the tail.

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Posted by qmiester on Sunday, November 7, 2004 10:01 AM

Question here - is this list supposed to be foreign designed and built aircraft used by US forces or aircraft built in a foreign country and used by US services. I ask because the Harvard is a US design built in Canada. If you add it, you have to add the PBY (Canso/OA-10) and the SB2C.

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Posted by Quagmyre on Monday, November 8, 2004 1:55 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by qmiester

Question here - is this list supposed to be foreign designed and built aircraft used by US forces or aircraft built in a foreign country and used by US services. I ask because the Harvard is a US design built in Canada. If you add it, you have to add the PBY (Canso/OA-10) and the SB2C.

Allow me to refine the criteria... Big Smile [:D]

This is good. Gotta let peeps know exactly what you're looking for.

I'll change this to "...non-US designed...". Where it was built is irrelevant for my purposes.

So by that criteria the T-6, PBY, and SB2C do not qualify for this list.

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Posted by roadkill_275 on Friday, November 26, 2004 3:58 PM

You're probably getting tired of hearing from me, but does the Gloster Meteor fit in? There was at least one in the States (one source says four) but I can find nothing else on it. I know it was flown at Wright-Pat sometime in late 1944- early 1945.

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Posted by Quagmyre on Friday, December 3, 2004 12:24 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by roadkill_275

You're probably getting tired of hearing from me, but does the Gloster Meteor fit in? There was at least one in the States (one source says four) but I can find nothing else on it. I know it was flown at Wright-Pat sometime in late 1944- early 1945.

Nahhh...it's good to see this. Did the Meteor bear USAAF markings?

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Posted by roadkill_275 on Saturday, December 4, 2004 4:32 PM

Yes it did. And it was painted in the standard RAF fighter scheme.

I found one rather grainy picture of it on the 'net, very poor quality. You could make out what it was, the rather obvious star and bar and the fact it was painted in a rather British looking scheme.

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Posted by BlackWolf3945 on Friday, December 31, 2004 4:28 AM

Alrighty, I found the picture of the Meteor you were talking about, roadkill, but the site is gone.

However, I did have the same image in my files. I posted it over on ETO but thought I'd also post it here...

Quag, just so you know I moved the thread on ETO to the 'Photo Files - Discussion and Requests' area.

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Posted by Quagmyre on Sunday, January 2, 2005 8:05 PM

Thanks yet again Wolf!

Another plane for me to build someday.

DOH! Wouldn't you know it. I had that same pic of the Meteor in one of my books all along.

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