Hey! Respect your elders, young man!  He may ramble a bit, and may forget a lot, but still he's a font of knowledge about... what was it?  Oh, yeah!   ESOTERIC things!  Yep, esoteric!  That's the word, dagnabit!

Really, no respect from young people nowadays, gol-darnit! 

Excuse me while I take a nap.

Gary

What I wonder about is his reluctance to post images!  Several of us have tried to help him- I get the idea he just does not want to.  These days a picture is worth millions of words/bytes.

Why's  everybody always Picking on me?

            I will address this. My kid is a Bump on the world of models. Couldn't even try a robot and a simple one at that. Me? Well, just to settle things. I don't post pictures for three reasons. One-and most important; I NEVER got in the habit of tooting my own horn on any of my builds .EVER!! Two; I have gone from an Antique Dell to a state of the art(Well, it was on the day I bought it!) HP. No disc drive and don't know how to put the pictures init. Three; I cannot afford any other bills just now.

           I don't have the shekels for a photo Hosting sitess! Fair Enough! I have NEVER taken Photos of any in progress photos of any of my projects be they real world buildings or Models. I guess one thing that stuck with me was my Dad. He told me. If you are the best, they will seek you out. You Don't need to shout your name or company name to the rooftops - Word of Mouth is way better! So I have always lived to that philosophy. Yes, I have had some Wonderful Photo equipment,Yes, I used it a lot. To record the family and it's doings for my children's Posterity.

           I haven't taken many photos since December 3rd, 1982,at 3:23P.M. I will Not go public as to why. That's on me. My adopted Humper Knows why. I just have NEVER gotten into photos again like I used to. Sorry. That is whay I am so Verbose. I try to make the world in general See, through my words. In other words, Paint a Word Picture. As to the rest of you, Can't A guy enjoy his first cup of the day already? Besides I have to finish Polishing this Famous Boot! It's gonna be in the Dark agin, I see!

missileman2000

What I wonder about is his reluctance to post images!  Several of us have tried to help him- I get the idea he just does not want to.  These days a picture is worth millions of words/bytes.

I have to confess I have tried to (respectfully) prod him in that direction once or twice myself; since modeling is by definition an essentially visual medium, even the best descriptions don't quite get the job done.

And, again respectfully, I say this as someone who had zero background in photography when I started. I bought a cheap digital camera on Amazon...the same one I have all these years later...and just jumped in with two feet. 

Gary:

      How dare You! Esoteric? Now that's one I have not been labeled with yet. Thank You. Yes, I do get into Esoteric and quite often. Learning Engineering and Design back in slide rule days wasn't easy. There was so much that could be done better OUT of the BOX!

Hi Greg!

           You did Help as did Missleman2! Got the hang of it and a photo site.Then they decided fees were needed. Couldn't do it. Went to another, Some months in, Same thing, Third site Lost my file! Now after all that, Camera was destroyed in Van Crash that saved my life. Hmmmm. New lease on life , New Camera. Hey, No Film! Oiks! Got clued in on digital and was building a portfolio to post. Life got in the way again.

           Plus with my demeanor I don't Toot My own Horn, As my dad used to say. Last photo I saw of Myself was one one from Way Back when I was still coming to grips with Plane Crash Survivorship. Look Like a Pavement roller and a WWF star worked me over! Nuffsaid. I still have all your's and Missleman's stuff written down. 

gregbale

...since modeling is by definition an essentially visual medium, even the best descriptions don't quite get the job done

It is also a good way for anybody you're sharing a technique with to see visual evidence that the technique being shared actually works to the level the other poster is looking for.  Gives them a chance to look at it and say "I think I'll try that..." or "Thanks, but I don't like how that looks."  I also tend to feel that commenting on or critiquing builds in photos that other members have posted is inappropriate if the commenter/critic never puts their own work out there to be commented on/critiqued.

Hey You! Pointy Rocket Guy2!!LOL.

      I am not reluctant! I just cannot justify the cost of a photo-hosting site and The Habit never really got ingrained in me .Tech jumps are another thing that Bumfizzled me. It seems like every time I turn around the basic steps keep the same but the equipment and how to use it don't. Remember I have said before. The only reason I can post, is I got familiar with a Word processor just before they went away. Had nothing to do with High tech till 1996 when I gor remarried.

       I have all your instructions in a notebook, in order. Now that said. How do you take pictures out of the Camera Card, Put it on a Thumb Drive, then Import here to the Laptop to upload to a FREE site. See what I mean? I was just getting the hang of it with the ship bridge pictures when the bottom fell out once more! I still don't know what half of the icons around this reply box mean!

Yes! 

     I do wholeheartedly agree with that. But, as I have said in my defense many times. I was not taught by a single someone. AND it was something I had to pick up over the years in a disjointed sort of way. Shoot, in all the years I built model cars I only posted to Scale Auto maybe three times and it was hard copy pictures to their Brick and Mortar address!

    To that point, If I had to post photos seven days a week, Well, in a work week, eight hours a day I would get the hang of it real quick! I know it's not that hard. I just now have equipment I know nothing about. My last good Camera got smashed by the Pawn shop! They replaced it, but the newer techier one didn't come with any onstructions! OJT for sure. Still haint got all the "T" stuff down yet!

Hey, Humper, I've got a better idea - why don't you grab your phone and snap some nice close ups of the models Doc is tinkering with... Post them here and then we can have our fun together, and respectfully, too!

As for TBs ramblin'... Sometimes I also can't quite figure it out, but I say without him those forums would be much more dead than they already are. So he's our treasure!

My best greetings for everybody and have a nice day!

Paweł

Tanker-Builder

Hi Greg!            You did Help as did Missleman2! Got the hang of it and a photo site.Then they decided fees were needed. Couldn't do it.

Just as an FYI, TB...should you ever get the hankerin' to jump back in to photo-world...I've been using Postimage for a couple years now, and they don't charge a nickel for the basic account (which I have). It's pretty straightforward and easy to use.

Salud!

Hey that's pretty cool to have a father/son team here.  If you removed the names and images I'm pretty sure we can all identify TB's post.  The content and of course, length are a dead giveaway.  He has his own unique style and when I have an hour to kill (lol) I like to read one of his entries.  
Next year I believe Nationals are in TB's area.  Maybe I will have a chance to meet the man.  Please let's try and keep it short though.  Its only a four day event.  

Come-on TB, post some pics of your stuff! I'll bet your stuff looks great!

Hey! Johnny K ! 

     I honestly wish I could.  I Haven't taken any lately. Plus I am sorry to say they are classified.( LOL,LOL,) Meaning-How the %$^^ to I get them from my phone to here? I would like to do it because of the little detailing tricks I use and how easy they would make things.

    I am going to try to venture that way one more time. After all batteries are fully charged or replaced, and someone here can spend about an hour or two with me. Honest! The here, means one of my friends from around New Braunfels that's savvy with this stuff. Okay? Oh Here's something just in. I will get some training, so there!!

  Esoteric, thank you, I like it LOL  TB is definitly a wealth of knowledge, I've even tried to get him to publish some books on modeling in order to pass it all on...

  Pawel, the bigeest problem with that is, remember he lives in Texas and I'm in Michigan... He texts me some pictures every so often but as far as posting them here, he knows more about that than I do. 

  Thanks y'all for helping the ribbing, I got an earful for it of course, but maybe now we can get him to get pictures up. He can get over "Tooting his own horn" as he said LOL

Hello Humper!

If you have those photos on your mobile phone, it is just as good as if you took them personally. The next question is: can you put them on the 'net somehow? I mean some photo sharing site, you could also start a blog and upload them there. Heck, ina pinch you could mail them to ma and I'd put them up on my server. After that is done it's just a matter of linking it here - that's a snap in comparison. Wanna try it?

Have a nice day

Paweł

 Hi Pawel, nice talking too you again! Your way sounds super simple and sure we could try, but again, TB doesn't even send me many. Usually when we're talking about something I look up random pictures of whatever it is on the internet to get a better idea of what he's talking about. 

 In a way he's reluctant about posting a full build, "Tooting his own horn" theory, and there is much more involved that as he said, we're not going to discuss here. I'm trying to break him of that and show everyone what it is he's rambling (LOL) about.

 Last night when I was "getting the highly polished boot" we talked about the camera/posting issues. I know you both talk quite a bit so when he reads these it might be a better option.  I believe he has your email. If he sent pictures from the phone, you would be able to handle it from there?

  Thanks for the help Pawel!!

Hello!

Well, if I can help you with that I'd be more than happy.

So, basically, Humper & TB, if you want to post some pictures you can e-mail them to me, and I will post them. Just be sure not to post too many at one time, or you'll jam up my mailbox. Or I can give you another e-mail adress for posting more data.

I wonder, what happens now...

Have a nice day!

Paweł

Tanker-Builder

Why's  everybody always Picking on me?

            I will address this. My kid is a Bump on the world of models. Couldn't even try a robot and a simple one at that. Me? Well, just to settle things. I don't post pictures for three reasons. One-and most important; I NEVER got in the habit of tooting my own horn on any of my builds .EVER!! Two; I have gone from an Antique Dell to a state of the art(Well, it was on the day I bought it!) HP. No disc drive and don't know how to put the pictures init. Three; I cannot afford any other bills just now.

           I don't have the shekels for a photo Hosting sitess! Fair Enough!

 

If the new computer is reasonably current technology, you should be able to insert an SD card in it somewhere- no need for a disk drive.  Or, most cameras have a USB connection (my current SD card is defective- won't work in computer, so I have to hook USB cable between camera and computer).

As for hostings sites, there are a number of free ones. I use postimage.  Good site- fast, high res.

Sometimes a pic is illustrating a point, not bragging.  Sometimes you try to describe something in words that a diagram or pic would be much better.

   Pick on TB?? I would just like to say that I totally aporeciate his wisdom, input, and stories...when I have time to kill and can follow his train of though. That said there is being humble and being excentric. You do what you do TB but more pix to explain would be nice. Heck I failed in my challenge to you about posting pix too so I have no room to throw stones.

Okay;PointyRocket guy2 (Sorry, Just can't resist)

        Now I am going to put you to task. My new Laptop is an H.P./IntelCore-13 It was more expensive than I had hoped, But it seems almost intuitive. My camera is a KODAK Pixpro AZ401, ModelMO53290662. The one thing my old Camera had this one doesn't is a screen that could be flipped out and around to allow me to see what the lens saw while I was looking at the screen. This one has the digital screen fixed on the back. So the shots i had hoped to be able to take are very hard to do.

      On ships I like to take the shots as if I was on a Motor-Whaleboat coming alongside. This shows the Rails and P.E. that was painstakingly installed from an unusual and different angle. The other camera also allowed me to shoot from eye level as in a Model car or piece of Armor. I still didn't take a lot as I just thought it took to much time away from building. I would like to try Pawel's way and then Yours. Let me get mentally geared up for what I want to shoot,Okay?

ArmorNut;

         Sir, I cannot accept that explanation! You did not fail, I did! This whole thing of going three or four places just throws me off! It would be so much easier to load a card from my camera to this here Laptop then Post to FSM, but no, you have to go to another place and post from there. It's not as easy for someone who really is not that computer literate. I have explained why I can post the written word. The rest is as screwed up to me as trying to put my Kindle back on the Wi-Fi after it drops off! I have to get my landlady's daughter to do it when she is available too!

   My thing is I build so slow that I never build up the required muscle memory needed to simply put pix up. I agree the process here can be" challenging"  but not impossible. I only ask that you just keep being your interesting self and keep telling stories of your civilian fleet. I can use my vivid imagination to picture what your putting down.

Pick on T.B.????

Um, you guys honk off the grouchy old man, I'll stay at a safe distance.... 

Some things are better left unsaid...but yes, it does seem like he starts posting conversational subjects in multiples just to see who responds.

Not that that's a bad thing. He just wants someone to talk to.

Rob!

     My Goodness! Someone finally figured it out! It's part of the reason that I post, is to talk to someone! There is no one, and I mean no one around here I can sit with, drink some coffee, tea, or even a beer and talk models and techniques.

      Yes ,I have a lot to share, but there's just no one to share it with except youse guys and Gals on the site. Even Papermodelers is somewhat distant, given that it's a foriegn site!(U.K.)

       When I lived in Ca. before the second wife, There were four or five modelers close by. We would get together on my houseboat's foredeck and model and B.S. about models and everything else!

Gamera;

    Grouchy, Me? No Way! If'n I was, I wouldn't talk to anyone!

Tanker-Builder

Okay;PointyRocket guy2 (Sorry, Just can't resist)

        Now I am going to put you to task. My new Laptop is an H.P./IntelCore-13 It was more expensive than I had hoped, But it seems almost intuitive. My camera is a KODAK Pixpro AZ401, ModelMO53290662. The one thing my old Camera had this one doesn't is a screen that could be flipped out and around to allow me to see what the lens saw while I was looking at the screen. This one has the digital screen fixed on the back. So the shots i had hoped to be able to take are very hard to do.

      On ships I like to take the shots as if I was on a Motor-Whaleboat coming alongside. This shows the Rails and P.E. that was painstakingly installed from an unusual and different angle. The other camera also allowed me to shoot from eye level as in a Model car or piece of Armor. I still didn't take a lot as I just thought it took to much time away from building. I would like to try Pawel's way and then Yours. Let me get mentally geared up for what I want to shoot,Okay?

 

My good model camera has a fixed screen too.  My wife has a good compact with the movable screen.  Nice.  But I get along with mine okay, because of its other great features.  Photography is a hobby, so I am willing to get down on my knees at times, or even on my belly, to get the shot I want.

I built a little bench for my model photography, and made the legs a bit long so I don't have to get on my knees very often.

Another must have for good model photography is a tripod.  I picked up a new light weight one at Walmart for twenty bucks a few years ago.  I shoot aperture priority at f/16 or higher, so exposures are long.  But the tripod aids in seeing screen.  You only have to control your body, not the camera too.

I love low camera angles.  When I see planes and cars (and ships too) I am seeing them from a low angle, so that is how I like to photograph them.  Only twice have I looked down from above at a plane from above.  Once, in St. Louis I was putting along in my Ercoupe when I saw something come up on my right wing- it was an F-15 painted in bicentenial colors!

Second time was when the shuttle Enterprise and its carrier aircraft made an appearance at STL.  I was the information hack for our local EAA chapter.  We made arrangements for me to go up on the roof of a local FBO that overlooked the ramp, where we had some of the EAA planes.  Really treasure the shots of shuttle I got there.  I bought a model of the shuttle and carrier and one of these days I will build that in the livery the carrier used at that time.

Tanker-Builder

Rob!

     My Goodness! Someone finally figured it out! It's part of the reason that I post, is to talk to someone! There is no one, and I mean no one around here I can sit with, drink some coffee, tea, or even a beer and talk models and techniques.

      Yes ,I have a lot to share, but there's just no one to share it with except youse guys and Gals on the site. Even Papermodelers is somewhat distant, given that it's a foriegn site!(U.K.)

I figured it out long ago, but I only pop in during certain parts of the day; I leave for work in early afternoon and come home after midnight (eastern). But, as I said, somethings are better left unsaid.

Have you thought about FaceBook? There are countless modeling pages for various regions, various genres, etc.

I mean, if you like building spaceships out of toothpicks and bubble gum, there is probably a FaceBook group for that niche.

I belong to a Monogram Scale Model Group, Aurora Plastic Model Kits Group, Vintage Revell Group, Military Toys From our Childhood group, Science Fiction & Fantasy Modelers group, Renwal Models Nostalgia group, Cold War Model making group, Vietnam model making group, WWII-Cold War Armor group, IPMS/USA, Scale Model Graveyard, Retro Modellers, Full Metal Jacket Modeling, Model Kit Boneyard, Scale Model Trader, Pacific War Armor Modeling Interest Group, Korean War Modeling Interest Group, Sprue Society, a group simply called Modelers, my local IPMS chapter's group, a couple of my former AMPs and IPMS pages.

Seriously, there are countless people who would just love to chat with you real time because they are just like you and want to chat models.

About the only thing they all warn about is to avoid political discussion.

I also belong to multiple veterans' pages like the M1 Abrams tanker page, M48/60 Tanker page (I am an admin there), pages from my former units, etc.

For those of you who say, "I don't do FaceBook", you're missing out. It's one of the reasons a lot of forums have slowed down. But you can do both.