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superglue go bad?
Posted by pathvet9 on Friday, December 25, 2015 7:03 PM

I have been using Microscale's superglues and wonder if it is my technique or whether the stuff goes bad over time.

I am having a b... of a time getting nylon thread to adhere to plastic for antennas. Even dripped Zapblaster catalysts on it with no adhesion gained.

I do admit that I sometimes get too big a drop on the part and I assume that too much makes it either set very slowly or not at all? 

So maybe I just need better technique?   Huh?

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Posted by hypertex on Saturday, December 26, 2015 3:59 PM

Cyanoacrylate glues do go bad in my experience. Usually they only last me 6 months to a year after I open them. They behave as you describe, they take forever to cure if they cure at all, even with accellerator.

It could also be the Nylon. I've never tried gluing nylon thread, but other kinds of nylon seem to be resistent to adhesives.

Better do a test on some scrap plastic that you know the glue will stick to. If it still doesn't stick, time for a new bottle.

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Posted by pathvet9 on Saturday, December 26, 2015 6:34 PM

Thanks so much for taking the time to support my contention. Don't know why I did not think to try a test but I will.  Bang Head

Microscale uses wayyyyy too big a bottle if that is the case about 6-12 months. I did store them in the freezer before opening but don't know if that makes any difference?

Am I also correct that putting too large a drop on the part will slow/stop curing?

 

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Posted by hypertex on Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:25 AM

pathvet9

Microscale uses wayyyyy too big a bottle if that is the case about 6-12 months. I did store them in the freezer before opening but don't know if that makes any difference?

Am I also correct that putting too large a drop on the part will slow/stop curing?

I know what you mean. I've never actually emptied a bottle of CA glue: it either dries up or stops working before I can use it all up. Nowadays, I only buy the smallest containers I can find.

I think too big a drop will slow the curing process, but I don't think it will stop it completely.

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Sunday, December 27, 2015 9:19 AM

I also buy in smaller containers because of the aging problem.  I use mostly the gel stuff and it does not last me anywhere near six months after I open it and start using it.  Not only does it not set as well as when fresh, the viscosity- already thick on the gel stuff- goes way up as it goes bad and is hard to apply.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by Putsie on Tuesday, December 29, 2015 7:23 PM

I keep mine in the fridge..........extends the life about double by my estimation

 

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Posted by pathvet9 on Tuesday, December 29, 2015 10:26 PM

Putsie - I keep mine in the freezer before I open it but don't refer after. Are you putting it into the fridge between uses?

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Posted by jtilley on Wednesday, December 30, 2015 10:46 AM

I've long had a theory (with no real scientific evidence to support it) that the shelf life of CA adhesive is directly related to the frequency of its use (i.e., how often the bottle gets shaken up). I can't prove it, but it just seems like the problems I've had with CA have been mostly with old bottles that haven't been used in a month or so turning into either a solid rock or a gooey mess.

Some companies advertise longer shelf life than their competitors. One is Franklin Titebond: http://www.woodcraft.com/articles/766/an-instant-glue-for-just-about-everything.aspx . Franklin claims a shelf life (unopened) of two years. I've got a bottle of Franklin Titebond Medium that I bought at our local Lowe's store; I've had it for several months and it still works fine. Franklin markets its products mainly to woodworkers, but this stuff works fine on plastics, metal, and ceramics. (I saved the day gluing a busted Christmas ornament back together with it.)

The last time I was at Hobbytown (the nearest store is about 100 miles from home), I bought a tube of "bSi Insta-cure IC-GEL Ethyl Cyanoacrylate Gel.) It comes in a metal tube (think Testor's) with a fine nylon nozzle, and has just about the consistency of traditional plastic tube glue. I think it's used for making aquariums, but it seems to be a fine model building adhesive as well.I've only had the chance to put it to use a few times so far, but so far I'm really impressed. Here's a link: http://www.hobbylinc.com/htm/hlc/hlc116.htm . I have no idea who else sells it.

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Posted by pathvet9 on Wednesday, December 30, 2015 2:09 PM
Thanks for the links. WOW - I never realized that shaking the bottles made any difference with CA's??

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Posted by jtilley on Wednesday, December 30, 2015 2:13 PM

That's just a guess on my part - but it does seem to mesh with experience.

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Posted by spiralcity on Sunday, February 7, 2016 11:55 AM

The Hobby Lobby stuf does not last long at all. I no longer will buy CA from them, for whatever reason, the shelf life is exremeley short. Loctite has a good shelf life, I was using another brand that had a good shelf life, it was  sold at my local HS, I havent seen it else where. Now my local HS has gone belly-up, so I turned to loctite.

 

 

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Posted by steve5 on Sunday, February 7, 2016 1:47 PM

if you want to prolong the life of ca glue , keep it in the fridge , don't know why it work's , it just does .

 

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Posted by mitsdude on Monday, February 8, 2016 1:41 AM

I buy the packages that contain 4,5,6 small tubes at the dollar stores. I keep one tube out for use and keep the others in the fridge. I cannot say the fridge storage has helped but I'm still on a package I bought about a year ago.

I dont use much super glue for my models. I would say I use it more for nonmodelling purposes.

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Posted by hogfanfs on Monday, February 8, 2016 6:29 AM

steve5

if you want to prolong the life of ca glue , keep it in the fridge , don't know why it work's , it just does .

 

 

Ditto Since I've been keeping the CA in the fridge, it's been lasting much longer. I actually finish the tubes now. Got the tip from a guy at Hobby Town.

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Posted by Cobra 427 on Monday, February 8, 2016 8:03 AM

Actually, that's the WORST thing you can do with superglue type adhesive!! There's nothing to be gained by putting glue into a cold environment. It's AIR, or OXYGEN that cures all glues unless you need an activator which is NOT the same as an accelerator! The smaller the space, the less the air. In this case if you're putting glue into a refrigerator this cools the air, but doesn't stop the air from drying it out, only it prolongs the glue as the air inside the refrigerator is not moving as much, and the oxygen in it doesn't build, or last as long because of such a limited space which is designed to push all the air out when you close the door which helps to retard spoilage.

All you're doing is making the glue thicker as all things become thicker in a cold environment. This does nothing to improve the quality of it, but when you have more air, especially if the bottle isn't sealed properly, or is about a third of the way empty, or half or more the air inside the bottle slowly cures whatever is inside. You can add acetone to thin it IF you get to it before it becomes too thick to save. The problem is that the cyanide in it evaporates from the glue mixture as it dries as this isn't what it's made from, but rather it's a catalyst that forces the acrylic in it to harden faster when applied to either warm, or hot surfaces, and bond to porous materials which is why it bonds to skin so well. If your glue is drying out you're not using it frequently which I do.

I buy the Bob Smith Industries 2 Oz. purple bottle medium thin as this is thick enough to control, and close small gaps, but doesn't run like the thin (regular) super glue, and isn't too thick like the gel. Any type of glue will be ruined inside the bottle just like enamel paints which dry when you have more air than paint inside the jar. The lid no matter how tight won't stop this from happening, it only slows it down. These Bob Smith Industries bottles are made from NYLON which is probably why your parts aren't gelling together. These bottles are designed so that the glue DOESN'T stick to it easily!

Use POLYSTYRENE to wrap around things instead of nylon thread. I have sprue that I stretched for making antennas, and radio wires for models. I glue it by running a thin bead all the way down the part, then I wrap the newly made polystyrene reinforcement wire over it slowly, then I hold it in place to let it dry for a minute. I don't have this problem with adhesion. I wondered with some of this stuff, but it's more a matter of patience than the glue. If you have a bottle of glue sitting around for a year, and it dries up, or other problem that's probably why you're having trouble with it!

 

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