So the progress on the Comanche is dragging. I decided to build my RAH-66 in flight to showcase the smooth / stealth bodywork. That decision impacts the build in several ways:

1) In my first message I indicated that this kit does not have any pilots, so I ordered two resin crew members in 1/48 scale. 

2) Looking at the seats in the kit all I can say is that they are severely lacking. So I am looking at replacements or just how to upgrade the kit "chairs" if a modified ejection seats do not fit. I know the real ones are not ejection seats, but the detail on some resin replacements, if properly modified, could really add some detail (?).

3) I also mentioned in my first message that the decals are only for the two prototypes while the kit is for a fully armed production model. To fix that I looked at what was available for other 1/48 Cobra or Apache variations. I purchased a Caracal Decals 1/48 BOEING AH-64D/E APACHE Attack Helicopter sheet that has numerous options for 16 different war birds.

4) I previously mentioned I was building the Comanche in the "Attack" configuration. Specifically, I am loading Stinger missiles inboard and Hellfire misses on the wings. The problem is the kits Hellfire missles are very generic looking. Eduard makes an after-market set with P.E. fins and clear plastic eyes that have a much better appearance than what the kit has to offer. 

5) The cockpit panel details do not match those of the actual aircraft. I do have to give Italeri some credit though as what is there looks good, it just isn't enough... again too generic. So I've purchased some P.E. and placards to refresh the cockpit.  

So I'm currently waiting for all these items to arrive. 

The paint scheme on the box and within the instructions call for the Comanche to be solid F.S.34087 Olive Drab with a F.S. 36375 Light Ghost Gray cockpit. I am thinking of making the exterior some other color or a combination of colors. I think that a digital desert camouflage or even a European Forest camoflage would be really neat. Perhaps a three tone black, dark gray, light gray camouflage could work too?  

What colors do you all think would look neat on this? 

Let me here you on this please.





Ben

Wow, what a very unusual kit that looks very futaristic.  That photo with the black paint scheme looks awesome.

Since it doesn't have a service record, why don't you "invent" one?  Despite it's "cancellation", many additonal prototypes were built and these are actually Black Ops aircraft currently being used for Covert Operations inside the US, i.e. Conspiracy Theory (1997)!  These are the aircraft you can't see flying quietly over your house at night that are still looking for Jason Bourne.

Jack

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The paint scheme on the box and within the instructions call for the Comanche to be solid F.S.34087 Olive Drab...

This is not correct.  The actual color is US Army Helo Drag Green, FS 34031.  Testors makes it in both oil and acrylic, and Mig has it in his AK range.

I vote for an in-service look w/the Helo Drab Green paint job as I don't go for made-up scenarios for my models.

Thanks for the info HeavyArty, that will help if I want to paint the prototypes. I hear you and thanks for sharing your input regarding your desire to keep things authentic. 

Jack, I totally understand what you mean when venturing out from the standard Army helo green. Considering they never made it into regular Army or Marine production, I was thinking of perhaps something more daring for the "what if" scenario. 

If you google images for this model you can find several built in different camouflage colors and designs along with the kit or correct green colors. Here are some way out patterns and colors. Does anyone like any of these styles?

Ben

In one way I agree with heavy arty, but I really like the green, tan and brown look.

The second choice of what I like is the grey/black splinter just below

slowly moving forward....

Thanks to all for your input regarding the color(s) of my Comanche. Based on what everyone has said you brought me to another option all together... I am going to use the traditional Green, along with desert tan, and one more color (either a rust/brown, or gunship gray). The way it will be applied will be through a digital camouflage in a disrupter kind of scheme as shown below. I may or may not decide to paint the belly in a light sky blue (still thinking). 



After looking at the cockpit, I've decided to use the kits seats with some modification and other details. The dash panel of the cockpits front and rear areas does not match with that seen on the actual aircraft. I've decided to scratch build them with a combination of sheet styrene and 3D decals (waiting for the arrival of the 3D decals). The side panels will also benefit from the 3D decals after I modify the panel layout to something more in line with photos. I received the figures for the cockpit and think they will be perfect (see below). 

REAR SEAT (Prototype 2)


FRONT SEAT (Prototype 2)


SEAT DETAIL (by Boeing)


3D DECALS (Similar item, from Quinta)


PILOT FIGURES (JP Productions)


Because of the lack to any detail in the landing gear tubs and because I want to so the clean lines in action I am building her in flight. I have purchase three stands of various size. Once they arrive I will know which one to use. 

SMALL (Gemini)


MEDUIM (Gemini)


LARGE (Gemini)


Being a "stealth" copter, I am going to focus on three major areas: 1) the cockpit, 2) the paint/decals, 3) the weapons bay and components. Unfortunately, most of it is still in transit. 

DECALS (Caracal Decals Apache D/E)


AGM-114 HELLFIRE (Eduard)


Next update should finally have some the purchased items along with photos showing some of the work performed, till then....

Ben

OK, Lets get started... STEP 1 The Cockpit



As you can see with the images, it does not have the same shapes or detail of the original aircraft





The first area to modify was the arm panels in the cockpit to better match those of the actual helicopter. My goal is to extend the small rectangular shapes so they connect to the side walls of the cockpit. These flat sheet plastic parts will need to have two tapers. One from the back to the front of the cockpit and the second from the lower to the upper portion. In order to get a more accurate position and contact I removed the little bumps on the rectangular shapes in the cockpit (see photo)



Next was the careful shaping of the panels to smoothly tie into the cockpit walls and then attaching them to the cockpit base. In the picture below you can see the 4 shaped horizontal panels attached. The rear instrument panel face has been rough cut to replicate the photo while the kit panel has been trimmed down flat to accept the new facing. Some of the detail work has been started on the seats. 

The drawing below gives better detail to the seats. The kit seats laid flat on the floor of the cockpit while the photo shows they are elevated and have tubular support bracing. In the second photo the solder represents the seats initial tubular sport bracing and the flat pieces behind the headrest and seat back fill in the hollow part in the model kit and represent the backs of those parts. The seats have been slightly elevated using small squares of sheet plastic to better replicate the Boeing drawing. The remaining (upper) tubular bracing will be added when the seats go into the cockpit. 





Here is a bonus photo showing the upper and lower torsos of the pilots attached and sitting in the seats.



Tomorrow I hope to the seats and the main part of the rear cockpit finished, less the 3D decals. 

Step one also includes the assembly of the front sensor array. This is something that would be on the actual production version but was nothing but a dummy shape grafted into the fuselage for the prototypes.





Another part of Step 1 was the assembly of the 20mm three barrel gun turret which mounts below the sensor under the front of the aircraft. So far the only details I've completed on this was drilling the holes in the triangular braces (as on the real aircraft). I still plan to add hollow brass tips to the three barrels before completion. 





My next update will talk about the remains item in step 1, the enclosed tail rotor.

Till then please provide your input or comments, THANKS!

Ben

I don't have much to show as I am still waiting for some of the "stuff" to arrive. One thing I did finally accomplish was the final shape of the rear instrument panel. In the previous photos you can see the difference. After around 9 pieces for the panel, this is what I'm going to use with the detail items (less some minor adjustments). I still need some fine tuning on the right rear arm panel and the seats are unfinished as well:





Since the cockpit is on hold I started on other parts of the Comanche. After looking closely at the weapons bays I noticed only some partial detail on the inside wall. Checking out the drawings and other photos I decided to add more detail in there. First I started with the panel reinforcement spars by continuing them from the inside wall to the top of the weapons bay and on the bottom of the inside wall:



These photos show the scissor hinges and hydraulic actuators used to open the weapons doors and extend the payload:







So my thought was to create some of this detail and here is what I have so far. It represents the actuator along with some pivot pin ends where the scissor linkage folds. My hope is the illusion of multiple pieces and that the actuator closes while pivoting up into the fuselage while the brackets fold into each other at the pivot points thus allowing the storage space for the weapons:





I still need to create the internal reinforcement ribs to the weapons bay door structures (as seen below), add the door hinges and cylinders to the doors reinforcement ribs, as well as create and add the Integrated Armament Interface Unit I-AIU. I am also thinking of adding thin metal foil on the front and back of the bay area to appear as in this photo:



Actually, there is not much more in there as the payload takes up all the remaining space when stored. I've also added things to the model already like the doors for the front landing gear (since it will be in flight), screens for the engine intake, drilled out the 20mm gun barrels in the front turret, etc.

While waiting for the purchased items, I may move on to the rotor assembly, build the weapons load, rework the front instrument panel, or modify the figures for the helicopter controls (?). Always stuff to do. 

If anyone is following along, feel free to leave a note and ideas.....  

Ben

Been some time since posting anything so.....

Reworked the scratch but parts of the cockpit and added armor around the seat areas. In the photo you can see the engine inlets also painted. They have since been added to the inner fuselage. Not much can be seen of them unless you look at the perfect angle with a light, oh well... at least I know it's there.



In the photo above you can also see the updated seats. Here I added the EES initiator bracket to the front of the seat. Also finished the rear tube braces, the vertical position adjustment handle, the arm rest tilt control, and the side arm position adjustment pin. Here is how they look prior to any detail painting:



Next was to fiddle with various after-market products to come up with a close replica of the actual cockpit consoles. After many modifications here is the end results:

COCKPIT ARM PANELS: 

Prior to the photo above the crew members have been cut and modified many times to shape them into the positiions you see. My hope is that they will appear to be holding the controls and seated correctly. 

FRONT SEAT (PILOT) DASH PANEL:



REAR SEAT OPERATOR (RSO) PANEL:



EVERYTHING:



I still need to touch-up some areas, pick out some detail items with a hairy stick, and weather the whole cockpit, but this is what I'm going to work with.

I also built the main rotor as far as I could before painting:



And to continue from the previous update, here are the weapons bay doors with the reinforcement ribs added. they were created from thick sheet plastic that was cut very thin. My goal is for the door actuator to attach to these ribs as on the real aircraft:

Till next time...

Ben

Looking great.

Thanks midnightprowler, I spent more time on it today and here is what was accomplished:

- added screen images in the cockpit displays since it is in flight.
- finalized the detail on the pilots (repositioned arms/hand, shadows, unit patch, etc.)
- weathered and highlighted the cockpit.
- assembled the cockpit components (dash, seats, crew, control sticks, etc.) 
- assembled cockpit into fuselage.
- added sensor and gun turrets (not glued).
- attached both halves of the fuselage.
- de-seamed the fuselage.
- added the gun turret fairing.
- chose display stand, modified and assembled it.
- fitted brass collar to display stand.
- flared brass collar and attached into drilled out hole under fuselage.

There are a couple items I still need to finish:

- touch-up cockpit edges
- add seat harness straps from pilots to seats.

IN FLIGHT:


FROM THE TOP:


COCKPIT DISPLAY DETAILS:


FROM THE FRONT (notice drilled 20mm barrels)


Next step will be enclosing the rear landing gear, the exhaust defusers, adding the horizontal tail plane, etc. I hope to have it fully prepared and ready for painting at next update.

Till then please let me know your thoughts.

Ben

Very nice Ben.  The In-flight stand is scaled perfectly.  That is just the right height for that Badboy to come flying in under radar! 

Jack

Thanks Jack,... and hi everyone.....

I have been on a slow crawl working on this as spring time and outside chores have pulled me away. Still, I've been able to get more done. In fact I am very close to fixing a couple seams, attaching the canopy and preparing it for paint. Some of the stuff I've managed to do are below:

Added screens to the oil cooler exhaust (top by the rotor), and the port/starboard sub-systems power unit vents. Notice the high and low panel points on the fuselage, this is a problem throughout the fuselage. While it does not have many recessed panel lines, many of the ones that are there do not line up from one side of the fuselage to the other. Those have been rescribed. I'm leaving the depression by the rotor head as it will be covered up when the rotor is in place, but it gives you an idea of the panel fitment.



Added the tail wheel landing gear cover and the weapons bay doors. Painted a base coat in the weapons bay. In this photo you can also see the brass tube added for the display stand as well as the main seam beneath the fuselage requiring some filler. There will be much more detail painting in the weapons bay after the camouflage is finished. I plan on painting the wing stubs separately. 



Started on the replacement weapons I ordered from Eduard for the Hellfire missiles. 



After looking at the weapons mounts I decided to keep the kit parts and detail them with PE and scratch details. The missiles in the kit are no comparison to the detail on the Eduard parts (kit missile on lower left).  





Next was the building of the hellfire missiles which comprised a resin center with 8 separate PE fins, a tail cone cover, a PE mounting bracket the size of a pin head, and a clear nose. After a couple days of assembly, I' ve managed to attach everything (11 pieces per missile, 88 pieces total). The front fins were a challenge as they were not much larger than the tip of my tweezers. I only lost one of the 32 front fins which I replaced with a similar cut piece made of sheet brass; for me that is success. Here is a photo prior to completion and you see some of the small front fins still attached to the PE sheet. Afterwards I had to rework each fin (front and rear) furthur to remove PE attachment points as they were too small to hold and remove prior to assembly. The finished details on the Eduard missile can be clearly seen when compared to the kit missile below.





Next will be finishing the seams then masking for primer/paint  

Hi Jack, thanks for asking and showing interest in the build.

It has been a struggle in more ways than one. With the days getting nice outside I have been choosing to spend more time outside than in modeling (sports events, motorcycling, shooting, etc.). 

I also had a problem with several scratches in the multi part canopy. The clear plastic was especially soft so while I was able to polish most of them out in the process I added some stress cracks. I believe I fixed most of them when clear coating it. I wasn't out of the woods just yet as the canopy had some issues when trying to assemble it in the closed position (in flight). The mold was intended to have the canopy shown with both access doors open. Now that I have it resolved I moved on to masking the canopy so I can lay a base coat on the gunship.

I am torn on which choice of camouflage to apply. Initially I was going for a digital gray scheme, but I think it would be more realistic in a green or desert storm type of colors. I'm leaning on the desert scheme to reflect the period in which it would've been deployed.

I also found a small lapel pin of the RAH Comanche that I modified and glued to the display stand base. I think it added to a more finished look.

Once I get the base coat chosen and sprayed I will take some photos and share them (next couple days).

Till then.....

Ben 

Sorry for the delays in updating this build, but here we go...

Since last update I've added the fixed rear tail plane; added the exhaust defuser covers, added the blade antenna beneath the fuselage; scratch built the first aid kit within the cockpit (see below); corrected the rear landing gear doors (putty and re-scribed); cleaned and filled numerous seams, etc. Something of note, the fixed rear tail plane does not have any pins or reference points so its is easy to attach it at the wrong angle and pitch if you are not careful. 





One item that took considerable time was removing the heavy scratches from the canopy. The clear plastic is very soft. Because of its softness it was difficult to remove the the scratches without adding stress marks in the plastic. At a certain point I had to call it "done". Next came the assembly of the two canopy doors to the main part of the canopy. I quickly found out that the model is designed to pose the canopy doors open. Specifically, the fit of the doors in the closed configuration did not fit the canopy or fuselage properly. After some careful filing I was able to add them to the main canopy, clear coat the inside to reduce the scratches and stress lines further, and then add the canopy assembly to the fuselage.

While working on these items I also noticed that the model kit does not have any indication of the items listed below. I will add them with decal and paint during final assembly.

- IWR antenna near the top of the engine enclosure
- VHF antenna on the leading edge of the canted tail fin
- UHF antenna centered in the right half of the fixed tail plane
- GPS antenna left of center in the fixed tail plane
- upper IFF antenna centered in the left half of the fixed tail plane



Prior to painting the base coat I began work on other sub assemblies:

- I located a lapel pin on-line for the Comanche that looked like a good fit for the display base. Once received I removed the pin, filed it flat, and glued it to the base; here is the result:



- I chose to add the "Stinger" missiles to the weapons configuration, so I had to paint and detail them. The colors come from internet research and the control box was created from plastic stock and added. Once they were painted I added them to the pylons. All that remains are the decals.



I finished the external weapons racks to include numerous pieces of P.E. and some solder for the electronics wiring. Afterwards they were painted medium green FS 34102.





Regarding the weapons configuration, I noticed on some images that multiple variations of Hellfire Missiles can be configured as seen below. I am planning on doing the same to this Comanche.



Next came the masking of the canopy and base coat. The color I selected was desert sand. Here is a picture of the first color along with the wing stubs and rotors laying in place (not attached):



As you can tell, I'm not going to color it in the multi gray tones as I thought the actual gunship would've been initially deployed to the Middle East or Europe. The mask set I started with came from a 1/48 Russian aircraft and was modified (cut) to fit the Comanche.



Prior to adding the second color I applied the modified masks. The second paint color I'm using is light earth. Once the masks were in place I applied the paint:







This is where I'm at, waiting for the second application of paint to dry. Once I'm confident the paint can accept the masks I will apply the second layer and spray the final color. Till then please let me know what you think of her so far (thanks)....

(sneak peek without touch-up or wash)

Ben

Hope everyone is healthy and enjoying this early summer....

Well, I was going for something different and not the standard U.S. Army Helo. green. Initially I was going to go try-tone gray for urban / city combat, but changed from that too. Then I was thinking about a desert scheme and figured that was too tame. So after three masks and colors, removing the stacked masks.... 

 

This is where I got the color combination (even if it was applied differently):



Here is my very different color combination, I have never seen this color combination or scheme on anything flying so I think I achieved my kind of "different": (desert tan, light earth, and medium green)











Still have to touch-up or fix some of the color applications, gloss coat, decal, clear coat, wash, flat, etc., etc. I will need to repaint the weapons bays and finish the remainder of the assembly too. 

Till next update.....

Ben

nice I still have my Camanche In The Box and Srink Wrap lol

That looks fantastic!

Absolutely agree!  Thank you for stepping out and taking us to a new perspective.  Words like "daring" and "innovative" come to mind.

And that beautiful plaque/stand just tops it off.

Jack

Hey Johncopter7, it will never get built being sealed in a box (smile). You should build it to add to your fleet. The landing gear boxes, weapons areas, and cockpit all cry out for extra detailing. I'm confident that with your skills you could really make it stand out. 

I appreciate your kind words John (keavdog). This build was way out of my comfort zone. I also do not think it is everyones cup of tea. Because of that I was not getting a response from anyone. While I no longer model for contests or anybody else, it is still nice to get some kind of feedback for my efforts. Nuff said, thanks for the plug buddy......

Thanks Jack (jrb53).... I wasn't too sure on how the camouflage would turn out, and I'm still getting use to it. When looking for the stand, I was trying to come up with something to identify what it is; much like a data plate. The trophy shop in town closed so my source for metal etched plates was gone. I began looking for coins or stickers and found this lapel pin. Lucky for me its size fit the base and after some modification it finished the base off (IMHO).

v/r,

Ben 

Finally, after many trials and nearly being placed on the shelf of doom, I pushed through this one and I'm calling it D-O-N-E!

While the photos may appear as semi-gloss in places, the actual aircraft colors are really flat. 













Not my best work, but it is finally off the bench. 

Comments welcome (I can take it).

Ben

Yep..it looks right! Thanks for seeing it through.

Congratulations,

Jack

Gorgeous work!  The lighting on the second to last photo makes the lighter camo look very pink; a Mary Kay Comanche if you will.

Thanks Jack. 

LonCray; thank you and that pink hue is not unlike some of the Desert Storm sand colors which looked kind of pink in the right lighting too.

Ben

Looks great Ben!  How did you like those Foxbot masks?

Eaglecash, actually I think the Foxbot digital vynl mask is overall very good. I purchased them from Hobby-Jar (Ukraine) through eBay for $14.99 with free shipping. They were intended for a 1/48 SU-25M1 Sukhoi of the Ukranian Air Force. The product came in four sheets and was easy to remove from the backing and conformed well. If you are modifying them they cut easy with scissors or a hobby knife.

Anything negative was of my own doing, specifically; When painting the last two layers of camouflage I accidentally applied the paint a little thicker than I should've. The masking material also indicated in its instructions to not leave it on any longer than necessary. So what did I do?, I left the mask on for over three weeks ensuring each color coating was totally dry prior to applying the next layer of mask then paint. I used enamel paints but I bet if you would airbrush acrylics they would work perfect.

Ben 

Good to know, Ben.  I have the 1/32 version of those masks that I also got from a guy in Ukraine through Ebay.  Still a dauntingly long distance to go on my Su-25M1 before I'm ready to use them, so its good to know that they work well.  Using MRP acrylic lacquers that fully cure in less than an hour, so it should go pretty smoothly in that regard.  Just trying to wrap my brain around what masks go on and when.  Its my first time using camo masks that somebody else designed.

BTW, just so you're aware, I get an error message when I click on your pics to try to see them bigger.  Not sure if other guys are having the same issue.

Eaglecash, thanks for letting me know about the image issue. I'll look at my setting in Imgur to see if I can change that (?)...

WOW that was quick! Evidently, once an image is edited and saved in Imgur, the original is replaced by the new edited image. This means the original file is deleted to make way for the newly edited version and this cannot be undone. 

Also, when I load an image to the forum I choose the "large thumbnail" option and not the original image. Perhaps that has something to do with fixing the size? Next time I will use the "original" and not large thumbnail for image size and see if that would allow everyone to enlarge it(?).

Ben