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"Death in the Courtyard" *finished, more pics, page 15*

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"Death in the Courtyard" *finished, more pics, page 15*
Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 18, 2008 7:44 PM

Something a little diffferent from me...decided to use Miniart's wagon as the centerpiece of this small dio (instead of a vehicle)...US soldiers enter a small farm courtyard somewhere in Italy or France after a short but sharp firefight with German infantry...the platoon Sergeant peers around the corner of the wagon as the platoon leader calls a halt to his unit's advance until the he can asess the situation at the front...What you can't see yet is that there will be a German SS casualty lying in the open courtyard (nice Warrior fig)...this fig should add realism and drama to the scene and is a pretty graphic dead guy figgie...Most of the elements have been placed on the base...need some feedback...the dead German will be approx. where the X-acto blade container w/ the red top is at...Tamiya US infantry Assault set and VLS and Custom Dioramics scenery...

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Posted by Huxy on Monday, August 18, 2008 7:59 PM
I like the idea and the setup.. but I'm no expert.. Then we sit and wait...Smile [:)]

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Posted by Wirraway on Monday, August 18, 2008 8:49 PM

Manny.

I think the Pl Sgt would see the cadaver a lot sooner than is indicated.  Line of sight looks like he is walking straight towards it.  To get that sense of just walking unbeknown onto the SS trooper, I think you would need the body off to the side... maybe more obscured by the wagon.  As usual with your pieces, I cant wait to see the finished product !

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Posted by the doog on Monday, August 18, 2008 9:29 PM
I agree with Wirraway, Manny--it all looks very cool, but move the dead guy to over near the barrel...the soldier doesn't have to necessarily be looking right at him; just the mere presence of the dead body will confer the idea that there be Huns about!
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Posted by Will on Monday, August 18, 2008 11:14 PM
I've got the same set except I broke my tompson Sign - Oops [#oops] so im in the hole and dont have a replacement
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Posted by Huxy on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 3:16 AM
Oh, A little detail suggestion.. A knife on that sack with potatoes?

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Posted by SteveM on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:14 AM

Gonna look great, can't wait to see how you render the US uniforms.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:37 AM
I was a little surprised at how much dog hair looks like hay...
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Posted by vespa boy on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 9:05 AM
I agree with Wirraway and Doog. Experiment with the prone figure nearer to the barrel. You have a strong diagonal with the standing figures and the wagon. The hitch on the wagon being angles away from that diagonal leads your eye around the corner to show the viewer what the figures will see in a moment.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:36 AM

 vespa boy wrote:
I agree with Wirraway and Doog. Experiment with the prone figure nearer to the barrel. You have a strong diagonal with the standing figures and the wagon. The hitch on the wagon being angles away from that diagonal leads your eye around the corner to show the viewer what the figures will see in a moment.
I agree that could be a better composition...as I get further into it I'll post some different placement options for the corpse...actually, the wagon will probably be more parallel with the front than it is now...

Actually, it was never my intention to imply that the US soldiers had not yet seen the dead German, just that thaey had engaged the enemy, fell one, and were now advancing cautiously as a result...but, having said that, it might be more interesting if they have not yet seen him...another thing I have been thinking of doing that IMO would double the sense of bullets flying is to drill a few holes in the barrel and model some water/wine running out of the holes onto the ground (any tips on ways to do this would be great--although I know of a few methods)...also some bullet holes in the wall/wagon, etc...thoughts?

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Posted by Hartmann352 on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:04 AM

I'm w/ Wir & Doog...corpse off to the right...I was thinking by barrel, but then wondered how it would be if it appeared that the German was offed while using the cart as cover, opposite from the US soldiers....guess it would depend on the damage to the German. My 2 cents [2c]

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Posted by acmodeler01 on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:56 AM

OOO I like the idea of water running out of the barrel or somewhere! I think you could pull it off with some fishing line making the general flow/line/trajectory of the water, then building up the water itself with WS water effects, clear epoxy, or something like that.
If you put bullet holes in the wagon, I wonder if there would be a way to show chunks or slivers of wood flying away or chipping off of it?

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Posted by vespa boy on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 12:55 PM
For water coming out of a hole, I would start with stretching out some clear sprue and bending it to shape, and use clear acrylic medium to make the puddle. You can get the medium in a variety of viscosities, so try out which one works for you.

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Posted by zokissima on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 1:16 PM
Nothing to add that hasn't allready been said, regarding the angling of the dead body. Definitely think the wagon should be a little bit more parallel (but still askew) to the lower edge, which would give you the room to move the corpse over a bit. Or, you could have a larger piece where the water fountain is now, and have the first US soldier peaking out there, while the two remaining stay behind the wagon. May give a better impression of an advance after a firefight, as they are covering multiple angles, as opposed to just advancing single file.
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Posted by dupes on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 1:23 PM

Cool idea, Manny. Like what you've done with the lamppost/base part already.

Question - what are you doing with all of the glued-down sprues? Using it like rebar for whatever ground simulating paste you're going to use?

Can't wait to see more. Wink [;)]

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 1:41 PM
 dupes wrote:

Cool idea, Manny. Like what you've done with the lamppost/base part already.

Question - what are you doing with all of the glued-down sprues? Using it like rebar for whatever ground simulating paste you're going to use?

Can't wait to see more. Wink [;)]

Actually the "lamppost base" is a manual water-pump (the hand-crank is on the far side---not too visible in the pics)...I am gonna put a bucket w/ water next to it as it progresses...

The glued-down sprues you guessed exactly right...I often use them to provide something for the Celluclay to grip onto...I did the same thing in my "Backhand Blow" dio and actually posted a pic of the base with them on it in my WIP thread...I also used tongue depressors for creating elevation...I find that the sprue helps minimize curling, sliding and and lifting of the Celluclay...

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Posted by 44Mac on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 2:12 PM

Turn the wagon alittle more to the left, Put a guy on the six of the wagon covering the three o´clock. Maybe add a corpsman being stopped from running forward? Oh yea, and a gal in her skivies lookin around the corner to see whats goin on.

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 4:56 PM

...the "lamppost base" is a manual water-pump (the hand-crank is on the far side---not too visible in the pics)...I am gonna put a bucket w/ water next to it as it progresses...

I'd consider booby-trapping that pump or bucket...  Not too obviously, but enough to be seen by the viewer, but not the GIs...

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Posted by Huxy on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 5:12 PM
 Hans von Hammer wrote:

...the "lamppost base" is a manual water-pump (the hand-crank is on the far side---not too visible in the pics)...I am gonna put a bucket w/ water next to it as it progresses...

I'd consider booby-trapping that pump or bucket...  Not too obviously, but enough to be seen by the viewer, but not the GIs...

 

Great idea! Huxy agrees! 

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Posted by dupes on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 5:19 PM
 Mansteins revenge wrote:
 dupes wrote:

Cool idea, Manny. Like what you've done with the lamppost/base part already.

Question - what are you doing with all of the glued-down sprues? Using it like rebar for whatever ground simulating paste you're going to use?

Can't wait to see more. Wink [;)]

The glued-down sprues you guessed exactly right...I often use them to provide something for the Celluclay to grip onto...I find that the sprue helps minimize curling, sliding and and lifting of the Celluclay...

Very interesting. How do you attach the sprues, hot glue gun or something along those lines? 

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 5:22 PM
 dupes wrote:
 Mansteins revenge wrote:
 dupes wrote:

Cool idea, Manny. Like what you've done with the lamppost/base part already.

Question - what are you doing with all of the glued-down sprues? Using it like rebar for whatever ground simulating paste you're going to use?

Can't wait to see more. Wink [;)]

The glued-down sprues you guessed exactly right...I often use them to provide something for the Celluclay to grip onto...I find that the sprue helps minimize curling, sliding and and lifting of the Celluclay...

Very interesting. How do you attach the sprues, hot glue gun or something along those lines? 

I fill the base with the sprue, then pull out the good 'ol mega-size bottle of Elmer's and go to town...simple white glue works for me...I also mix a liberal amount of it into the Celluclay mixture to help prevent shrinkage and keep it from cracking when drying...
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Posted by sfcmac on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:19 PM
Sorry to be so late. My computer has caught a bug and running really slow. May have to give up and go to Vista.
Excellent idea and example of how you go about constructing the scene. Gotta get this computer bug worked out. Took ten minutes just to type this much but I wanted you to know I think this is an excellent thread and appreciate you sharing your work!
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Posted by panzerguy on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:07 PM

 

   Manny taking shape nicely, even without a buxom blonde Big Smile [:D]

   The wagon makes a great center piece for this dio. I think it's one of the best accessory     item's I've seen in a while.

   Have you thought about moving the fig with the Thompson to the rear to make it look as though he's signaling the rest of the squad to hold thier position?

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:04 PM

Have you thought about moving the fig with the Thompson to the rear to make it look as though he's signaling the rest of the squad to hold thier position?

That would be a given, since the rest of the squad would already be in overwatch, covering the element that's on the objective.  One thing I didn't point out before. That the Plt Sergeant and the Plt Leader wouldn't both go forward at the same time.  One would remain with the rest of the patrol that's in overwatch on the forward element, most likely the Platoon Leader.  'Course, that's only if the entire platoon is on that mission, 4 squads, or about 40 GIs... If it's a squad-sized element, it's likely that the leader is a buck Sergeant with a Corporal in command of the other fire team.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 20, 2008 6:45 AM
 Hans von Hammer wrote:

Have you thought about moving the fig with the Thompson to the rear to make it look as though he's signaling the rest of the squad to hold thier position?

That would be a given, since the rest of the squad would already be in overwatch, covering the element that's on the objective.  One thing I didn't point out before. That the Plt Sergeant and the Plt Leader wouldn't both go forward at the same time.  One would remain with the rest of the patrol that's in overwatch on the forward element, most likely the Platoon Leader.  'Course, that's only if the entire platoon is on that mission, 4 squads, or about 40 GIs... If it's a squad-sized element, it's likely that the leader is a buck Sergeant with a Corporal in command of the other fire team.

Great points...I think I will move Mr. Thompson to the rear and have him gesturing to the team members that are off of the base...also, might booby-trap a potato masher to the pump: strap it to the back upside down and have a fine wire from the fuze to the pump handle...prime the pump and "BOOM"...
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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Wednesday, August 20, 2008 7:35 AM
That's exactly the type of booby-trap I was thinking of, MR...Thumbs Up [tup]

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 20, 2008 2:43 PM
Anyone have any suggestion on how to zimm a wagon?
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Posted by sfcmac on Wednesday, August 20, 2008 2:53 PM
I think disney makes a P-E set for that? You aren't serious? I can never tell you may have a reference showing one.
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Posted by Jester75 on Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:56 PM

I think Atak makes a FAK (field application kit) in resin that is just lovely! Could put it on the ground by the wagon as though it was hastily dropped when the krauts were caught by surpise.Whistling [:-^]Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

 This one is gonna be a looker MR for sure!! Very excited about the barrel, I hope you pull it off!!

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Posted by Kevleerey on Thursday, August 21, 2008 11:46 AM
But wouldn't the liquid in the barrel scrub most of the bullet's velocity? Also, wouldn't they be FMJs? Maybe not back then, but I thought military rounds were made not to mushroom, but obviously I'm not an expert on WWII munitions... just wondering.
-------Kevin
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