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Getting your stuff in a good museum,How to..
Posted by JohnReid on Saturday, August 20, 2011 6:18 PM

Not everyone's cup of tea I know but a lot of us do have a wish (secret or otherwise ) to see our stuff in a museum of high reputation some day.
Here is how I did it !
Stand by one while I get organized.

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Posted by JohnReid on Saturday, August 20, 2011 7:00 PM

Why am I writing on this subject ? well nothing bothers me more than seeing my fellow modelers dioramas,layouts or models etc..get throw in the garbage once they go to the "Happy Hunting (modeling) Ground,that's why !
Lets face it not everyone cares or wants models ,large or otherwise ,in their homes.After Uncle Fred or Grandpa Jones is gone many a family is stuck with the "what to do with his stuff ? " dilemma. This is especially true of large dioramas,layouts or collections of individual models.Now is the time to plan ahead and help relieve your family of this burden.One way to do this is to get your stuff in a museum before you are too far gone over the hill.
I know that I started planning for this when I was around sixty (11 years ago)and finally realized that I wasn't going to live forever. How ? well.....

Guide my hand in your work today.JWRR. My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am. My Photoshop: http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/
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Posted by Cadet Chuck on Saturday, August 20, 2011 7:34 PM

I'm about your age, John.  Museums don't want them, they don't have the space.  I hope a few of my special pieces will be treasured by my kids and grandkids, and the rest will probably go into the dumpster.  The pleasure of modeling is the personal satisfaction I get in building them, and I realize they are of little value to others, except for rare  sentimental family reasons.  Most of my friends and family have no understanding of the work that goes into them, and no appreciation for any lasting value.   Crap...Nuts....etc.

Gimme a pigfoot, and a bottle of beer...

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Posted by JohnReid on Sunday, August 21, 2011 5:05 AM

I guess that it all came about for me this way because I had already done the "donating it to a museum "thing years before when as executor of my fathers will it was up to me to arrange for this to be done for our beautiful '29 Beech Travel Air 4000(D4D) biplane.So contacting museums was not a big scary thing for me although there is always the "fear of rejection" thing to be dealt with.
You have to let it be known wherever you can that your stuff is available.Don't be afraid,if your stuff is good and you know it,it will get picked up.Start by saying "when my stuff goes to the museum" rather than "if my stuff goes to the museum" and your already half way there.

Guide my hand in your work today.JWRR. My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am. My Photoshop: http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/
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Posted by JohnReid on Sunday, August 21, 2011 6:48 AM

Hi Chuck ! you are right about large layouts but did you ever think about breaking down your layout into small storyboard vignettes ?(more on this later) There is something about stories that catches the public's and the museums eye.

Guide my hand in your work today.JWRR. My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am. My Photoshop: http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/
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Posted by Tojo72 on Sunday, August 21, 2011 7:39 AM

I won't have to worry,none of my stuff is museum quality Big Smile

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Posted by Buckeye on Sunday, August 21, 2011 8:04 AM

Ditto

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Posted by JohnReid on Sunday, August 21, 2011 8:10 AM

You never know until you try !

Guide my hand in your work today.JWRR. My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am. My Photoshop: http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/
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Posted by JohnReid on Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:54 AM

When I started building large scale dioramas there was no question about what I was trying to achieve.Huge 4X6 foot dioramas only have one destination.
Besides the museum thing, my other personal goal was to model like Shep Paine ,who's work I had admired for years and years.I had heard through the grapevine that he was retiring from modeling and he had let it be known that he wanted someone else to pick up the ball and run with it for awhile.I was one of those who wanted to take up the challenge.
My options were do it and write a book about it too,when it was finished,or take a more modern approach and do the modeling in real time and post it free on as many websites as I could reasonably handle.(this aspect now takes up a good 50% of my modeling time and is not recommended for weekend modelers.)
This approach has been more than successful for me especially when I look at the number of my photobucket hits that are recorded or the kind words of my fellow modelers that are posted to my threads on the websites.
One thing I have learned though is that "you can't please all of the people all of the time" so don't even bother to try !

Guide my hand in your work today.JWRR. My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am. My Photoshop: http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/
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Posted by JohnReid on Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:12 AM

Mission Accomplished !
How do I know this ? I have three dioramas now in the Canadian Aviation and Space Museum ,our national museum in Ottawa here in Canada, and a fourth on its way this fall.
How do I know that Shep approves ? Well ..
He appraised my work for the museum and valued it ,in dollar terms , right up there with what he was getting for his best stuff years ago.
Yes Shep the ball got picked up.....

Guide my hand in your work today.JWRR. My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am. My Photoshop: http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/
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Posted by JohnReid on Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:59 AM

A lot of the feedback that I get on this subject especially from dioramists(word?) and the RR layout guys is that there stuff can't be moved or the museums that they have already contacted have no room for such large pieces.
Have you ever thought of breaking your stuff down into small storyboard type vignettes or mini-dioramas ?
Often there are already, within the larger piece, lots of mini-dioramas going on.Why not just isolate these into a static storyboard piece that would be more acceptable in your relatives homes or interested museums ? With a little creative thinking the subject matter could be humorous or serious depending upon your interests. Later I will post a few examples of what I mean.

Guide my hand in your work today.JWRR. My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am. My Photoshop: http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 21, 2011 11:11 AM

JohnReid

Mission Accomplished !
How do I know that Shep approves ? Well ..
He appraised my work for the museum and valued it ,in dollar terms , right up there with what he was getting for his best stuff years ago.
Yes Shep the ball got picked up.....

So you're the new Shep Paine? And all this time I thought it was Bob Letterman or Lewis Pruneau...

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Posted by bondoman on Sunday, August 21, 2011 1:42 PM

I have an idea, John. Why don't you post your work up here and let us decide.

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Posted by JohnReid on Sunday, August 21, 2011 2:23 PM

I only ran with it for awhile with a few other guys.Now its up to somebody else. How about you?

Guide my hand in your work today.JWRR. My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am. My Photoshop: http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/
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Posted by JohnReid on Sunday, August 21, 2011 2:33 PM

Sure will ! All in good time my friend. In the meantime take a look at my photobucket. Cheers! John.

Guide my hand in your work today.JWRR. My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am. My Photoshop: http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/
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Posted by JohnReid on Sunday, August 21, 2011 2:52 PM

Guide my hand in your work today.JWRR. My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am. My Photoshop: http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/
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Posted by JohnReid on Sunday, August 21, 2011 2:55 PM

Guide my hand in your work today.JWRR. My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am. My Photoshop: http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/
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Posted by HisNHer Tanks on Monday, August 22, 2011 8:27 AM

I have made it clear and abundantly well known, that my collection while maybe not interesting to the family I leave behind, will be worth a great deal of cash if they have the brains to understand it can be sold at good profit to interested parties.

There likely is no museum in the future of my stuff, but I also am not wasting good model buying funds on life insurance (which is an oxymoron eh as it doesn't ensure I won't die). My family knows I am surrounded by a lot of expensive things, and if they insist on wasting a lot of cash putting me in a nice box in a hole in the ground, they can either convert the things to a lot of cash, or be horribly out of cash if they still insist on the nice box in the hole in the ground :)

Now my father's massive collection of railroad photographs, that is another matter entirely. A museum likely would need a sponge to wipe up all the drool.

Tamiya 1/48th scale armour fan

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Posted by JohnReid on Monday, August 22, 2011 9:01 AM

 

My story.

What do they want?

Getting my stuff in a museum was a personal goal on mine that was born out of my fear of rejection.Actually rejection can be a very stimulating thing if taken as a challenge.
After completing my 1/72 scale Victory model after many years of work I thought that it might be a good idea to find a permanent home for it.I really didn't want to sell it and have it go to someones basement never to see the light of day again,after all I had built it as a diorama type model for kids and the young at heart to enjoy.
I contacted many museums and none of them seemed to want just another model of HMS Victory.But mine is different, a diorama I explained but to no avail,most were only interested in sailing ship models that depicted how they were built,antique models,sailors bone models or modern subject matter without sails.
I had experienced this rejection thing before when I was wood carving, I had tried to offer my work to galleries only to be told that they wanted in-the-round stuff, not relief carving like I was doing at the time ,as it wasn't really art.I took up the "in the round" style but this was rejected too because the subject matter was birds.And besides it was wood and not bronze or stone.
So I sat myself down and realized that if I wanted to achieve my museum goal it was going to take some planning on my part.To find out what they wanted I would have to research what had already been accepted, so I took one of the best the Smithsonian ,as my guide.First I noticed that 1/16th scale seemed to be the scale that they were looking for, as most of their single subject model were in that scale.Next I noticed that they had already broken the ice and had accepted dioramas,modified plastic kit models ,and models in smaller scales if they were dioramas.But mine would be different, mine would be dioramas in 1/16th scale that were meant for museums that otherwise couldn't be displayed in your average home setting.
I also noticed that the models were mostly all donated by the builder for the pure joy of having them accepted, I am sure.
While doing this research I had noticed that my local hobby store had 1/16th wood model kits for sale.Their other specialty happened to be doll houses.
Well that got me to thinking, why not marry up the two and call the dollhouse a hangar.I have never seen that before and here was my opportunity to add something new to our art form.
I also quickly realized that this idea could be expensive for me to undertake,the cost of this stuff is not cheap.Luckily during my woodcarving days I had accumulated, over the years, most of the tools and raw materials that would be required.However the kits alone would be a major expense, especially in the quantities that I required,so I decided to buy them only as I needed them.
Lighting and ease of maintenance are also important considerations,in order to make their job as easy as possible.

How to get it in ?
Number one,let it be known that your stuff is available ,network and don't listen to nay sayers that say it can't be done.
Be proud of your stuff and display it locally or put it up on the web wherever or however you can. Sell yourself.Know that your stuff is good, and don't be afraid to let others know that you know it is.Be confident that if your stuff is as good as you think it is,it will get picked up.Don't be afraid to get yourself called a publicity seeker or ego maniac ,if you don't believe in yourself how can you expect others to do so.
Contact the museum directly and if possible speak to someone that has Arts training.These people can be you best friend and if they like your stuff, they will sell it for you to their colleagues and the higher ups in the chain of command.
Think big and go for the well recognized museums first.You may just surprise yourself and get in.
Donate your stuff and forget about money but don't forget that some museums will give you a personal tax break if you ask for it.Even then don't expect to get more for your stuff than your personal expenses,remember most museums are on very tight budgets today. Good luck !
Guide my hand in your work today.JWRR. My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am. My Photoshop: http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/
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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Monday, August 22, 2011 11:36 AM

I just photograph them and then tear them down...  I don't care what happens to my stuff, either... They're just models...

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Posted by JohnReid on Monday, August 22, 2011 3:13 PM

Oh ! that is too bad. I care. Cheers! John.

Guide my hand in your work today.JWRR. My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am. My Photoshop: http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/
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Posted by JohnReid on Tuesday, August 23, 2011 6:46 AM

Goal #2


My goal number two,picking up the ball and running with it for awhile.
When Shep Paine let it be known that he was retiring from active model making and was hoping that others would pick up the diorama ball and run with it for awhile, unbeknown to him I volunteered ,as I am sure many others did.
This may sound like I am comparing my work to his but nothing is farther from the truth.Even today ,I still have a long way to go.His painting and modifying of kit figures is in a class by itself.No,what I mean is his creativity and his courage to try new things,which I have always very highly admired.That is the ball that I wanted to run with.Therefore ,I will just let my work speak for itself.

Guide my hand in your work today.JWRR. My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am. My Photoshop: http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/
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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:36 PM

Make no mistake, Shep's my Hee-ro... He inspired me to become a diorama builder rather than a "shelfer" and his work for Monogram in the 70s was what triggered my "creative gene"...  I only saw one piece of his up close and personal, his Monogram TBD-1 dio, which was on display at King's Hobby Shop in Austin Texas for several years... I was rather taken aback by the simpleness of it, if that's possible to understand, but he captured just about every aspect of the aircraft and it's combat history with one airplane and two figures.....

I've tried to keep my work along his lines, in that "Less is More" area and let the diorama tell the story, rather than mske the mistake many good diorama-buiders make, which is putting too much stuff on, then trying to tell the story in a three-page narrative...

One to five words for a title is all it should take... Like, "SNIPER!",  "The Death of Jim Bowie", "Meeting of the Admilralty Board", "The Road to Damascus", etc...

 

 

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Posted by JohnReid on Thursday, August 25, 2011 4:11 PM

You are right the title should tell the story or give enough info to allow the viewer to connect the dots.When the viewer does this himself it can be a very effective technique.

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Posted by K-dawg on Friday, August 26, 2011 8:11 AM

Occasionally museums come looking for models. The Lexington museum in Texas is one. They attend shows in the South Central and South West looking for modelers to help with a massive model display that they are working on. Our club (Central Arkansas Scale Modelers) got involved with them a couple of years ago at a show in Dallas. The museum representative went around looking at models then found the owners to offer them the chance to work with the museum. To date, two of our club members have contributed around 20 models to the USS Lexington museum. They were hand picked by the museum for their solid build and paint work. That is something we're very proud of.

Kenneth Childres, Central Arkansas Scale Modelers

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Posted by JohnReid on Friday, August 26, 2011 9:09 AM

Wow ! what a great story.Thank you for letting me know .Cheers ! John.

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, August 26, 2011 3:31 PM

I mighthave to contact the Iowa Gold Star Museum at Camp Dodge...  The 34th Infantry Division (Red Bull) Museum is part of that outfit... They're only about 30 minutes from me...  It WOULD give me an excuse to do a lot of Italian Campaign stuff from WW2, as well as the 34th's being a major player in the current war...

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Posted by JohnReid on Saturday, August 27, 2011 4:16 AM

Wow! that sounds like a great idea to me, Good luck, Cheers! John.

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Posted by scottrc on Thursday, September 1, 2011 1:26 PM

Good thread,

There are also other areas besides the traditional musuems to look to donate your diplays, check listings from the National Park Service, National Historic Register, and state to local park listings for areas and organizations that may have interpretive centers in your area.

Libraries and public service offices, especially the local Armed Forces Recruiting Centers and National Guard offices.  I have modeling freinds who have had military bases accept models for offices and their interpretive centers.  The VFW has been a good source for receiving small collections in a organized display.  Schools have also been a good area for donating or lending displays, however, they are becoming more and more PC and will not allow anything confederate or "Nazi" themed.  I had this problem with a display of the CSS Alabama.

John, you hit the nail on the head about going and getting your work out of the house and into places for many to enjoy inthat you need to have a plan and to not be discouraged when others reject your work, it is just part of wanting to get your work out in the open.

Scott

 

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Posted by JohnReid on Thursday, November 3, 2011 9:20 AM

 

Wrong post.
Guide my hand in your work today.JWRR. My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am. My Photoshop: http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/
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