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Posted by georgeshaeffer on Thursday, August 11, 2011 4:56 PM

Yes, you have to be a current member to enter a model (or as many as you want to).  You can obtain a copy of the rules and lots of other information at www.ipmsusa.org

You will also find a link to the website for the 2012 National Convention with all sorts of information and links to register (you'll need your IPMS member number) and hotel space, vendor registration (to the best of my knowledge, you do NOT have to be an IPMS member to be a vendor), etc.

George Shaeffer, Treasurer

2012 IPMS National Convention

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Posted by Felix C. on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 6:51 PM

^^I saw the video over at modelwarships and for the caption indicated as OOB winners are number were in seascapes and all were painted hence my comment.

 

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Posted by waynec on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 4:08 PM

"Any OOB contest I have entered in the past has allowed painting, and aftermarket decals.  Although you have to use kit parts (except decals) and follow kit instructions, this did not apply to paint- it could have a radically altered paint scheme.  I didn't know Nats rules allowed diorama- I assume everything in diorama must be from kit (i.e, some kits come with standing pilots- I always assumed these could be mounted to a base and still be OOB- but never saw an OOB on a base in previous contests.  Also, historically planes that needed rigging, like WW1 planes, but did not supply rigging thread, could still be rigged if rigging was shown in instructions."

hi don

probably saw you there. let me try to clarify some. ship can have aftermarket railings and be considered OOBs. if there is a rigging plan in the instructions then that's oob even though the thread didn't come with the kit. if it is mounted on a waterbase, the base is NOT judged.

i believe diroamas have 5 or more figures, vignettes have less than 5 BUT an oob (tamiya mk-2f w/ afrika korps infantry) on the base could be considered oob since the infantry came with the kit. again bases are NOT judged.

any oob MUST HAVE the instructions with the kit. all painting is allowed but anything unusual needs photo or written documentation. the weathered FLOWER CLASS CORVETTE had photos of that ship showing the amount of rust on the starboard side which quieted some of the "it's too weatherd" comments.  as i mentioned eaflier, rr tracks are a base and not judged unless in a diorama.

once i decide what catagories i am going to compete in next year (flying in) and 2013 (driving up from denver) i will scrutinize the rules and write up and submit specific questions to the judging committee. for example is a 1/35 italeri MAS boat oob if it has the italeri crew (also oob but a different b)?

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Posted by waynec on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 3:56 PM

"What I wanted to see were pics of the Cruisers..."

i have to collect all my pics in one spot. now i have them over 3 computers and a couple of books. will create a photobucket album and post the link when i get it done.

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 2:32 PM

Felix C.

Do I have to be a member to enter a model?

Well it is in Orlando next year and I would like to enter in two categories one being OOB.

I note OOB can be painted and may also be in a diorama. I thought OOB was literally OOB without paint and on the issued stands if applicable. Where can I obtain a copy of the rules?

Any OOB contest I have entered in the past has allowed painting, and aftermarket decals.  Although you have to use kit parts (except decals) and follow kit instructions, this did not apply to paint- it could have a radically altered paint scheme.  I didn't know Nats rules allowed diorama- I assume everything in diorama must be from kit (i.e, some kits come with standing pilots- I always assumed these could be mounted to a base and still be OOB- but never saw an OOB on a base in previous contests.  Also, historically planes that needed rigging, like WW1 planes, but did not supply rigging thread, could still be rigged if rigging was shown in instructions.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 2:29 PM

waynec

http://www.ipmsusa.org/competition_handbook/CompHandbook2002.pdf

things are starting to get blurry given there are OOB kits with pe. this should be a good start and contact information to ask judging questions.

http://www.ipmsusa.org/MemberServices/memberservices.htm

What I wanted to see were pics of the Cruisers...

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Posted by Felix C. on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 2:27 PM

Thanks. I have one done but have not started or selected the OOB and thought to ask now to ensure I stay within the rules.

 

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Posted by waynec on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 2:01 PM

http://www.ipmsusa.org/competition_handbook/CompHandbook2002.pdf

things are starting to get blurry given there are OOB kits with pe. this should be a good start and contact information to ask judging questions.

http://www.ipmsusa.org/MemberServices/memberservices.htm

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 1:32 PM

waynec

 i have pictures of TtNG YUEN with and without ratlines and the pe doesn't have any but the pe for CHIH YUEN does so maybe TING YUEN doesn't but we think it should. documentation will justify your decision.

I'd like to see those...

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Posted by Felix C. on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 1:04 PM

Do I have to be a member to enter a model?

Well it is in Orlando next year and I would like to enter in two categories one being OOB.

I note OOB can be painted and may also be in a diorama. I thought OOB was literally OOB without paint and on the issued stands if applicable. Where can I obtain a copy of the rules?

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  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 8:48 AM

pawjtr

I completely agree with all of your points. I wanted to add 1 small point to your list

- that you still have to do the basics right or your model will not win, period. This was also my first time judging and I realized that the basics have to be taken care of before a model can even pass the first round of judging. a floating bogie or a separated wing root will make even the best painted and weathered model knocked out first.

overall Qmaha was a total blast! i cannot wait for 2012 and florida!

Good point.  This is the value of OOB categories, though having both an OOB and an open category for almost every category may be a little too much.  Clubs I belong to often have challenge OOB contests to sharpen/keep sharp those basic skills.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by pawjtr on Monday, August 8, 2011 3:49 PM

I completely agree with all of your points. I wanted to add 1 small point to your list

- that you still have to do the basics right or your model will not win, period. This was also my first time judging and I realized that the basics have to be taken care of before a model can even pass the first round of judging. a floating bogie or a separated wing root will make even the best painted and weathered model knocked out first.

overall Qmaha was a total blast! i cannot wait for 2012 and florida!

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  • From: Denver, Colorado
omaha impressions what did i learn
Posted by waynec on Friday, August 5, 2011 11:58 PM

my first nationals and i also judged. what did i learn?

ask questions and bs with everyone, vendors, members, presentation folks. be specific and you will get specific answers.

i can compete. i may not win anything but i build and paint good enough that i don't have to be embarrassed by anything i submit ( assuming, of course, i build to my usual anal standards).

really look at all the catagories and build specifically for them (again assuming it is something you would want to build anyway)

rr track for rr models is a base, not the model even if it comes in the kit or is scratch-built (at least we think at this time).

being obsessed with the correct color is a waste of time. obviously lime green is not soviet armour green but every u-boat had a slightly different shade of light gray and they all looked good. 

document any deviances. if you have a destroyer with a catapult and float plane have photos to back up your build.

if competing to win a major, take and evaluate digital photos of your build. that degree of focus will identify boggers you may miss with the naked eye.

judges really do read the documentation. i have pictures of TtNG YUEN with and without ratlines and the pe doesn't have any but the pe for CHIH YUEN does so maybe TING YUEN doesn't but we think it should. documentation will justify your decision.

judges are not idiots. they are modelers with a tough job. when it gets down to 3 models, you have to be super critical (to be polite) to pick the best.

remember this is still a hobby. the defense of the free world is not at stake. have fun and don't get super stressed out.

just a few thoughts way too late in the evening after completing my first judging.

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