Scale weight - thru the coffee table!

Just imagined a rooster booster being used at a KFC.

Now THAT'S entertainment!


I couldn't even find my way back to "normal" with the Hubble!

I guess I wasn't acting too far off when a friend of mine and I demonstrated psych disorders from the DSM-IIIR for my ex-girlfriend. She was a forensic psychologist.

As a wise man once said, "There is a very fine line between sanity and insanity. I have succesfully erased that line."

QUOTE: Originally posted by gregers why be normal??? what is normal?? if i am what is normal would you want to be? now my brain really hurts..see y'all..Greg

OK, we've included basic physics, quantum and relativity theory, and favorite movies. Time to open up a can of silly snakes and bring up psychology!

My wife has an MA in clinical psychology and mentioned early on in our relationship that, psychologically speaking, there's no "true normal." There's no such thing as a "completely sane" person because EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING ON THE PLANET has some ( not just one, but multiple ) neuroses, even if they're mild.

Just remember that some of the people who think we modellers have maturity issues or are overly obsessive when making sure we have the right FS color are sometimes the same people who start riots at their kid's peewee football game.


I couldn't even find my way back to "normal" with the Hubble!

all i did was finish work at 6 am this morning put on the computer and read this thread ....NOW ME GOT BIG HEADACHE.LoL..BTW that scaled car has to have scale weight and ballance to fall like the real car, which don't worry me much as long as i ain't at the bottom of the cliff!!!. plus do Kenf**ky Tied chicken have that rooster booster on the menu ? also how can the last five minutes at work last half an hour cos it sure feels like it can to me, LoL
why be normal???
what is normal??
if i am what is normal would you want to be?
now my brain really hurts..see y'all..Greg

QUOTE: Originally posted by demono69 Wow. That's deep, Ogre. Dog.

LMAO!!!

I love those movies!!

Ray

Personally, I think that Chaos Theory and Fuzzy Logic found each other in the Garden of Eden and procreated this whole evolutionary thing called Life. The question in my mind now is: which is Adam, and which is Eve?

QUOTE: Originally posted by muzzleflash88 Can't scale time either. So you can scale wing size down to a model, but time cannot be scaled. Good topic though, and the rooster booster is fine as long as you THAW the birds first :P

Don't know about that one. I used to go out with a girl who insisted on watching the daily soaps. I swear the space-time continuum was against me on that one.

I make one little statement and see what happens?

Anyone out there want to dispute the validity of Chaos Theory ( which has exemplified been so well here )? Now you know why I chose my "signature quote."


I couldn't even find my way back to "normal" with the Hubble!

I think this conversation has almost reached the point of rediscovering the Improbability Drive. All we need now is a fresh steaming cup of tea, and maybe a box of Krispy Kreams.

Wow. That's deep, Ogre. Dog.

What if...C-A-T really spelled dog?

Jerry

Yup, muzzleflash, in our full-scale world, what you said about the cars landing at the same time (if dropped from the same height) obviously is true. As I said, that's physics in our real world.
But as Claymore68 noticed, for a scale model "to visually appear" to be obeying it's "scale" laws of physics, we have to slow down our full-scale time to correspond to "scale" time, or that 1/100 car will look like a toy plopping off the couch if you observe it in "real scale." Which of course, is what it is.

So, it's all relative! And visual!
In that case, is it relevant to even consider scale weight? It sure is interesting!

You guys are giving me a headache!!!!!!!!!!

jhulk - your example is how i looked at scale speed and agree that something 72 times smaller will (appear to) travel 72 slower, but i guess speed is distance over time and the problem as muzzleflash says is with time rather than distance, - a scale day would be to short to make any models so we'd get a bit stuck , i think thats what it boiled down to !
the topic was due to the accuracy seen in scale modeling and i wondered how far we could get with scale stats / enviroment ect beyond the kit itself - (only as far as the laws of science will allow i guess) certainly worth a look tho.......

' If you think lateraly remember to look forward'

QUOTE: Full-scale sound travels at what, 714 miles an hour at sea level? So what is that in a 1/72 scale world? 10 miles an hour? So for a 1/72 scale F-14 to visually appear to be traveling at the speed of sound, it would only need to go 10 miles an hour!

I was wondering how long it would take! The key words are "to visually appear".

J-Hulk, TIME CANT BE SCALED. The model will land at the same time as the full size car, however you are dropping them from different heights so I would land at different times. :)

Air resistence is negligible, just do the 32ft/sec/sq for objects falling, regardless of the scale size of the object :)

J-Hulk,

Ask and ye shall receive. For all of you math geeks out there, this is all you need to know about Terminal Velocity. Or, at least the "Cliff Notes" version.

http://www.maths.abdn.ac.uk/courses/eg1527/site/pdf/exercs/ex2_withans.pdf

demono69

Hi all,
- Kugai, thanks for the real picture on scale weight - the 200kg 1:72 Tomcat did seem a bit strange - anti-matter detail sets anyone ? ( postage could be costly ! )
the correct maths is a level up ( or ten ) from mine but sounds a good to me........

- Mer, averything made sense when i typed it

To be honest my 'ACME' maths book said divide averything ( ! ) by 72 and impress your friends...... well i'm impressed by the way we all sound so convincing till someone else sounds just as convincing, i like the 2001 thing too,
- apologies for anyone getting a headache when following this topic (or was that just me) ........ duoo

Yikes! This is nuts!
Here's a thought: time IS effected by scale, if you want the miniature action to match the full scale action in terms of physics. That's why in miniature special effects photography you overcrank the camera when filming, in effect slowing time when projected at normal speed. For example, a real car plunging 100 meters off a real cliff would take, let's say 6 or 7 seconds to hit the ground (anybody know the acceleration/maximum velocity formula?). A 1/100 scale miniature car falling 1 meter from a 1/100 cliff would take less than a second to hit the ground, because in the real world all physical objects obey the same laws.
But to make that little 1/100 car appear to observe a 1/100 scale world's laws of physics, we'd have to slow it down to a 6 or 7 second fall to match the full-scale laws.
I reckon sound would be the same. Full-scale sound travels at what, 714 miles an hour at sea level? So what is that in a 1/72 scale world? 10 miles an hour? So for a 1/72 scale F-14 to visually appear to be traveling at the speed of sound, it would only need to go 10 miles an hour!
This is nutty, but fun!

For information pertaining to the space / time continuum, please consult Steven Hawkins masterpiece of confusion, A Brief History of Time. Great stuff.

I think it was holding the shelf up.

I've never seen a book in a prostitute's closet! Boy do I feel gyped!

I can't tell you guys how much I've enjoyed this conversation between you. I'm not the smartest guy in the world but I did read a book once (I was hinding in a prostitutes closet and had nothing better to do) but I would like to point out that you forgot the "Space/Time Continuum".

Re: The quote on life - So subtle, yet so succinct.
Re: Aviary revolution - Squawk one

As a wise man once said, "If I look back on my life using hindsight, I can see the future." Steven Wright, in case you were wondering.

As for the Rooster Booster, has anyone checked on the feelings of the birds in question concerning this practice? What if there's a revolution?

Thanks Muzzleflash - I thought it was something like that, and I did a Google search for it. Found a few links on the subject, but here's the funniest one. http://home.xnet.com/~warinner/chickens.html

Migs - See what you started? Thanks again though, for helping us think "outside the model". (Or maybe really, from within).

Demono - Yes, time is abstract, yet so is life, and is that a manmade concept? Did WE ever really exist, once we're gone? (I think maybe I spent too much time at Kafka's house in Prague).

Stinger

Just remember: math and physics are not sciences. One other thing. I hated Calculus. I can honestly say that after the last test in High School almost 15 years ago, I have never used it since. And yes, limit equations sucked. Badly. Just keep pushing the "I believe" button.

demono69

I was just thinking about this whole 'weight' thing today. I got stumped on the calculations too, but the cube route makes sense. A friend puts weights in his armour models to give them some density. They feel alot better when you're examining and moving them around. Gives the impression of a solid/heavy item!

Murray

Oh, the other thing.....if I am correct, The rooster booster is the cannon that chucks birds at windshields for testing. Problem was they forgot to defrost the frozen birds and couldnt figure out why the glass wasnt stopping it :)