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Posted by tigerman on Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:19 PM

Here's one way to analyze it: Let's say you bought an old Dragon Imperial kit, add an AM barrel, AM tracks and a set of PE maybe even zimmerit. Suddenly, that cheap $30 kit inflates to well over a $100 with all the additions. Now, a newer version of that same kit comes out with all the goodies for $70. Does that sound expensive? Wait, it get even better. Spruebrothers or another online giant runs that same new molding on a holiday sale or super sale and it becomes just $35! So for the price of the old stripped down kit, you get a brand new one with all the goodies for almost the same cost. My motto: Be patient and wait for a deep sale on one of the onlines or ebay.

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Posted by PaperPanzer on Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:29 PM

I saw at a hobby shop in Simi Valley a 1/350th scale Yamato, I don't remember the manufacturer, but the store was asking for 120 bucks. A detail set was also available just for it by the same manufacture, adding that boosts up the price to 150. Obviously, that's a lot of dosh when it comes to scale modeling. What's funny is my Dad is a stickler when it comes to buying kits, "don't spend it all...", I do take this into consideration, but considering the sheer inventory of tools in his part of the shop, and the masses of wood plus all the sheds he stores it in... the price doesn't match up. Confused

Now I know that hobby is maybe 5 times more expensive, but i digress. I remember going to a show and seeing a private vendor selling a bunch of old Monogram kits, and asking for a huge amount of cash. i came back later, and only a few of his items had sold, probably the least expensive kits he had. I understand if you sell something old that's rare or valuable, Airfix's old 1/35th scale Spitfire and Hurricane for example. of course, my pockets aren't  that deep, but the chances I have to duck in a hobby shop are few and far between.

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Posted by ajlafleche on Wednesday, April 18, 2012 3:07 PM

You know, I’m really pretty tired of people complaining about model (and supplies) prices. It’s a HOBBY, not a necessity. Hobbies are the universe’s way of telling you that you have too much money. If modeling is too costly and you want to express yourself artistically, learn to paint or draw.

Price is relevant. You may bemoan a $60 kit but when I was a kid, an AMT annual 3 in 1 car kit cost about $2.00. Monogram’s 1/48 kits were a couple bucks as well. That was two hours at minimum wage back then. Revell started about 50 cents for box scale kits and you could get a 1/32 scale Aurora car with figures for 39 cents. A coffee cost a dime and a quarter could get you a loaf of bread, a pound of hamburger, a pack of cigarettes, admission to a double feature with cartoons or a gallon of gas. In cycling, you can easily get a built up bike for $15,000 or build one starting with a $5,000 frame, $2,000 wheels, $300 each for handle bars, seat and pedals, and a $1500 grupo. Shoes could set you back $500 and a jersey $300. My most recent tires were almost $60 on a half price sale.

Now, do I think Tamiya is justified in repackaging kits from 35 year old molds with no corrections to even the most egregious errors, i.e., their hideous gerry cans? Hades, no.

Our plastics are made from petrochemicals…OIL, black gold, Texas tea, (sorry, I had a flashback there!). That price is controlled to a great degree by speculators jacking the price of crude before it is even pumped.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 18, 2012 3:21 PM

El Taino

 fermis:

Depends what angle you look at it.

From a price per entertainment hour......they're cheap

If you look at it as a box of plastic.....they are retardedly overpriced...even the cheap ones!

 

 

ja,jaja, this brought me memories. Like 20+ years ago I worked for 2 years in an injection molding company making bottles for brand names medication pills and lotions. I had the chance to see how .5 cents worth of plastic pellets and colorant, becomes a 4 OZ. bottle in a quarter million dollars 8 cavities mold.

That brings up another reason why they are expensive---simple economic principle of, "cost per unit"...if you make a mould and have orders for 20 million injection-molded pill bottles, the cost of what it takes to produce those are spread across all 20 million units...

But, if the number of a new-tool 1/350th Yamato Battleships you can sell is 3,000, the cost per unit has to be absorbed by a whole lot less units!!!  And out of those 3,000 sold maybe 275 will ever be built...lol...

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Posted by wychdoctor92394 on Wednesday, April 18, 2012 3:41 PM

I think that today's kits are overpriced considering that the kits offered tend to be out-of-date (AMT/ERTL kits are famous for this, their Ford Probe is still a kit you can buy at nearly 12 bucks a model); Tamiya is merely responding to the current oil prices by jacking their kit's prices, but what really irks me is that everyone complains about it.

I used to run a hobby shop and I'd hear that my prices were too high and that you could get them cheaper over the border -- well, kiddies, go over the border, but when you figure travel costs/rates of exchange into it, it's no cheaper.

Manufacturers complain that it costs over a million dollars per mold die -- it's true. However, after running off a half million kits, they sell them to other manufacturers at nearly the price they paid to have them made.

Polar Lights is a perfect example. Their Frankenstein kit, their Spock kit are from 1968; they've never cleaned up the molds and they still charge 30-50 dollars (retail for them).

Do what I do, exhaust every other possibility for locating them, or make your own.

Also, don't buy that kit from the Hobby Collector's magazine or the Modelers Price Guide. That's what gullible people pay for kits -- $6,500.00 for a AMT Star Trek Enterprise (no scale given) with the orange upper and lower 'glass' bubble? I built the original with the blue version and it was $6.00 back then! It hasn't changed in over 40 years.

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Posted by GreenThumb on Wednesday, April 18, 2012 3:52 PM

I think everything in this country is overpriced! Big Smile

Mike

 

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 18, 2012 3:53 PM

wychdoctor92394

I think that today's kits are overpriced considering that the kits offered tend to be out-of-date...

The ones I buy aren't out of date; they are brand new moulds...not sure I agree with this blanket statement...

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Posted by Tojo72 on Wednesday, April 18, 2012 3:59 PM

GreenThumb

I think everything in this country is overpriced! Big Smile

 

Try another country Big Smile

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, April 18, 2012 4:39 PM

PaperPanzer

I saw at a hobby shop in Simi Valley a 1/350th scale Yamato, I don't remember the manufacturer, but the store was asking for 120 bucks.

Probably the older Tamiya kit. And that is more than you would pay if you headed south in to Orange County to Brookhurst Hobbies in Garden Grove. I picked up mine there last year (before the new tooled one was anounced and released) for around $70.

 

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Posted by panzerpilot on Wednesday, April 18, 2012 5:03 PM

It is what it is. If I'm gonna spend weeks building a kit, I'd like it to preferably be higher quality not only to save some time, but perhaps some frustration as well. I do my best to shop around, find sales, etc. online and get it at the best price. Already looking forward to the next Black Friday sale. Missed the last one. Black Eye

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Posted by Shellback on Thursday, April 19, 2012 12:59 AM

I agree , its a hobby , not a necessity .Todays prices will look cheap in a few years . Whistling

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Posted by Shellback on Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:02 AM

Manstein's revenge

 wychdoctor92394:

I think that today's kits are overpriced considering that the kits offered tend to be out-of-date...

The ones I buy aren't out of date; they are brand new moulds...not sure I agree with this blanket statement...

I dont like to make statements in a blanket either ...................for cripes sake all of that fuzz gets in the mouth !Stick out tongue

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Thursday, April 19, 2012 6:40 AM

Y'all know what I think... 

Hell, I'd bet real money that if, God help us, "Star Tek's" Replicator system ever becomes viable, some modelers will walk up to one and say, "Mustang, P-51D, 1/32 scale, 343 Fighter Squadron, 55th Fighter Group, S/N 44-23145, Code CY*T, 8th Air Force, March 1945.", and then trot off to a contest with it... And a couple will even say, "Well, if you can't afford a replicator, maybe you should be in another hobby"...

 

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Posted by SuppressionFire on Thursday, April 19, 2012 7:32 AM

See it as price / hour of modeling enjoyment.

Ever wonder why some of the best builds are by people in 'have not' countries?

It is because they invest more time & craftsmanship in their models. A $60 kit to some represents a months income or more!

A $100 kit slapped together in 10 hours cannot be compared to a $10 kit built over 100 hours.

If cost is a issue they look at the vendor's tables at model contests and hobby shows. For $35 I bought a 1/9 scale resin bust and a 1/35 scale Dragon 251 reconnaissance half track! A friend picked up a 1/32 scale Revel German WWII float plane, the recent release. Get a better deal yet by holding off until the second day of the event, vendors would rather leave with cash than their inventory.

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Posted by the Baron on Thursday, April 19, 2012 11:46 AM

TD4438

 Tojo72:

Yes and No

Depends,everybody has their ceiling and how much they are willing to spend for a kit.What I think is a rip-off is something you have to have at any price.

Overall,I would say no    Kits are always good bang for your entertainment buck,even that 1/350 ship kit with all the extras.When you think about the hundreds of hours it will keep you busy,and the joy (hopefully) you will have upon proudly completing and dispaying it,even the most expensive kits are worth it.

 

I've got over $150 invested in Trumpeter's 1/350 Roma.It's kept me busy for almost four months now and the quality is excellant.Worth every penny and all the cussing.

I hear ya!  Having said what I said previously about making choices, I had been trying to get a Classic Airframes P-43 kit off eBay for several years.  The auctions usually get up to $100 or more (like one I was tracking last week).  Last fall, I bit the bullet, and bought one for $110 on a Buy-it-now offer.  I'm still looking for another one, but it was a decision that I made, recognizing that I have to give up something else, in this case, to pursue this kit.  This one is worth that to me.

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Thursday, April 19, 2012 6:54 PM

Shellback

 

 Manstein's revenge:

 

 

 wychdoctor92394:

I think that today's kits are overpriced considering that the kits offered tend to be out-of-date...

 

 

The ones I buy aren't out of date; they are brand new moulds...not sure I agree with this blanket statement...

 

 

I dont like to make statements in a blanket either ...................for cripes sake all of that fuzz gets in the mouth !Stick out tongue

Yepper, I agree with ya there.

..........switched from fuzzy blankets to down comforters.........much better.

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Posted by PaperPanzer on Thursday, April 19, 2012 8:10 PM

GreenThumb

I think everything in this country is overpriced! Big Smile

And nothing is made here either! Big Smile

Auctung! Panzer!

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Posted by mitsdude on Friday, April 20, 2012 1:21 AM

The "Market" (model kit or not) will determine if something is truly overpriced.

There is a price point beyond which an item will not sell becasue buyers are saying "thats too much". (This excludes those with truly deep pockets (like a Bill Gates) or are totally clueless.)

Just because its more than you want to pay doesnt mean its overpriced. There may be others more than willing to pay a price you consider ridiculus.

 

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Friday, April 20, 2012 8:40 AM

mitsdude

The "Market" (model kit or not) will determine if something is truly overpriced.

There is a price point beyond which an item will not sell becasue buyers are saying "thats too much". (This excludes those with truly deep pockets (like a Bill Gates) or are totally clueless.)

Just because its more than you want to pay doesnt mean its overpriced. There may be others more than willing to pay a price you consider ridiculus.

 

Of course.

That behavior is evident in the market every day and not exclusive to model kits

 

 

 

 

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Posted by GreenThumb on Friday, April 20, 2012 9:36 AM

PaperPanzer

 

 GreenThumb:

 

I think everything in this country is overpriced! Big Smile

 

And nothing is made here either! Big Smile

 

Badger airbrushes are. Wink

Mike

 

 

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Posted by the Baron on Friday, April 20, 2012 11:34 AM

PaperPanzer

 GreenThumb:

I think everything in this country is overpriced! Big Smile

 

And nothing is made here either! Big Smile

The one flows from the other.

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Posted by waikong on Friday, April 20, 2012 3:44 PM

Baron, You're the one!!!!  I've been looking for the CA P-43 for years also. But can't ever get myself to pay $100 bucks for it.  Guys like you are keeping the price up!  No one buys, get the price to come done, and we can all snap it up cheap at the same time.  Right - lol.  Hey good luck with the P-43, love to see it built up.

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Posted by the doog on Monday, April 23, 2012 1:51 PM

PaperPanzer

Manstein's revenge: My only concern is that the shipper doesn't handle the package inappropriately, I received a badly damaged Roden Sdkfz. 4/1 about a month ago, and they don't allow returns!Lightning

That's OUTRAGEOUS, and inexcusable,. It's their responsibility to package it appropriately, and if nothing else they should refund your money-or at least offer you some satisfaction.

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Posted by mike_espo on Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:03 AM

When you have the lousy 1/48 AZ models Saab J-29 tunnan, which has shape issues priced at 70USD........yes kits are overpriced.Sad

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Posted by the Baron on Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:37 AM

waikong

Baron, You're the one!!!!  I've been looking for the CA P-43 for years also. But can't ever get myself to pay $100 bucks for it.  Guys like you are keeping the price up!  No one buys, get the price to come done, and we can all snap it up cheap at the same time.  Right - lol.  Hey good luck with the P-43, love to see it built up.

Sorry about that, but I had to bite the big one finally and buy it Big Smile

If it's any consolation, I figure it's a small group of builders who want the kit, so with each passing auction, another one gets it, and it might get easier to win one.  Or maybe someone else will put one up on Buy it now.

The P-43 is one that one of the other manufacturers ought to take up.  Or wouldn't it be great if one of the big boys licensed with CA to repop their kits?  From the auction traffic, I'd say there's got to be some demand for them, especially because of the rarer subjects they kitted.

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Posted by mike_espo on Tuesday, April 24, 2012 12:51 PM

I contemplated getting the P-43, I already have Seversky's P-35s, both versions from Academy 1/48!

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Posted by Reasoned on Tuesday, April 24, 2012 1:50 PM

mike_espo

 I already have Seversky's P-35s, both versions from Academy 1/48!

That's a fun little kit!

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Posted by PaperPanzer on Tuesday, April 24, 2012 2:21 PM

the doog

 

That's OUTRAGEOUS, and inexcusable,. It's their responsibility to package it appropriately, and if nothing else they should refund your money-or at least offer you some satisfaction.

 

Well, I'll try again *sigh*...

This time it's a SMER Amiot M in 1: 72. Since the Roden Sdkfz. 4/1 i only go for sellers w/ detailed pictures and description, as well as a excellent online rating.Wink 

 

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Posted by the Baron on Wednesday, April 25, 2012 11:45 AM

mike_espo

I contemplated getting the P-43, I already have Seversky's P-35s, both versions from Academy 1/48!

I do, too.  I was completing collecting each example in the lineage of the Thunderbolt.  One P-35 would be done as a shiny NMF bird, and the other will be done as an OD-over-gray bird in the Phillipines in December 1941.

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Posted by mike_espo on Wednesday, April 25, 2012 1:23 PM

the Baron

I do, too.  I was completing collecting each example in the lineage of the Thunderbolt.  One P-35 would be done as a shiny NMF bird, and the other will be done as an OD-over-gray bird in the Phillipines in December 1941.

Exactly what I wanted to do....just read "Doomed at the Start" Pursuit pilots in lthe Philipines. Lost a great photos of the P-35a!

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