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Posted by Bockscar on Wednesday, July 27, 2011 7:44 PM

Well, until the cops get here.....you are right.....maybe dead by then...lol....

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Wednesday, July 27, 2011 3:33 PM

Bockscar

Hans:

You have way more 'sperience dealing with the public that I have....lol.....

My "public" ranged from Paratroopers and Rangers to 1%ers and everything in between...

Plenty of fights, and some that I was actually NOT involved in happened, too... Once I got 'em out the door, I didn't care what happened.. Only had one homicide though, and it was between two 1%ers, and it actually happened out back, so it wasn't that big a deal...   

It's the only business I ever found where "The Customer is always right" doesn't apply...

 

 

 

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:30 PM

Haha, I wont show up with a beer, I dont drink at all.

I havent went yet, I am going to go soon though, I was waiting for that heat wave to break.

 

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Posted by The Navigator on Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:07 PM

So Smeagol, what happened? Did you call, interview,...the world wonders....Hmm

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Posted by Bockscar on Monday, July 25, 2011 7:04 PM

So, a happy bar here in Toronto has called 'last call'.

This 50's but very svelt lady likes the band, and they are playing for another hour or more.

She is no stranger to booze, and has dutifully lined up about 6 beers on her table.

What a siren.

About tens minutes into the last call, a big dude in leather walks in, all big and MR MAN.

The bartender tells him last call was called. So what does MR MAN do? He see's this lady's beers, walks over to her and ANNOUNCES, fingers all splayed and pointed down, THOSE ARE MY BEERS!!!

Little 100 pound 50 year old couger says, **** ***, so he throws out a hand to grab her round her collar.

What does she do???

While he is all impressed on his ability to terrorize her, she hooks him in the eyes with the beer glass she was drinking from.

So hard the rim snapped and he had an eye-ball a danglin......

She walked away, he was carried out, crying little baby.......

Oh yeah, I know it gets worse, a few o' those up my sleeve......lol....

Mind you, the crap on the boarder makes this look like a bed time story....

Smeags: for gosh sakes guy, do not show up with a beer!...lol...only sh***n ya!Devil

 

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Posted by Bockscar on Monday, July 25, 2011 6:11 PM

Hans:

You have way more 'sperience dealing with the public that I have....lol.....

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Saturday, July 23, 2011 11:40 AM

I wanted to name the first bar, "Texas Center for Alcohol Abuse", (think of the T-shirt, shot glass, coozie, and beer mug sales!) but the TABC didn't think it was funny....  So I named it "Fall Inn", since it was a military-themed bar, and the double-entendre was kinda funny.....

The second bar I had was called "He's Not Here"...   This time though, the TABC was ok with it, but a lot of guy's wives didn't think the first name was funny, so... Whistling

Changed it to "Sarge's" after a year, when I renewed the liquor license...   Got in trouble for using the likeness of MSG Orville Snorkle on the sign, though... Received a "cease and desist" letter from Mort Walker's people, lol...   So I "ceased and desisted"... I just used Master Sergeant rank chevrons... 

 I was waiting to get a letter from the Army over that, but it never happened... I'm thinking that I should find out if it's "owned" by the US Army or DoD... Or anyone else... If not, I might buy it...   Like Gene Simmons did with the "Money bag"....

I know that that repo show on Tru TV is using the Marine Corps EG&A (or one that's pretty damned close)  for it's production company logo (Eagle, Globe, & Anchor Productions)...  Guess that the guy that runs the company, Lou, is a former Marine (Maybe about 350 pounds ago)...

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Posted by bondoman on Saturday, July 23, 2011 1:11 AM

No, no, no... I didn't mean I would....however good insight all the way around for business in general. My idea of a good bar at this stage in life is a great cocktail. Top shelf bourbon, vermouth andI bring my own little jar of preserved cherries.

For the same reason, I wouldn't own a hobby shop (snik...) because I would like the inventory.

My next job, "Hey, I tookare o' dat 'ting for yeh". The 1/32 P-51. Mine's nekkid, but I expect it's the same great kit. My plan is to camo the green-light side, and fill out the interior of the near side. Maybe make all the structure out of paper and such.

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, July 22, 2011 11:29 PM

 I would have bought a bar. Apparently, according to HvH, they make money.

The trick is leasing the building and equipment rather than buying it, (buy the pool tables and video games though) then robbing yourself blind, then selling it for a profit....  It's a cash business, ya know... So always work the days yourself (or have the wife do it if you can trust her), and don't ring anything up until after happy hour... Then pay the bills and the help (in that order) with the weekend take, be sure to get in and out inside of three years too.. The IRS gets suspicious of a bar that's still under the same ownership after four or five and still showing a loss...

Oh yeah.... DON'T become your own "best customer"... And if you DO drink, always drink top shelf, but only when someone buys you a drink...  Make sure you reciprocate though... It only costs you 5% of the well or box or 20% tap price to keep 'em happy... And if a buddy hits you up for a "loan" to keep partying, tell him that you'll do it, but it's gona be on a tab. No cash.. That way you get the principle back plus vig, which is the mark-up...  And never pour out a "mistake"...  Give it away to someone who likes it, or is willing, or is too drunk to care... Remake the right drink and keep the money...  Remember, "Once you have their money, you never give it back.."

If business is slow during the day, hire a set of ta-tas  female beertender and make the "uniform" black tank-tops for female help.... A couple tats are ok, but No tats on the neck or forearms, no pierced faces...  The girls shouldn't have more tats than a 1%er, is what I'm sayin'...   And keep the "staff" small.. Tips are better that way, and the girls will make more money in tips, allowing you to pay them less... The grumpy old men don't tip, but they sit at the bar anyway... 

Always open early enough to catch the night-shift for the "Seven-to Nine A.M. Happy Hour" too.. Personally, I opened as early as the State allowed, which was 0600 for Monday through Saturday, and 1000 on Sunday. Ya gotta spend money to keep the beer cold whether you're open or closed, so might as well tuen the lights on and be open... You're the only one you gotta pay then...

One last thing.. Karaoke is cheaper than a band... But if you gotta have a band, then it's cheaper to start one and make it the "House Band"...  And if you DO do Karaoke, buy your own system and hire a friend to KJ for drinks..

 

 

 

 

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Posted by bondoman on Friday, July 22, 2011 7:02 PM

Dang I missed this one. Smeagol you're overhead so fuggedaboutit. Start your own business online. I hide my employees from the paying customers until I've got them trained right.

I like to do the picklebarrel thing too but hobby shops are notorious for folks eavesdropping on conversations. And no one ever met their wife in one. If I wanted conversation in my POB, I would have bought a bar. Apparently, according to HvH, they make money.

How do I get to be called a grump? Been working at it for ever...

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, July 22, 2011 5:16 PM

You are one atyipcal grumpy old *** :)...Ya old coot....Grumpy old bastards are no asset in anyone's life. ... a few grumpy old bggers

Who you callin' old? Wink

I've been grumpy since I was 23 and divorced the first wife...  I've just elevated it to an art...

'Sides, Smeagol an' I been jabbin' at each other since I first joined up here, and I actually like the little snot..... I just don't want him to know it... 

 

 

 

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Posted by The Navigator on Friday, July 22, 2011 10:07 AM

bbrowniii

 

 HisNHer Tanks:

 

Counter help is easy to find. Most retail is staffed by people that just wanted the job.

 

 

And couldn't be bothered to leave their house because it was too damn hot...

Look, Smeagol, sorry if I (we?) are brow-beating you, but if getting a job is of primary importance to you, I think you need to change your mindset. Show some drive, initiative, and professionalism and go find a job. Don't fit your job hunt in somewhere between 'hanging out with friends' and 'surfing internet p*&n' on your daily schedule.

Common sense is not brow-beating. I had a similar situation many years ago. I wanted a job at the LHS and found they were hiring for Christmas. I approached it like the Normandy landings, had the resume, professional attire, and proper attitude. After the interview, hounded the boss to see if I got the job. Eventually, got it and stayed until it closed. Here's some tips from the guy who's been there:

1) Call ahead and see if a job is available. Summer is traditionally the slow time and it's doubtful she's hiring now. If not leave your info for later.

2) If you get lucky, make an appointment and get there a few minutes early. Listen to the boss and let her lead the conversation. Ask pertinent questions (pay,hours, etc.) only if she hasn't given them. In your answers, show her you are the best for the job.

3) Once you get the facts, decide if its worth it. Is the pay enough to support you and those who depend on you. I'll tell you right now, the pay will be low. Combine that with the drive time, it seems the store is a bit away from your house. If all checks out then...

4) Be persistent! Don't harass her, but make regular appearances. Buy stuff and ask if anything has been decided. Remember, you're looking to spend up to 40hrs a week at the place so get used to the drive and the clientele.

You may not like some of the answers on here but everyone is trying to give sound advice. Listen and consider it, even if it sounds harsh and you don't agree with it.

Good luck

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Posted by bbrowniii on Friday, July 22, 2011 9:31 AM

HisNHer Tanks

Counter help is easy to find. Most retail is staffed by people that just wanted the job.

And couldn't be bothered to leave their house because it was too damn hot...

Look, Smeagol, sorry if I (we?) are brow-beating you, but if getting a job is of primary importance to you, I think you need to change your mindset. Show some drive, initiative, and professionalism and go find a job. Don't fit your job hunt in somewhere between 'hanging out with friends' and 'surfing internet p*&n' on your daily schedule.

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

 

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Posted by HisNHer Tanks on Friday, July 22, 2011 9:00 AM

smeagol the vile

I am listening to you, and I'm just waiting till I have a sufficient need of supplies to go there.  I dont like making that drive just to buy a rattle can of dullcoate, Id rather spend 20$ minimum at a go in supplies, to make my trip worth it

 

Blimey Smeagol, you are not even remotely as unemployed as you seem to imply.

You're starting to sound like the kids that want to work in a game store so they can play games all day.

If you are really in need of a job, then you really need to act like you need it. And if the place is really of any interest to you, then the journey doesn't require you to need a purchase to make it worth the effort.

If you require a meeting with the owner, then set one up intentionally so that the drive is not a roll of the dice. And yes dress for it and yes come equipped with evidence you are an asset (resume). You claim you could run the store better, do you have any marketing/business education? If not, then I'd be inclined to shrug off your inference you could.

Counter help is easy to find. Most retail is staffed by people that just wanted the job.

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Posted by iraqiwildman on Thursday, July 21, 2011 4:42 PM

Call ahead for an appointment with her, dress nicely (like you are going to church), take an up-to-date resume and then have a talk with her. It might take a few visits for anything to happen. Also don't expect to do any personal projects, like biuld a kit, while you are working. You will be there to work for her and work on the business.

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Posted by bbrowniii on Thursday, July 21, 2011 4:02 PM

smeagol the vile

Well I have no guarantee the owner will be there and I wont end up just talking to one of the register jockeys anyhow.  If I do see her Ill talk to her, if not Ill get a way to contact her and or find out when she will be in so I can go in to speak to her.

Plus, its almost 100 Degrees outside and is only getting hotter, I'm in no rush to leave the house.

OK, Smeagol, you need to ask yourself - how important is this to you? If it is not important, which your above post implies, than fine. But then stop complaining to us about not having a job. However, if this is something you are serious about, if you REALLY DO want a job, then GET THE HELL OUT OF YOUR HOUSE and SCREW THE HEAT! Jesus, you said you weren't a 'kid' but you sure are acting like one.

This is what you do - call ahead and see when the owner is there and ask to make an appointment to talk to her. Of all of your other ideas, this notion that you'll just stroll in and chat up the owner and get yourself hired is one of the worst. Demonstrate to her that you are serious by showing some maturity and professionalism. Don't show up and act like this is just something you're doing on a whim.

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

 

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Thursday, July 21, 2011 3:49 PM

Well I have no guarantee the owner will be there and I wont end up just talking to one of the register jockeys anyhow.  If I do see her Ill talk to her, if not Ill get a way to contact her and or find out when she will be in so I can go in to speak to her.

Plus, its almost 100 Degrees outside and is only getting hotter, I'm in no rush to leave the house.

 

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Posted by bbrowniii on Thursday, July 21, 2011 3:26 PM

smeagol the vile

I am listening to you, and I'm just waiting till I have a sufficient need of supplies to go there.  I dont like making that drive just to buy a rattle can of dullcoate, Id rather spend 20$ minimum at a go in supplies, to make my trip worth it

That is a bad idea too. If you are really serious about this, then go there SPECIFICALLY to get a job. In this case, the investment you are making in 'making that drive' is the opportunity to become gainfully employed. Shopping should be the least of your concerns.

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

 

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Thursday, July 21, 2011 11:34 AM

I am listening to you, and I'm just waiting till I have a sufficient need of supplies to go there.  I dont like making that drive just to buy a rattle can of dullcoate, Id rather spend 20$ minimum at a go in supplies, to make my trip worth it

 

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Posted by dirkpitt77 on Thursday, July 21, 2011 2:37 AM

  I'm with Subfixer.  Do it.  There is a lesson to be learnt here, and Destiny is dying to teach it to you.  You're not gonna listen to us anyway.

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Wednesday, July 20, 2011 10:38 PM

PaintsWithBrush

I'm not going to look at any of the other responses so my apologies if someone beat me to it:

Enthusiasts ALWAYS have the "grand ideas" for how the store that sells their hobby should be run. Offer to buy her out rather than to be her employee. You don't walk into an independently owned business and tell that person, who put up their own money and takes all the risks, that you know better than they do.

If you think you can do it better, put your money where your mouth is.

 

 

That has been said, and responded to many times, its why you should read forums.

 

 

As far as to what their main seller is I could not honestly tell you.  They seem to constantly sell paint, brushing paint and spray paint as well as modeling supplies, there always in stock of those.  There also always in stock of 1/32nd and 1/72nd figure kits as well as train hobby stuff, those have been in their store through the last 3 buildings that shop has been in.  Lately they have had a large stock of war games figures and whatnot.

 

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Posted by subfixer on Wednesday, July 20, 2011 10:37 PM

Go for it , smeagol. Just do it. What have you got to lose? What is the worst thing that can happen? Less talk and more action. Let us know how it turns out.

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Posted by PaintsWithBrush on Wednesday, July 20, 2011 10:03 PM

I'm not going to look at any of the other responses so my apologies if someone beat me to it:

Enthusiasts ALWAYS have the "grand ideas" for how the store that sells their hobby should be run. Offer to buy her out rather than to be her employee. You don't walk into an independently owned business and tell that person, who put up their own money and takes all the risks, that you know better than they do.

If you think you can do it better, put your money where your mouth is.

 

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Posted by bbrowniii on Wednesday, July 20, 2011 5:01 PM

smeagol the vile

Well there are normally two people working in their store at a time, and at the current time no one ever leaves the counter to help people unless they come up and ask, in which case everything SHOULD be dropped, regardless, unless someone else is actively speaking/asking/buying from you at that time

PLUS they make alot of their profit on trains and such, old issues of Rail road modeler and such would be an interesting thing to have imho

OK, fair enough, but from your points above consider: I am a customer. I walk in the store and need some help. I see two people, one apparently doing something (that would be you building a model) and the other standing around twiddling his or her thumbs behind the counter. Who am I most likely to ask for help? So, from the owner's perspective, where is the advantage in having you there 'displaying' your expertise?

Second point - if they already make profits from trains, perhaps models are not considered to be a significant or important source of revenue for them. I'd be careful going in with a grand plan to 'make things better' before you get the lay of the land and figure our exactly how important the models are in the overall business operation.

By the way, as a point of clarification.... I am not trying to discourage you or to imply that you should not try to get hired at this shop. I'd just suggest you do a little research into how the place operates and where the models fit in to the overall picture before you make grand 'suggestions' about restructuring things.

Good luck with your job hunt!

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

 

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Posted by HisNHer Tanks on Wednesday, July 20, 2011 2:48 PM

For Hans von Hammer with no intent to offend, but some serious laughter AT you is required :)

You are one atyipcal grumpy old *** :)

We have both likely forgotten more than most will ever know about models, but, I have learned one valuable lesson from sad unfortunate experience. Grumpy old bastards are no asset in anyone's life. That includes retail.

I understand all of your observations, I just don't care about them :) Ya old coot.

My local store owner, she knows nothing about making models to my knowledge. It would be risky though to presume she knows nothing about selling them.

I do believe, if all a stored stocked, was the wants of a few grumpy old bggers and their expert needs, the store would roll over and die.

I'm not impressed with your claims to previous businesses. I've known people clever enough to start businesses, and clever enough to sell businesses, but not clever enough to run businesses.

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Wednesday, July 20, 2011 1:57 PM

bbrowniii

Smeagol

I have not read through the whole thread yet, but I do have a couple of thoughts. First, I appreciate your desire and your drive to both get a job and get one in a field you are interested in. Particularly in these times, I know jobs are a tough commodity to find.

 

 smeagol the vile:

 

The difference though, between 'making kits' and what I was suggesting is that one is building a kit, the other is using all products sold in the store as an active demonstration of the products for people to see how its done and how they are used.

 

 

The problem here is that you are talking about two different things. Are you building a kit to kill time, which you would then put down to help customers or are you demonstrating building techniques? If it is the latter, than you would not be in a situation to help customers. Imagine you are demonstrating a technique for a couple of people, but there are others who are actually there to shop. How are you going to do both?

Well there are normally two people working in their store at a time, and at the current time no one ever leaves the counter to help people unless they come up and ask, in which case everything SHOULD be dropped, regardless, unless someone else is actively speaking/asking/buying from you at that time

 

 smeagol the vile:

 

I do find it rude that there watching TV but I also understand that NOTHING HAPPENS in that store, which is a problem.  I would rather have something going on, make and takes, or something.  Heck, even have demonstrations scheduled for the clerks working at certain times.  Like, at 4 oclock on Wednsday there is a demonstration on how to do a wash using oils, or how to dry brush.

 

 

Well, there must be SOMETHING going on in that store or that store would be closed. Alternatively, there would not be the number of employees there are.

Oh There are things going on in the store, just... all that ever happens is someone comes in, shops, brings something up and pays.  Out of all of that the cashiers only do something when someone enters the store (they say hi) and comes up to purchase the item.  By 'nothing happens' I mean some hobby shows do events and things like im suggesting (or atleast should) it would bring people in.

As to your idea about selling old, out of stock books, magazines, etc... while on the face that is an interesting idea, the challenge, I suspect, is to find those types of things in quantity that would make it worthwhile for an employer to pay you, the employee, to use your time to search this stuff out, purchase it at a reasonable price that would allow the store to cover the cost of your time AND make a modest profit. 

Well, as far as that goes I go to the flea markets on the weekends anyway and come across these.  If I had to go out and find them on my own it would be one thing, but I already know where to find them and in large quantities at a place I already go, which is why I would even suggest it.  PLUS they make alot of their profit on trains and such, old issues of Rail road modeler and such would be an interesting thing to have imho

 

 

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Posted by bbrowniii on Wednesday, July 20, 2011 1:23 PM

Smeagol

I have not read through the whole thread yet, but I do have a couple of thoughts. First, I appreciate your desire and your drive to both get a job and get one in a field you are interested in. Particularly in these times, I know jobs are a tough commodity to find.

smeagol the vile

The difference though, between 'making kits' and what I was suggesting is that one is building a kit, the other is using all products sold in the store as an active demonstration of the products for people to see how its done and how they are used.

The problem here is that you are talking about two different things. Are you building a kit to kill time, which you would then put down to help customers or are you demonstrating building techniques? If it is the latter, than you would not be in a situation to help customers. Imagine you are demonstrating a technique for a couple of people, but there are others who are actually there to shop. How are you going to do both?

 

smeagol the vile

I do find it rude that there watching TV but I also understand that NOTHING HAPPENS in that store, which is a problem.  I would rather have something going on, make and takes, or something.  Heck, even have demonstrations scheduled for the clerks working at certain times.  Like, at 4 oclock on Wednsday there is a demonstration on how to do a wash using oils, or how to dry brush.

Well, there must be SOMETHING going on in that store or that store would be closed. Alternatively, there would not be the number of employees there are.

As to your idea about selling old, out of stock books, magazines, etc... while on the face that is an interesting idea, the challenge, I suspect, is to find those types of things in quantity that would make it worthwhile for an employer to pay you, the employee, to use your time to search this stuff out, purchase it at a reasonable price that would allow the store to cover the cost of your time AND make a modest profit. 

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

 

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Wednesday, July 20, 2011 11:56 AM

Hans von Hammer

Just MNSHO, and nuthin' personal, but I'd probably run you off after a couple days, young Padawan... Plus, and this is the hard part to figure out:  She may just be using it as a hobby, or even may actually WANT the business to lose money and handle it as a tax write-off...  I Might agree with with you there except that this perticular store has lasted for a long time, its been around longer then I have been alive and outlasted every other LHS in the area that I know of.  Plus, the owner is constantly changing stock, adding this, removing that, trying to find new things that will or will not sell.

Business owners (and I've owned a couple, which I sold for a pretty good profit) are like Soldiers... They can't stand the new guy that is some kind of self-proclaimed expert and shoots his mouth off about "how it should be done"... While you have some good ideas, they're not "Spectacular" ones, nor are they all that original.. 

I know there not spectacular or new ideas, I'm not saying that, but there better then what they are doing.  They used to do those table top gaming things (they still may) and it would bring people to the store as well.

 I know that you say that you're not interested in telling her she's "wrong", but I think I know you well enough, at least as far as your "on-line personality" goes,  to make an educated guess that the "subdued attitude" wouldn't last long...Wink

Heh, that may be true, but if I can talk myself into a job I wont say a bloody word, believe you me.

For instance.. The "Make & Take" thing... Fine for a club, bad for a business, IMHO.. SOMEbody's gonna pay for that kit, and it ain't gonna be ME... I already paid for it, along with everything else to support it and others like it...   I ain't paying for the paints, cements, nothing, for the "demonstrations"...

Well, I know (cant put my finger on it) some companies, I think Eduard actually, sells make and take kits for their planes.  And I know the store has an overstock of humbrol and other less then the best quality paints they sell in their cheap bin, wouldn't be hard to re-purpose them, just put it as part of the fee to get in, 10 bucks to get in and you get a teacher to show you how to build it, the kit to keep, the paint to keep, and access to the tools you need.  As far as things like brushes and what not go, there are alot of those really cheap low quality ones for sale in bulk which would be perfect for this kind of thing.

Personally, it's been my experience that only experienced modelers are interested in learning new techniques too.. First-timers and other nuggets are happy just to get the paint and decals on without catastrophy...  Until a kid is about 12-14, he ain't buying with his money, and 1/72 scale kits ain't .39 cents anymore...  Parents are flat just not gonna spring for a 40.00 kit that will give them a permanent record of his fingerprints... 

THERE I completely agree with you.  Younger kids wont be spending their own money, and the parents wont shill out that much for a new kit, BUT there are alot of things, like... 1/72nd scale vehichles, figure kits, 1/72nd scale planes, that can come in under 10$ for a kit (a set of figures in 1/32nd, the kind that already come constructed but not painted, im sure you all know the kind there are a BILLION of them, and in so many more themes then we get in KIT form could do a whole room of kits)

Also, one of the store's bigger sellers that I can see are those wargaming miniatures, those need to be painted and the people that paint them get fairly serious about them, im sure a few flyers in the window of the store could get people in for a demonstration.

Heck, my two oldest grandkids (who've built a couple-three each in the past) begged for models from me a couple months ago, I let 'em pick out two from my stash (BTW, they both grabbed copies of the same kit, Revell/Monogram 1/48th  P-38s, Wink

Last I saw of the kits, which was last Subday,  they were still sitting on top of the frige, un-opened... Neither are old enough t' buy model cement..  (And they don't like the Non-tox Testor's Fruit Salad either...) I offered to go get 'em some, but they didn't care right then, they'd get Mom to do it "later"...

Thats ashame, but then at a make and take they would have everything they need, wouldn't have to rely on mom go 'go get it' then loose interest when she didn't wanna go right away

The other thing about that if that there IS a liability issue... One kid rips through his thumb with an X-Acto, gets thinner or overspray from a rattle-can in his eyes, and *poof* you're in court...  Waivers of Liability are not "bullet-proof"... They only discourage a lawsuit, they don't prevent them... Ever...

That is something I did not think of and would be a problem.  you COULD avoid it by not letting them use Exactos and Rattle cans, or not without supervision from the person running it.

Remember the Ferengi's First Rule of Aquisition too... While it may have been from a fictional race, it rings truer than ever in the small business world... I give you My Prime Directives, based (ok stolen from, but that's just TCOB) upon the Ferengi Rules of Aquisition:

1: "Once you have their money, you never give it back"

Others that apply (to me, anyway) to a small business owner, include, but are not limited to-

59: Free advice is seldom cheap.

This is the only one that I want to argue with.  Especially at a LHS free advice is something that I always liked about them.  Bought something new, or needed help with something I could ask the old guy behind the counter who built all the planes that were hanging from the ceiling and he would help me out, or give me a bit of advice to point me in the right direction.  His advice is how I started using acrylics

141: Only fools pay retail.

189: Let others keep their reputation. You keep their money.

211.  Employees are rungs on the ladder of success. Don't hesitate to step on them.

 

 

I also don't care what an emplyee is doing behind the counter when I'm in as a customer... I've been building models and dioramas for 40+ years, dunno what some 20-teen kid is gonna tell ME about a kit... I absolutely HATE when a clerk comes walking up to me to me with the "Can I helpya?" line, and follow me around the store.. I'll say something like, "Yeah, you can help.. Where's the Raid so I can get you to quit buggin' me.." 

I do hate the hard sell as well.  I personally want my space when im buying too, but I also really dislike it when you walk into a place and feel like your in someone's living room disturbing them.  Hey, fatbutt, get your pizza face away from the TV and do your job, this isn't your mama's basement!

I wanna be left alone, to think, search, to get inspired, get a dio idea, and may be there awhile... I can kill an hour in the LHS with not a second thought... I'm gonna look through the books and mags, kits, and paints, and especially that clearance bin or shelf.. "Demonstrations" of basic modeling techniques would drive me OUT of the store, not draw me in... That's what model forums are for.. "Events" just cost money, they don't make any... 100-10-1 Rule applies.. For every 100 folks, 10 are interested, and 1 will buy a major item(s)...

I sort of agree with you about the event not making money, but it wouldn't be a random spur of the moment thing, it would be a once a week product demonstration, kind of thing, at a specific time.  If you didn't want to see it well it would only last a half an hour, all it would take, product wise, is a single figure from a figure kit and a bit of paint (I would honestly just use my own I could care less as long as it was working for a project I was going for)

I DO like to shoot the breeze with the boss and anyone else there too, though... My LHS here, is more a "Floyd's Barber Shop" than a Hobby Shop... There're several guys, two or three besides me & the owner,  just batting the breeze about kits, then sports, news, politics, whatever was on the "Military Channel" last night... You get the idea.. It's a social event, not a sales pitch I'm looking for..

Yea, but you do buy stuff, you dont go in there just to hang out and talk now, do you?

I may have strayed a bit from your original post...  But, while I see your point, I wouldn't pack up the toolbox and ask her "Where's my bench?" just yet...

Oh, I know, I know, I just feel I have a better chance of talking myself into a job here then with the resumes and calls I have been making for the last few months, and I NEED some income... I'm dieing here man.

Also, this is the exact kind of reply I was hoping for, thanks Hans

 

 

 

  • Member since
    June 2008
  • From: Iowa
Posted by Hans von Hammer on Tuesday, July 19, 2011 11:34 PM

Just MNSHO, and nuthin' personal, but I'd probably run you off after a couple days, young Padawan... Plus, and this is the hard part to figure out:  She may just be using it as a hobby, or even may actually WANT the business to lose money and handle it as a tax write-off...

Business owners (and I've owned a couple, which I sold for a pretty good profit) are like Soldiers... They can't stand the new guy that is some kind of self-proclaimed expert and shoots his mouth off about "how it should be done"... While you have some good ideas, they're not "Spectacular" ones, nor are they all that original.. 

 I know that you say that you're not interested in telling her she's "wrong", but I think I know you well enough, at least as far as your "on-line personality" goes,  to make an educated guess that the "subdued attitude" wouldn't last long...Wink

For instance.. The "Make & Take" thing... Fine for a club, bad for a business, IMHO.. SOMEbody's gonna pay for that kit, and it ain't gonna be ME... I already paid for it, along with everything else to support it and others like it...   I ain't paying for the paints, cements, nothing, for the "demonstrations"...

Personally, it's been my experience that only experienced modelers are interested in learning new techniques too.. First-timers and other nuggets are happy just to get the paint and decals on without catastrophy...  Until a kid is about 12-14, he ain't buying with his money, and 1/72 scale kits ain't .39 cents anymore...  Parents are flat just not gonna spring for a 40.00 kit that will give them a permanent record of his fingerprints... 

Heck, my two oldest grandkids (who've built a couple-three each in the past) begged for models from me a couple months ago, I let 'em pick out two from my stash (BTW, they both grabbed copies of the same kit, Revell/Monogram 1/48th  P-38s, Wink

Last I saw of the kits, which was last Subday,  they were still sitting on top of the frige, un-opened... Neither are old enough t' buy model cement..  (And they don't like the Non-tox Testor's Fruit Salad either...) I offered to go get 'em some, but they didn't care right then, they'd get Mom to do it "later"...

The other thing about that if that there IS a liability issue... One kid rips through his thumb with an X-Acto, gets thinner or overspray from a rattle-can in his eyes, and *poof* you're in court...  Waivers of Liability are not "bullet-proof"... They only discourage a lawsuit, they don't prevent them... Ever...

Remember the Ferengi's First Rule of Aquisition too... While it may have been from a fictional race, it rings truer than ever in the small business world... I give you My Prime Directives, based (ok stolen from, but that's just TCOB) upon the Ferengi Rules of Aquisition:

1: "Once you have their money, you never give it back"

Others that apply (to me, anyway) to a small business owner, include, but are not limited to-

59: Free advice is seldom cheap.

141: Only fools pay retail.

189: Let others keep their reputation. You keep their money.

211.  Employees are rungs on the ladder of success. Don't hesitate to step on them.

 

 

I also don't care what an emplyee is doing behind the counter when I'm in as a customer... I've been building models and dioramas for 40+ years, dunno what some 20-teen kid is gonna tell ME about a kit... I absolutely HATE when a clerk comes walking up to me to me with the "Can I helpya?" line, and follow me around the store.. I'll say something like, "Yeah, you can help.. Where's the Raid so I can get you to quit buggin' me.." 

I wanna be left alone, to think, search, to get inspired, get a dio idea, and may be there awhile... I can kill an hour in the LHS with not a second thought... I'm gonna look through the books and mags, kits, and paints, and especially that clearance bin or shelf.. "Demonstrations" of basic modeling techniques would drive me OUT of the store, not draw me in... That's what model forums are for.. "Events" just cost money, they don't make any... 100-10-1 Rule applies.. For every 100 folks, 10 are interested, and 1 will buy a major item(s)...

I DO like to shoot the breeze with the boss and anyone else there too, though... My LHS here, is more a "Floyd's Barber Shop" than a Hobby Shop... There're several guys, two or three besides me & the owner,  just batting the breeze about kits, then sports, news, politics, whatever was on the "Military Channel" last night... You get the idea.. It's a social event, not a sales pitch I'm looking for..

I may have strayed a bit from your original post...  But, while I see your point, I wouldn't pack up the toolbox and ask her "Where's my bench?" just yet...

 

 

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