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dragons 1/35 huey
Posted by camo junkie on Monday, September 21, 2009 1:11 PM

was checking this kit out at the local hobby shop. any good? anyone know? looks great, but i havent built a bird in a number of years now! thanks!

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Posted by HeavyArty on Monday, September 21, 2009 1:34 PM

The Panda come Dragon Hueys are pretty good kits.  Dragon added some nice PE (however both have the same PE sheet, which means the N has a D/H model instrument panel PE) and a few other features to them.  The N and D/H are the same boxings with a few different features.  The N has incorrect weapons for a USMC helo though.  The interiors are lacking and really need the Cobra Company upgrade/detail sets.  The rivets are too big and could use a light sanding to knock them down a bit as well.  The rotor blade is wrong for a D or H model too.  You can see how to fix them below, or Cobra Company has a rotor blade correction set.  Also, you have to know which version you are building and what features go on it.  The directions do not point out different parts for different versions and there are parts in the kit to build an early D up through a current UH-1H+ model. 

I have built two so far, a UH-1H Vietnam MedEvac and a UH-1H from White Sands Missile Range as a SAR bird. 

 

The rotor blades in the D/H kit are the same as the N kit, but are incorrect for the D/H model.  They are easy to fix though.  In the below picture you see the kit blade in the middle (UH-1N or Bell 212 blade).  The bottom blade shows the area in red that needs to be removed for a UH-1D/H (Bell 205) blade.  The top is the corrected blade.

 

 

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Posted by camo junkie on Monday, September 21, 2009 5:13 PM
wow...that's quite a disertation there gino! Laugh [(-D] very thorough and im very grateful. thank you for that! anything else i should know as you are correct with all of it! btw, i will look but is there a link to this after market set? also, i havent purchased the kit but was really close to doing so today!! Big Smile [:D] nice builds too!!
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Posted by rotorwash on Monday, September 21, 2009 7:53 PM

To add to Gino's treatise on the Dragon UH-1D/H, out of the box you basically have all the parts to build the most upgraded version of the Huey, the Huey II.  The Huey II is actually a single engine Huey with a UH-1N (212) tail boom and rotor system. 

  The windshield also has holes in the top for the windshield wiper blades and some folks have found that objectionable.  Also, although the PE is the correct layout for a UH-1H, the instrument panel backing and shroud are correct for the UH-1N but not the UH-1H.  In the UH-1H the instrument panel is assymetrical but the N panel is not.  Anyway, we're probably splitting hairs here and it is the only 1/35 long fuselage Huey kit around.

  The Dragon kit is a scaled-up version of the 1/48 Italeri UH-1D/H kit, so you might check that one out if you have it to get an idea of the basic parts breakdown and such.

      Ray

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Posted by HeavyArty on Monday, September 21, 2009 8:22 PM

I agree with all Ray said too.  They are not bad kits, they just need a little TLC to make them come out nicely. 

Here are the Cobra Company sets:

UH-1 Detail/ Correction Set

USMC UH-1N fleet Upgrade Set

USMC Weapons Set

USAF 20th ASOS UH-1N Detail Set

XM-93 Automatic Gun System (goes w/ USAF 20th ASOS set)

UH-1D/H Drive Train Upgrade Kit

UH-1 Heat Suppressor Kit (Strela Kit)

XM-23 Door Gun Set (M-60D) for UH-1

 

And a couple UH-1B/C sets:

M-6 Weapons system (Quad M-60C) (For MRC,Italeri UH-1C or Seminar UH-1B kit) 

UH-1B backdate set (For Academy/MRC/Italeri UH-1C)

 

Some other nice pieces can be found at Fireball Modelworks as well.  Joseph has decals, ASE sets, and a bunch of other Huey and Cobra sets.

Good luck and keep us posted.

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Posted by rotorwash on Monday, September 21, 2009 8:36 PM

Anything from Fireball and Cobra Company is top notch.  I should know, I own one of almost everything they have for the HueyBig Smile [:D]

    Ray

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Posted by camo junkie on Monday, September 21, 2009 9:42 PM
ok...my head is spinning!!! i may need a few days to sort all this out!!! Laugh [(-D] thanks guys...guess i asked the right people! Thumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by rotorwash on Monday, September 21, 2009 9:52 PM

Just think, we're only talking models.  Just wait till you delve into the often confusing world of the real machines.  Check this thread for a lot of good Huey links:

/forums/809205/ShowPost.aspx

 If you have any questions, just holler.  We love our Hueys around these parts!

    Ray

PS: PLEASE don't get your Huey info from the Military channel.  Just got finished watching two documetaries on the Huey and Cobra.  Jees, the movies were cool, but the accuracy of the dialogue that acompanied them was rather poor to say the least.

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Posted by hooknladderno1 on Monday, September 21, 2009 11:25 PM

Hey Guys,

To carry this conversation one step further, I recently purchased one of the UH-1N Kits for eventual conversion into a Bell 412.  I know that the 412 has a 4 blade main rotor vs. the two blade Huey.  I have also heard discussion that the nose of the fuselage is incorrect, and needs fixing.  Other than that, any other major differences?  I am trying to decide whether to go with an additional kit for the two blades needed, as well as modified rotor system parts, etc., or the Cobra Company set.  I haven't compared the kit yet to the drawings that I got from the Bell site...  Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated.  This will probably be a civilian fire service/ medical unit, or one recentlydelivered to the Delaware State Police.  Thanks in advance.

 

 

David

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Posted by rotorwash on Tuesday, September 22, 2009 12:09 AM

David,

  You have your work cut out for you making a 412 from a 212.  The biggest problem is the rotors. It isn't just two 212 rotors attached to the rotorhead, but 4 smaller blades with a totally different shape.  Also, the transmission fairing is totally different.  You are talking a pretty significant mod there.  Check em out.

    Ray

   412:

From Drop Box

UH-1N (212)

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Posted by HeavyArty on Tuesday, September 22, 2009 6:11 AM

The 412 would be a major conversion.  Aside from what Ray already said, the rotor head is totally different as well.  There was a guy at Heli-Kit News, Michael Kren, who has done it many times with the Panda/Dragon 1/35 UH-1N though.  He apparently made a resin copy of his conversion parts.  Unfortunately, he is no longer active there and isn't getting or answering emails.  I have tried to contact him a few times to see if he wanted to sell a conversion kit, but have had no response.

 

Here are a few of his great-looking 1/35 412 builds.

 

If you look at the rotor head, it looks like he used two AH-1W rotor heads to make it.

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Posted by camo junkie on Tuesday, September 22, 2009 7:23 AM
those are some nice looking birds there. they look like they could actually take off and start flying around. i'm almost intimidated now in getting the kit and putting it together as i dont think (no , i know i cant) i can compete with this kinid of stuff. like i said, i havent put one of these together more than out of the box in years! but, i certainly dont mind looking at everyone's great work! Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by HeavyArty on Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:07 AM
Don't be discouraged.  Those are just examples of what can be done with it.  You can make a perfectly fine Huey out of the box and with a little TLC.  You don't even need the Cobra Company sets, they just make the details better.  I say go for it!

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Posted by rotorwash on Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:14 AM

I concur with Gino.  The only bad Hueys are the one's that never get built!  Put one together and post some pics so we can admire your handywork.  Most of all, HAVE FUN!!!! 

    Ray   

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Posted by camo junkie on Tuesday, September 22, 2009 7:07 PM
well, is that what people are going to say or is gino going to give me the "hey that aint right" look!! Laugh [(-D] thanks guys...i already built an m1a2...but its a toss up between another one or the huey!!! my mind really is thinking huey!!! Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by camo junkie on Tuesday, September 22, 2009 7:08 PM
btw, did they camo those for special forces during nam? dont remember? would be nice wouldnt  it.
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Posted by rotorwash on Tuesday, September 22, 2009 7:31 PM

I say go Huey for sure!  As far as our critiques of accuracy, as long as YOU are happy our opinions are like....well you know.

With regard to cammo schemes used during Vietnam, check this thread:

/forums/1/807331/ShowPost.aspx#807331

There are lots of others as well, but this will get you started.

     Ray

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Posted by camo junkie on Tuesday, September 22, 2009 8:51 PM
thanks r.w.!!! some nice pics in there. oh and somehow i figured you'd opt for the huey! Whistling [:-^]
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Posted by rotorwash on Tuesday, September 22, 2009 9:08 PM

Well if you want to get technical, I'd opt for the UH-1C with an M-21 system (M134 minigun/M158 rocket pods) and a couple of free 60's in the doors.  Something like this baby right here:

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I think Mel will back me up on my choice here.  But I am a wee bit biased!

    Ray

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Posted by Avus on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:43 AM

 HeavyArty wrote:

The 412 would be a major conversion.  Aside from what Ray already said, the rotor head is totally different as well.  There was a guy at Heli-Kit News, Michael Kren, who has done it many times with the Panda/Dragon 1/35 UH-1N though.  He apparently made a resin copy of his conversion parts.  Unfortunately, he is no longer active there and isn't getting or answering emails.  I have tried to contact him a few times to see if he wanted to sell a conversion kit, but have had no response.

I tried to contact him, too, for the last time last year but got no reply.
BUT I heard that there is someone else working on a "Griffon-conversion" (Griffon is the Canadian name for the 412) ...

 rotorwash wrote:

I think Mel will back me up on my choice here.

Yep, wait till Mel gets back and he'll be going "Huey - Huey - Huey" !

As for me, CJ, I'd opt for the Huey and leave the "target" (aka Abrams) in the LHS.

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Posted by HeavyArty on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:42 AM

BUT I heard that there is someone else working on a "Griffon-conversion" (Griffon is the Canadian name for the 412) ...

Thats great news.  Any idea who or when it might be available?

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Posted by Avus on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:04 AM

No, nothing official, sadly it's just rumors.
But should it happen, it'll be by a new canadian company.

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Posted by camo junkie on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:54 AM

thanks avus...but a huey doesnt have enough firepower to destroy an abrams!!! Whistling [:-^] but i hear ya and like i said, i am leaning very much in that direction anyway! Big Smile [:D]

thanks for that pic too r.w., i have to agree...always liked that setup! Mischief [:-,]

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Posted by rotorwash on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 7:09 AM
 camo junkie wrote:

thanks avus...but a huey doesnt have enough firepower to destroy an abrams!!! Whistling [:-^] but i hear ya and like i said, i am leaning very much in that direction anyway! Big Smile [:D]

thanks for that pic too r.w., i have to agree...always liked that setup! Mischief [:-,]

 i would have to respectfully diagree unless am abramas can handle multiple TOW hits.

    Ray

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Two Hueys armed with TOWs destroyed over 20 tanks during the Easter offensive in 1972.

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Posted by camo junkie on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:01 AM
not sure if it would or not r.w. Laugh [(-D] during oif, one took two 120mm rounds and two maverick missiles to destroy it!!!! and that's because we did it! Big Smile [:D] however, im not looking to debat this...LOL. to each their own!
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Posted by Avus on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:30 AM
 camo junkie wrote:

thanks avus...but a huey doesnt have enough firepower to destroy an abrams!!! Whistling [:-^]

My previous post wasn't written too clearly: actually "targets" are not only Abrams tanks, but everything more or less armored that moves on the ground on wheels or tracks and sometimes even by foot. Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

I agree with Ray that I wouldn't wan't to sit in a "target" with an anti-tank helo circling over my head.

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Posted by camo junkie on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:09 AM
i understood what you meant avus...and as far as being in a "target" guess it just depends on what you have at your desposal! Mischief [:-,] but back to my huey... Laugh [(-D]
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Posted by rotorwash on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 11:58 AM

Just friendly banter, my friend.  No offense meant or taken.  The Arbrams is a mighty fine weapon that I would never want to cross!

    Ray

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Posted by camo junkie on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:47 PM
 rotorwash wrote:

Just friendly banter, my friend.  No offense meant or taken.  The Arbrams is a mighty fine weapon that I would never want to cross!

    Ray

i know r.w. i am not taken by anything you guys are throwing at me! Big Smile [:D] i'd laugh at myself right along with everyone else! Thumbs Up [tup]

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Posted by hooknladderno1 on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:31 PM

Hey Guys,

Regarding converting the UH-1N to a 412, is the nose on the Dragon/Panda kit appropriate, or does it need to be corrected as well?  Some have said that the Revell 1/32 scale Huey kit would be a better starting point.  What major changes would have to be made versus the Dragon kit?  Thanks in advance.

 

 

David

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