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3D printing makes me wonder about the future....

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Posted by wayne baker on Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:47 AM

Didn't FSM do a 3D article a few years ago?

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Posted by Borg R3-MC0 on Wednesday, September 12, 2012 11:20 AM
"By Bissyboat
on 10 september 2012
(..) I'm sure we'll still see our models come in sprues on the assembly line for another 50 years or so. I hope..."

A sprueless sounds great. Just skip another step, removing the pieces from the sprues, which can only go wrong.

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Posted by Echo139er on Wednesday, September 12, 2012 8:52 PM

I don't know if anyone has posted about this.  I don't really feel much like reading back two pages.  Anyway, talking about 3-D printing, I came across this article that I want to share with all of you... just because I think it rocks!

Injured bald eagle gets new 3-D printed beak

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Posted by OctaneOrange on Wednesday, September 12, 2012 8:54 PM

Borg R3-MC0
Revell certainly thinks so. The Dutch IPMS recently did an article on RoG and they are actively thinking about how 3d printing can be used by them and how this will change there business model.

Good to hear they aren't going to sit idly by and let technology make them redundant (eg the music industry). i think initially 3D will be a great tool for aftermarket companies, but i think the real money will be 3D programming and selling 3D (cad) models will be the market, assuming this 3d stuff takes off in a big way. at the moment the tech is a bit too clunky, but once it surpasses injected molding, it'll be something worth looking at.

Don't fear the future!

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:20 PM

Echo139er

I don't know if anyone has posted about this.  I don't really feel much like reading back two pages.  Anyway, talking about 3-D printing, I came across this article that I want to share with all of you... just because I think it rocks!

Injured bald eagle gets new 3-D printed beak

Cool!
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Posted by Stephen_Social on Thursday, September 20, 2012 9:11 PM

Did you see this yet?

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Thursday, September 20, 2012 9:33 PM

Stephen_Social

Did you see this yet?

Nice !
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Posted by Scorpiomikey on Thursday, September 20, 2012 10:45 PM

OOhhhh me wantsy.

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Posted by patmat on Saturday, August 24, 2013 1:56 PM

No you don't... it's cheap fused deposition modeling (modeling by Silly String), and 100 micron resolution is horrible... I've moaned a groaned about the bad surface finish on parts made with 16 micron machines (multijet modeling), oy vey!

Everyone keeps swallowing the hype from these makers, but few (or none) of these machines will make a part you'd accept as a replacement for a typical injected molded kit part.

With a lot of work, you CAN clean the parts up to make them usable... see my build thread at:

cs.finescale.com/.../155741.aspx

^^    23 inches long & 99.5% 3D Printed    ^^

Pat Matthews

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:20 AM

I understand the technology limitations of the current resolution.

As printer resolution has improved, so should 3D printing.................so long as the material used to make parts also improves.

Unfortunately, I am neither a chemist nor physicist.so i don't know what new materials may be possible in the future.

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Posted by patmat on Sunday, August 25, 2013 10:01 AM

Well, it helps to know not just the materials, but the processes. Just like you can vac-form styrene sheet, you can injection mold it... but which process would you prefer for a fine model? The "affordable" desktop printers that get all the hype are the vacuum-formers of 3D printing... abandon all hope for these, if you're looking for fine modeling tools!

1. In the beginning, there was stereolithography, which is the process wherein a laser draws on the surface of a pool of liquid photopolymer, hardening one layer at a time. Expensive, but capable of pretty fine resolution.

2. Then we have various forms of multijet (R) machines... which have an inkjet-like head that sweeps back and forth, squirting out droplets of heated plastic which is further cured with a UV flash. Most of your fine res parts from Shapeways are made on such a machine, which advertises a  29 micron (~900 DPI) mode... which SHOULD be very fine, almost optical quality... but in reality, the parts come out much coarser.

3. SLS, selective laser sintering, fuses together dry nylon powder... parts are relatively low cost, but porous and gritty, and the stepping is pretty severe. I used this on the cabins for the ship above, but A LOT of sealing and sanding was needed to get a smooth wall.

4. Fused Deposition Modeling, FDM, is the low cost home process... imagine building parts with a tiny hot glue gun, squiggle by squiggle... no good for most modeling purposes.

Surface finish on a mechanical part model from an industrial quality FDM machine:

Moral of the story:

Don't even think about home machines... just order your 3DP parts from an outfit like Shapeways... let THEM invest their $$$ in machines that depreciate and go obsolete in a few years.

Pat Matthews

Matthews Model Marine

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Posted by famvburg on Sunday, August 25, 2013 11:35 AM

To go with the eagle's new beak, the duck's new foot. www.huffingtonpost.com/.../buttercup-duck-3d-printed-foot_n_3518729.html

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Sunday, August 25, 2013 11:39 AM

Thanks for the review;  I have seen overviews of the techniques used in the list you mention.

I don't anticipate any wonderful home machine breakthrough in the near future if for no other reason than the fact that I am somewhat familiar with costs involved with the current technology ( steppers, servos, servo steppers, controller circuits, bearings) , close tolerance manufacturing and materials used in the production of 3D CAM systems.

Buying legit copies of industry standard 3D CADD isn't exactly cheap, either.

Thanks for the link to 

Matthews Model Marine

I'll sift through the threads looking for current information on hardware and software used, though I suspect a visit to a manufacturing trade show next year ( if I can get time off ) might produce a better overview.

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