Who would want to see an uncut video of a build, all 15-20 hours?

Hi,

I thought about this a bit before posting, but overall I thnk my answer would be "no, I wouldn't be interested".

After having watched a number of videos on modeling on thie interent, I'm definitely interested in seeing more, but I don't think a single video would interest me.  I wouldn't at all mind seeing a bunch of videos covering a whole build, buta single video covering everythi g just doesn't seem the right way for conveying informaton to me.  

Overall I suspect that there are certain topics that most builders (including me) might be more interested in than others, and as such the ability to focus on those areas appeals to me much more than sitting through a single video where my attention may stray at times.  And to be honest, in some videos that I have watched I have to admot that at times the person being videoed sometimes seems to loose their attention at times too.

To me a set of well editied videos where the builder has taken the time to think things through and present their work in a well narrated (rather than off the cuff) manner would be something that I would be more interested in.

Just some thoughts

Pat

I kid you not, if Plasmo or any pro modeler did an uncut video of one of their car builds (since that's the genre I like), I'd pay to own it. There's an idea for any entrepeneurs out there.

That Plasmo guy is just on an entirely different level.  I think he’s really young too. Hard to imagine him getting better.  The Ferrari 330 P4 video is insane.

   Well I took the plunge this morning and watched Plasmo light/ build/ finish the 1/2700 scale Star Destroyer......, very well done, informative and reminds me how whoafully inadequate of a modeller I really am. I will watch more and strive to improve my skills however Andy's HobbyHeadquarters " Mediocre Modeler" is an earned title LOL.

   WOW Plasmo is a modern master.

modelcrazy

Yeah Greg, I agree with you and YouTube vids, however, Plasmo (David) is the only one that I can watch for hours. His newer ones where he's scratchbuilding the landing gear wells on a 1/72 Hornet just blows my mind how easy he makes it look. Very profesional production and editing, a pleasure to watch...and learn. He seems to have a new technique on every new vid.

Good stuff, Steve.

Greg

That didn't quite work out as expected. Really good stuff. 7-8 minutes of video that I could easily spend hours with, pausing, reading, and absorbing. How different from the more typical 30 minute youtubes that have perhaps 30 seconds of useful information. (and how 'bout dem unboxing movies?)

Yeah Greg, I agree with you and YouTube vids, however, Plasmo (David) is the only one that I can watch for hours. His newer ones where he's scratchbuilding the landing gear wells on a 1/72 Hornet just blows my mind how easy he makes it look. Very profesional production and editing, a pleasure to watch...and learn. He seems to have a new technique on every new vid.  

Greg

I think I finally get the point of your original post now.  

Yeah, the idea was: instead of watching a video each teaching you how to: prep (sand + putty), glue, mix paints, airbrush, gloss, paintbrush, etc., why not just have ONE video where we can see the entire process of someone who's getting to a place we want to get to?

[EDIT:] And if we go really crazy and not have a time lapse or any edits (except for when there's nothing happening but coats drying), it would leave VERY little room for error.

Coool!  Haven't checked-in in about a week. Nice to see the conversation's still going.

There may be a reply notification system here somewhere but I don't have it turned on.

@Having-fun

Will DEFINITELY check out those videos. I'm currently busy with 3 models, one of which is the Revell USS Arizona. I found a guy on Instagram (pascalemod) who has some terrific ship-building pics. He says he's not interested in videos at the moment, but definitely worth a look at what this guy can produce.

There's also a guy on YouTube who built the Revell Arizona in 2 days for a competition or something. The skills of these people! Sometimes I think they do it just to discourage us. 

@keavdog @tempestjohnny @Greg

Glad you liked the videos. Yeah, there are some really good ones if you keep digging past the usual YouTube search results.

Ohms, you have me eating some humble pie this morning.

I am a relentless critic of crappy youtube videos. I'm usually about ready to go looking for bridge to jump from after about 25 seconds of most of them. I suppose that's why I started screaming and running about my house with my hands in the air like Sponge Bob when I read your original idea.

To confirm how right I always am, I checked out this Plasmo fellow's link you provided and sat back sipping coffee ready to prove myself right (yet) again. <ahem>

That didn't quite work out as expected.

Really good stuff. 7-8 minutes of video that I could easily spend hours with, pausing, reading, and absorbing. How different from the more typical 30 minute youtubes that have perhaps 30 seconds of useful information. (and how 'bout dem unboxing movies?)

I think I finally get the point of your original post now. And thanks for the links.

Great video - I think the GT40 build is just the right amount.  

the Baron

 

 

ohms

Sounds crazy, I know. But I can't help but think it would be such a good resource for people. 

Put literally everything in there except the drying times. Surely the world could do with two or three of such videos.

Has anyone ever considered this? 

 

 

 

 

I'm fairly certain you can find such videos on YouTube today.

 

I have seen several tutorials on how to built an specific ship, I saw one were they go step by step on how to built the ship, they way they did it, they broke it down into sections. In total there are over 130 videos on how to built the ship.

I went looking for a link and found an example at Historic Ships web site were they have a kit by Occre. The HMS Beagle that has over 30 videos with step by step instructions on how to build it.

Joe

Ohms,

Thanks for the channel suggestions.  I now have more ways to spend time on YouTube.  If you haven't seen his channel, try the Scale Modelling Channel.  He's doing a build of the Revell Ford GT you might enjoy.  

to think he's a better modeler now . some of those 1/700 ships freak me out .

on a side note , toms , must take ages to create . even if he was in the industry .

This is my all-time favourite model kit video. Not just because I attempted (and plan to re-attempt) the kit. Everything about it is perfect, from the craft, to the music, to the ambience. I've seen it so many times.

This is what makes the craft so interesting. It can be done so many ways. I still don't understand why Plasmo did the steps in the way he did, but it gives me a lot to think about.

Plasmo Fujimi Ford MKII GT40

@armornut

I'm a subscriber to Andy's HH. 

I've actually got some questions coming up. Got 3 WIPs at the moment, and I will need some assistance definitely.

On a sidenote, people have been suggesting YouTube channels for me, and while I do appreciate the suggestions, I'm pretty familiar with the YouTube model kit scene. Here are three of my personal favourites. Check them out.

Gravity Colors

TOMs Modelling in Motion

And this guy, whom I consider the best I've come across:

Kenji's Plamodel Diary

That would not be my cup of tea. 

I have watched Japanese video series on YouTube on occasion, but I think they were partially time lapsed. They were builing those Fujimi castle kits, I found them fascinating but that was more due to the unique builds.

    Ohms, I also understand your comments. I personally do not have the attention span nor time to watch a complete 25 hour movie on building. If you would like another example of how to do most things modelling related check out Andy's Hobby HeadQuarters, he has a very comprehensive video library on many many builds.

   I have found YouTube very helpful on some of my subjects, short build videos by a guy named Nigel was insrtumental in my completion of my " BUK". I also have found that sometimes not all subjects are posted as build reviews but don't be discouraged...some one will pop one before long.

    Given your isolated location, I understand your need for interaction with other modelers so I suggest that you create your own build WIP and post here, that may allow feedback from the members here. Be prepared for a wide range of reactions and comments and also remember some of us aren't saavy enough to "show" the technique we are trying to explain however as a group things get sorted out. Good luck buddy 

No thanks. I get far more out of a magazine article with well photographed and explained steps.

Is there a market/audience out there for such videos? Most likely, yes. There is a market out there for pretty much anything under the sun worldwide. Is it a large one for such videos? Most likely not.

Now going ahead with such a video would actually require several, because modeling in one genre will not cover aspects in another genre. Modeling indy link tracks on an armor build is of zero use to the auto, ship, or aircraft modeler. Conversely building a modern jet fighter is going to require different methods than building a WWI biplane. 

And as mentioned above, presentation is a huge thing. If the builder is a poor speaker and cannot narrate effectively, nobody  is going to sit thru one hour, let alone the full build.

Forget about videos.  The best way to improve, at anything, is to practice.  Build kits. 

"I'm still sticking to my belief that there's a market (if tiny) out there that would find it very useful."

I agree. There are times when I think I should just sit down and start one, but it wouldn't be one sitting, I would break it down in smaller chunks. This way someone who is looking for such a vid doesn't have to scan to find the technique they are looking for.

I do still plan to do a vid on my water....someday 

modelcrazy

I have a suggestion. Go look at Plasmo

Lol! It's guys LIKE Plasmo that I wish I could see longer videos of. I love his work. I tried to do the exact model he did (Fujimi Ford GT40) with, needless to say, lesser results. That's why I wish I could see a far longer video, almost as if I could stand behind him and watch him work, which would be impossible in real life. I'm sure there are so many things he does that he takes for granted and edits out of his videos, which would be visual gold for a noob like myself.

Look at videos of Sideshow Collectibles. I see them airbrushing an entire bust in (what looks like) a single day. Maybe even a single sitting, and my head just spins wondering how they could work that fast. An uncut video would answer so many of my questions, or save me so much time trialing-and-erroring on my own.

@lewbud

I could make my own video, I suppose, but that would defeat the purpose. I still consider myself a beginner modeler, and so my video would only be of use to absolute noobs.

To the guys who said the video would be boring and too much commentary would be needed, you're missing the point. It's NOT SUPPOSED to be a video you sit an watch. It would serve as a reference video. The longest I've found so far are about 5 hours, and even they skip a lot of steps. I wish a few pros could do a completely uncut version. Or edit out ONLY, UNAMBIGUOUSLY the things that are 100% repetition, like the wheels.

Thanks to everyone so far for the replies. I'm still sticking to my belief that there's a market (if tiny) out there that would find it very useful.

I've seen some Japanese modeling channels on YouTube, too, that are very good.  One is associated with a Japanese TV show about hobbies-PlaMo, I think it's called.  I watched one modeler build the Trumpeter 1/350 Lexington in his bedroom-his apartment must be like those Japanese hotels made up of single cubbies.  Built it and airbrushed it, at a 2'x2' desk, with no spray booth, and he didn't spill a drop, either.

As far as a preference goes, for video content or not, I suspect that age may be a factor, too.  If you're my age (b 1964), you might tend to prefer content in print-books, magazines, photocopies, etc.

I know that I can use either print or video, but I prefer a live interaction to either.  A hands-on demo is better for me, because I can ask questions and get a live answer in real time.

Also, I can't watch online content at my bench.  I still have a hard Internet connection, no wireless router, so I can't take my laptop to the bench and watch an online video while I work.  I'm probably in a minority today, but it is what it is.

So again, there's already a lot of online content presented builds, which is great.  If you want to make one, that's great, too, go for it.

I understand what you're saying. Like Baron said, there are vids like that on YouTube already. I usually skip to the point that interests me, watch, decide whether I have advanced past that technique, which I usually have...just sayin, and go to something else. 10 min is what "they" found to be an acceptable video length on YouTube before you start to lose the audience.

I get you though, you want someone who actually knows what they are doing (instead of some 12 yr. old just making a video to upload so he can be on YouTube) showing each step. I have thought about it, but it would be in shorts and you would only see one thing once, like cutting a part from a tree etc. This is only useful until you get to the masking stage, after that, everyone does it differently. There are TONS of vids on what comes next and you need to find a YouTuber that fits your style.

I have a suggestion. Go look at Plasmo

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC53hZgZPlQmKWFRFSpxbSxw

he goes from opening a box to finish in a very short time, is extremely good and puts up what he's using in text at the bottom of the screen, and his music doesn't suck either. Very professional production IMO and not below my skill level, I learn something from him each time.

Like I said-there are already such videos, showing the process from start to finish.  If you like them, great.  If you want to create one, great.  It's not a bad idea to create one or to watch one.  But if you're disappointed because you're not getting the responses you expected, I'm sorry, but that's the way the world is.

Depends on the background music.  I'm still looking for the YourTube requirement that your video must have annoying background music, because videos like this seem to have that.  Also, don't forget that the voice has to be in a digitized, strange accent that will put you to sleep in ten minutes.

Every video will need the cute dog, cat, or child in the background.  Its good drama seeing a tail, nose, ears, or a paw coming up over the edge of the workbench. 

ohms

Why not have a video in which you could skip to the part where the professional modeler him/herself shows you practically & visually how they do it?

To be a little more on-topic...the previously-mentioned idea of splitting up a long-process video into sequence steps -- clearly-labled and described -- would be the reasonable way to go. Even fast-forwarding through the vid...stopping, reversing, and hitting 'play' when something might be useful...is an exercise in frustration much of the time.

Editing (and some idea of real well-thought-out step-by-step presentation) can be a very good thing.