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Posted by cardshark_14 on Thursday, March 6, 2008 10:23 PM
Mike, its all yours!  Well done! Thumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by Brews on Thursday, March 6, 2008 9:24 PM
UGLEEEEE! :)
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Posted by telsono on Thursday, March 6, 2008 9:00 PM

trexx

These aircraft are from 1942 -3.

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Posted by trexx on Thursday, March 6, 2008 8:25 PM

Whoa! Never even heard of it!

Incredible!

What year are we talkin' ?

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Posted by telsono on Thursday, March 6, 2008 7:32 PM

Cardshark -

Italy had the Savoia-Marchetti SM 91 which was armed with 5 2omm cannon (3 in the nose and one in each wing root). The SM92 followed the design of twin booms but despensed with the central cockpit having it moved to one of the booms. That was armed with 2x 20mm cannon in the leading wing root  a third in the starboard airscrew hub and 5 x 12.7mm machineguns. A third similar design to the SM 92 was by a different company, the Caproni Bergamaschi 380 armed with 4x20mm cannon and 2x12.7mm machine guns.

I remembered seeing these birds in my trusty copy of "Italian civil and Military Aircraft" by Jonathan Thompson.

SM 91

Image:Sm91.jpg

 SM92Image:Sm92.jpg

 

http://worldatwar.net/chandelle/v3/v3n1/italtwin.html

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Posted by cardshark_14 on Thursday, March 6, 2008 5:47 PM

Thanks guys! Big Smile [:D]

Okay, during WWII, an Axis power played with a layout extremely similar to that of a P-38. Though none were put into production, three different designs had prototypes built that had very heavy armament...

What were they?

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Posted by trexx on Thursday, March 6, 2008 2:39 PM

son-of-a-beeauch!

Good job, Card_shark! Smile [:)]

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Posted by bondoman on Wednesday, March 5, 2008 11:20 PM

Good job, man! Jonatan Netanyahu was the leader of the commandos, and the only Israeli soldier to lose his life. They were escorted by F-4s as far as the coast of Africa, and achieved total surprise, rescuing all but one hostage who was in a hospital in Entebbe.

Isradecals makes a fine set for the mission "First into Entebbe" which also includes the 103 Elephant squadron, all C-130s.

C-shark your turn.

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Posted by cardshark_14 on Wednesday, March 5, 2008 6:24 PM

IAF 131 Squadron 'Yellow Birds'

Back in the 70's ,the Israelis used an older C-130, (maybe an 'H' model?) to carry commandos to Uganda to liberate a hijacked airliner.

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Posted by trexx on Wednesday, March 5, 2008 5:54 PM
 bondoman wrote:

Identify this Squadron insignia:

 

Hmmm...

 The logo art resembles a C-130 Hercules... tail portion...

The CIA rescued the Dali Lama using a C-130 and some Tibetian secret agents...

But you're in San Franscisco and "In a foriegn country" fries that guess. Unless the Tibetians have their own C-130 I'm wondering.... 

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Posted by bondoman on Wednesday, March 5, 2008 1:05 PM
It's a transportation squadron in a foreign country, very famous for one incident.
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Posted by bondoman on Monday, March 3, 2008 8:18 PM

Identify this Squadron insignia:

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Posted by cardshark_14 on Monday, March 3, 2008 3:58 PM
Haha, sorry about jumping the gun on Brews, Chris.  I didn't realize that wasn't the new question.  Bondo, what have you got for us?
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Posted by Brews on Monday, March 3, 2008 3:53 PM
 chris hall wrote:

 Brews wrote:
They both failed to go supersonic!

Saro ... something or other ... maybe. Headphones [{(-_-)}]

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Posted by trexx on Monday, March 3, 2008 3:45 PM
 chris hall wrote:

Yes, there isn't much doubt among informed students of the subject that sending a message to Stalin was as least as important a reason for going ahead with the nuclear strikes as bringing the war to a rapid end, so as to save American lives by removing the need for an invasion. Also, stopping his advances into China and onto the northeren  islands of Japan.

I wasn't as if, by Summer 1945, with B-29s flying freely over the Japanese Home Islands, the Japanese navy and merchant marine at the bottom of the sea, and US battleships and heavy cruisers sailing up and down the Japanese coast, firing at any suitable target they came across, that Japan was a threat to international security any more. Like I said, it was only a matter of time before they would have been starved into submission. The USN succeeded where the Kriegsmarine (only just) failed.

Anyway, we're waddling way off topic...Airplane questions, remember!

Bondo's turn.

Cheers,

Chris.

 

Just a friendly reminder: The Twentieth Air Force RAN OUT OF MILITARY TAGETS TO DESTROY in Japan. After that, they switched to civilian targets. Tokyo was bombed with incendiaries. It was the largest and hottest fire in the history of mankind. They still did not give up. Over 100,000 civilians were killed in a SINGLE RAID. To suggest the main reason for nuking them was to "scare the Russians" is convoluted-conspiracy jibberish. Any beneficial diplomatic posturing was serendipity at worst and a minor supporting argument at best.

 

 

Uhhh... What was the question? He, he, he...

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Posted by chris hall on Monday, March 3, 2008 1:19 PM

Yes, there isn't much doubt among informed students of the subject that sending a message to Stalin was as least as important a reason for going ahead with the nuclear strikes as bringing the war to a rapid end, so as to save American lives by removing the need for an invasion. Also, stopping his advances into China and onto the northeren  islands of Japan.

I wasn't as if, by Summer 1945, with B-29s flying freely over the Japanese Home Islands, the Japanese navy and merchant marine at the bottom of the sea, and US battleships and heavy cruisers sailing up and down the Japanese coast, firing at any suitable target they came across, that Japan was a threat to international security any more. Like I said, it was only a matter of time before they would have been starved into submission. The USN succeeded where the Kriegsmarine (only just) failed.

Anyway, we're waddling way off topic...Airplane questions, remember!

Bondo's turn.

Cheers,

Chris.

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Posted by davros on Monday, March 3, 2008 12:56 PM
It is highly likely that the nuclear strikes were carried out more with the intention of frightening the Russians rather than defeating Japan. Don't forget that Berlin had fallen and Germany was defeated at the time. It would have been hard to stop Russia if it had chosen to continue its advance to take over the rest of Europe. The signal sent by those two bombs must, surely, have been taken into account by Russia's leaders.
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Posted by chris hall on Monday, March 3, 2008 8:06 AM

 wdolson2 wrote:
 

 If the war had lasted another year they may have gotten some jet fighters operational, though their industry was pretty disrupted by 1945.  Not only did the B-29 raids do a lot of damage, but a major earthquake in late 44 shut down some factories too.

 Bill

Plus, there was the small matter of US submarines swimming all round the Japanese coast, and cutting off supplies of oil and food. Most sources suggest that, regardless of the nuclear strikes,  Japan would have been starved into submission long before they could have got any jet aircraft operational.

Cheers,

Chris.

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Posted by wdolson2 on Monday, March 3, 2008 7:06 AM
 chris hall wrote:

There was, of course, also a Japanese jet, albeit that it was a more-or-less copy of the Me.262, and an Italian jet of sorts, but these don't fit the criteria either.

Cheers,

Chris.

and what's all this about furry fish? Certain parties are keen to know!

 The Kikka looked like an Me-262, but it really was an all new airplane.  It pwas probably influenced by the Me-262 design, but the sub with the Me-262 documents was sunk en route to Japan.

 The Kikka was actually somewhat smaller than the German plane and had domestically produced engines that probably borrowed some technology from the German designs.

I did a bit of research on the plane a couple of years ago.  A rather interesting parallel development.  The Japanese also had plans to re-engine the pusher prop J7W Shinden with a jet engine too.

 If the war had lasted another year they may have gotten some jet fighters operational, though their industry was pretty disrupted by 1945.  Not only did the B-29 raids do a lot of damage, but a major earthquake in late 44 shut down some factories too.

 Bill

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Posted by chris hall on Monday, March 3, 2008 4:29 AM

Sea Dart it is. Never achieved its design max speed of 825 mph, but did go supesonic, at high altitude,on 3 August 1954, in a shallow dive. With better engines and the fuselage re-designed according to area rule principles, might well have been able to do so in level flight, too.

Bonus points only, though, Cardshark!

Cheers,

Chris.

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Posted by cardshark_14 on Monday, March 3, 2008 4:06 AM
How's about the SeaDart?
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Posted by chris hall on Monday, March 3, 2008 2:11 AM

 Brews wrote:
They both failed to go supersonic!

Tongue [:P]Propeller [8-]Sign - With Stupid [#wstupid]

OK, specially for you, Bruce - name me a supersonic flying boat!

And no, a model of the Supermarine Waddler, aboard a Concorde, doesn't count!

Cheers,

Chris.

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Posted by chris hall on Monday, March 3, 2008 2:08 AM
 bondoman wrote:

They are both silver.

They were both designed by Kurt Tank:

The HF-24 and the FW-44

That's right! Your turn, Bondo!

Cheers,

Chris.

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Posted by Brews on Monday, March 3, 2008 1:18 AM
They both failed to go supersonic!
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Posted by bondoman on Monday, March 3, 2008 12:32 AM

They are both silver.

They were both designed by Kurt Tank:

The HF-24 and the FW-44

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Posted by chris hall on Monday, March 3, 2008 12:00 AM

Don't take it too bad, Congo - could happen to anyone - may I introduce you to the spaghetti tree:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/april/1/newsid_2819000/2819261.stm

? Smile [:)]

Meanwhile, something easy (I hope) to get things re-started. What do these two aircraft:

have in common?

Cheers,

Chris.

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Posted by congo79 on Sunday, March 2, 2008 7:21 PM

Well, the refrences actually said two BMW-003 engines, and that the pilot ejected. When i read about it for the first time /some 14 years ago/ i was thinking that it`s some kind of joke in the Luft 46 style, but later i read an article in a russian magazine /with the same photos in the link i gave/ which said that the russians found part of the documentation for the plane. But the date April 1st really does make one wonder, true or false, so it`s really possible that i`m one of those fools who believed in an april fool. If it`s just a joke, sorry guys, it`s my fault.

PS. I think it`s fare some of you to give the next question.

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Posted by Brews on Sunday, March 2, 2008 4:32 PM
It must have had an ejection seat, too. You couldn't be expected to bale out and not get sucked into one of the engines, or else hit your head on the tail. A downward-firing seat like the early F-104s, maybe.
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Posted by chris hall on Sunday, March 2, 2008 3:26 PM

Hmmm...shot down on April 1st 1945, you say? May I introduce you to the Vernal Lantern Fish,

http://swanageview.blogspot.com/2007/04/vernal-lantern-fish.html

which spawn only once a year, also on April 1st? Propeller [8-]

Did it not strike you as strange that the sources you relied on had detailed information about the aircraft's weapons, but nothing about the power plants used? That it didn't strike you as unlikely that either BMW or Jumo supplied jet engines (cutting edge technology in the early - mid 1940s, remember) to a sketchily-documented Hungarian-designed turbojet-powered attack aircraft project? Or that a country under German control in the early - mid 1940s undertook a secret, independent jet engine programme, somehow getting hold of the strategically important materials and components, without any records being discovered by either the Brits, Americans or the Soviets?

Oh, and can I draw your attention to the comment on Unicraft's website, on the page describing their model of this plane:

http://www.geocities.com/unicraftmodels/on/kameleon/kameleon.htm

Please note: this aircraft is believed to be fictional only

Whistling [:-^]Propeller [8-]Banged Head [banghead]

Hmmm...

Cheers,

Chris.

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Posted by congo79 on Sunday, March 2, 2008 3:05 PM

Ok, i will give the answer, but i don`t have any info in english /in the net i found it in hungarian and i also have some info in russian and bulgarian/. The plane i was asking for is XNI-02 "Kameleon". It was designed by the hungarian ing. Paul Nemesh in 1944. The plane was build from a Mustang body and Stuka wings. The Kameleon was armed with 2 MK-103 30 mm guns, 2 moveable MG-131`s put in the place of the Mustangs radiator and 4 WGr-210 rockets. The plane was supposed to have a few different roles: trainer, rece, attack and night fighter. I first read about it in 1994. Here is the link to the hungarian feature http://zsoltmilitary.tar.hu/kameleon.htm

Oh, and the last thing i forgot, Unicraft /Ukrain/ makes a resin conversion for this plane in 1/72.

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