Katrina and the helicopter

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, October 15, 2005 5:16 PM

Thats a good program . It really shows you some of what the crews delt with.
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DPD1

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Posted by DPD1 on Saturday, October 15, 2005 5:05 PM

There's a show that I think is on Discovery called "SOS Coast Guard" or something like that. They had an episode following a few H-60 crews while they were rescuing people in LA. One crew apparently went right to work when they first flew in, and when they realized how many people were on the roofs, you could tell they were a little freaked out by it. It was interesting hearing the comms between the crew while they were figuring out how they were going to do things. You start to realize how much more complicated it is, then they make it look.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, October 15, 2005 7:30 AM

Anyway its amazing how many people are rescued by the use of helo's. I think most people take it for granted anymore.
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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 14, 2005 3:34 PM

QUOTE: just trying to keep the site relevant to modeling. Plenty of chat boards and forums out there for pilots and helos as well. Since it is a modeling site, lets stick to modeling relevant issues.

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Duke Maddog

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From: Rowland Heights, California

Posted by Duke Maddog on Saturday, September 17, 2005 2:22 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by GeejeeZ

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Looks like your prayers have been heard Big Smile [:D]

Whirlybird just pre-announced a conversion set and decals for the LAPD SeaKing (source: HeliKitNews).

Errr.. LA County Sheriff that is. Not LAPD.

It's about time! I've been wanting to model that one for awhile! I hope they also come out in 1/72 scale.

Trigger

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Posted by Trigger on Friday, September 16, 2005 1:49 PM

Nikon1
- Ah! Gotcha. Too little sleep make me..... huh? What were talking about?

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Screaminhelo

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Posted by Screaminhelo on Friday, September 16, 2005 1:18 PM

Just got back from New Orleans.

Things are much quieter down there now. The first day that I was in the TFR was the 7th. It was much quieter than the previous five days with only about 25 helos over the city at one time. The guys who got there on the 2nd said that there were thirty-five or more in the area at any given time. It was pretty confusing for a few days and we got a workout in the back no matter what our mission was jus looking out for traffic.

I don't see how those folks will ever be able to rebuild, 80% of the city was flooded with some of the nastiest water that I have ever smelled. Once areas began drying out, the city began to smell like death. Anyone who decides to try and rebuild has a VERY long road ahead of them.

Trigger-
Even though it is apples to Saigon's oranges, one of our crews evacuated over 400 people in one day. I'm certian that there were many more who did the same in those first few days.

Jon-
Hats off to the -47 crews they worked tirelessly slinging 30k sandbags to plug the breaches in the levies. I don't know if any of the 104th crews were a part of that, but it wouldn't surprise me at all. I think that all of the -47's got a turn at that one.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 5:53 PM

Trigger74, I'm just saying that your rendering looked like what I saw on MSNBC, not comparing.
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grandadjohn

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Posted by grandadjohn on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:01 PM

Think it should be noted that all American helo's used in the evaucation of Siagon came from Navy ship's and none of those were pushed overboard. Only those helo's flown by the South Vietnamese were pushed overboard or crash-landed in the water. That was done because the carriers used did not have the space to store them and remain able to have air opns. Three exceptions to this(that I am aware of) are the UH-1 flown by Premier Ky(it was his personal a/c) and an O-1 landed on a carrier, those two aircraft were last at the US Naval Aviation Museum in Pensacola, and those helo's flown by Air America(I don't know the fate of those)

Trigger

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Posted by Trigger on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 8:31 PM

Nikon1
- What's that, a comparison between the two?

Gino
- Yeah, I'm definately comparing apples to oranges with this. While the evacuation of New Orleans may not involve as many airframes, it could possibly involve moving more people. That's just it - I don't know, but I was curious.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 5:38 PM

Trigger74, that's exactly what I saw on the MSNBC
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HeavyArty

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Posted by HeavyArty on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 5:30 PM

Grant,
Not sure which will have a larger total # of people airlifted once Katrina is all over, but the are totally different ops.

Operation Frequent Wind (evac of Siagon) was a NEO (Non-combatant Evacuation Op) where IDed people reported to collection centers and the helos were ferrying passengers from shore to ship like busses. It was a constant flow of helos for something like 12 hours straight. There were so many helos going to the ships that many had to be dumped overboard to make room for more on deck.

More info on Frequent Wind: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/frequent_wind.htm
http://www.midwaysailor.com/midwayfreqwind/
http://ships.bouwman.com/Navy/SubicBay/FREQUENT-WIND.html

Katrina is going to be a long, drawn out SAR Op that may end up involving more people evacuated, but over a much longer time period. Maybe more or less sorties once it is all done. Only time will tell.

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Trigger

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Posted by Trigger on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 4:52 PM

I didn't think about this until just now, but with the exception of the Dolphin and Black Hawk (and it's derivatives), many of the same basic types used to evacuate Saigon are being used today in New Orleans.

So while the types used is a factor, I'm not sure that's a make-or-break factor in this. However, your point is still valid: I may be comparing apples to oranges here, given the duration of the two events is so vastly different. I don't know how many people were airlifted out of Saigon and we won't have an estimate as to how many people have been picked up out of New Orleans for a while.

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grandadjohn

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Posted by grandadjohn on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 3:52 PM

They were differnet in terms of scope and time periods invloved. Siagon was done with large groups of people being moved in a short period of time(roughly a day or so from what I remember) using large airframe helo's of the day(mainly CH-46's and CH-53's). This not to say smaller helo's were not used.
Katrina SAR operations have used smaller airframe helo's such as the HUEY and the Hawk"s over a longer period of time. From what I gather from the news, searching is still going on. Larger a/c from what I have seen have been used to move supplies to were they are needed.
Has to which is larger, I can not say, both are/were large undertakings and Katrina is not over yet, time will tell.

Trigger

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Posted by Trigger on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 11:18 AM

I was just wondering - how does the helicopter evacuation and SAR of New Orleans compare to the fall of Saigon in terms of scope? I just read where the April 75 evac was the largest helicopter evac in history (hey, i was but a wee little house ape at the time!)

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Trigger

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Posted by Trigger on Sunday, September 11, 2005 8:14 AM

Another Air Force Twin-Pac:

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 11, 2005 3:16 AM

[

Looks like your prayers have been heard Big Smile [:D]

Whirlybird just pre-announced a conversion set and decals for the LAPD SeaKing (source: HeliKitNews).

Errr.. LA County Sheriff that is. Not LAPD.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 11, 2005 3:13 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by 1st_combat_comm

anybody see the L.A county Sherrif's helo on CNN last night. Nice color scheme! wouldn't mind trying that as a model.

Looks like your prayers have been heard Big Smile [:D]

Whirlybird just pre-announced a conversion set and decals for the LAPD SeaKing (source: HeliKitNews).

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1st_combat_comm

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Posted by 1st_combat_comm on Saturday, September 10, 2005 6:03 AM

anybody see the L.A county Sherrif's helo on CNN last night. Nice color scheme! wouldn't mind trying that as a model.

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Trigger

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Posted by Trigger on Friday, September 9, 2005 4:19 PM

TLAR, Eagle334!

ET tail code, Shark's teeth tail band... yup, that's an Eglin bird! 46th Test Wing, AFMC

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eagle334

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Posted by eagle334 on Friday, September 9, 2005 2:54 PM

Is this the beast of which you speak?

I'll try to find a real photo of one.

And here it is:

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HeavyArty

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From: Valrico, FL

Posted by HeavyArty on Friday, September 9, 2005 9:09 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by GeejeeZ
[Don't know if you are referring to my earlier reply/ question ("Who is flying Super Puma's in New Orleans? ERA Aviation?")?
I know about ERA, and to my knowledge it's the only American company that flies AS332L's. And because in the beginning of this post someone mentioned the crash of an AS332 (which later actually turned out to be an SA330J) and Era has some offshore helicopter activities at the Gulf of Mexico (Mobile, Alabama) I was curious if it was one of their 'copters that had crashed.
If your reply had nothing to do with mine: apologies and consider this reply as not-written!

Thank you, Gertjan

Think he is referring to the downed Bell 206, Jet Ranger. Based on the paint scheme, it looks like an ERA bird.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 9, 2005 4:17 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by Melgyver

Oh, ERA Aviation is one of the oldest civialian helcopter companies in the USA that was operating out of Alaska and spread South to other States. Check out Google, ERA Helicopters.

Don't know if you are referring to my earlier reply/ question ("Who is flying Super Puma's in New Orleans? ERA Aviation?")?
I know about ERA, and to my knowledge it's the only American company that flies AS332L's. And because in the beginning of this post someone mentioned the crash of an AS332 (which later actually turned out to be an SA330J) and Era has some offshore helicopter activities at the Gulf of Mexico (Mobile, Alabama) I was curious if it was one of their 'copters that had crashed.
If your reply had nothing to do with mine: apologies and consider this reply as not-written!

Thank you, Gertjan

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Melgyver

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From: Lafayette, LA

Posted by Melgyver on Thursday, September 8, 2005 9:40 AM

Oh, ERA Aviation is one of the oldest civialian helcopter companies in the USA that was operating out of Alaska and spread South to other States. Check out Google, ERA Helicopters.

Clear Left!

Mel

Melgyver

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From: Lafayette, LA

Posted by Melgyver on Thursday, September 8, 2005 9:35 AM

I heard that one of the LA National Guard Huey's got a little "heavy" on the the skids and put them through the roof of a building. Ended up shuting it down and there may be damage to the the tail boom as well as belly. Haven't heard any more yet. My brother was one of thecrazy Cajuns who drug down every small boat they could get in the Lafayette area and went down to N.O. the Wed after the storm to assist in rescues and due to lack of places to safely lauch boats only a small percentage of the over 300 boats lauched then some were "highjacked" at gun point and left to sit on the roof's fo their victims. Others shot at. My bother ended up having thier motor quit and had to use the electric trolling motor to get back. They did rescue two lost souls in a canoe that where trying to rescue themselves. They were worn out "chasing" helicopters trying to find their way out. They even gave them a ride out of "hell" to Lafayette.

Clear Left!

Mel

Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 8, 2005 12:14 AM

It didn't list the aircraft type. I'll try to get more info from the JOC tomorrow. Just got off alert...did an ELT search today and it turned out to be a Beaver (DHC-2) on floats that got stuck in an alpine lake. Well....we got him unstuck.

Since the SITREP was fairly recent I'm thinking it was the Jet Danger.

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HeavyArty

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Posted by HeavyArty on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 9:25 PM

Another victim of Katrine...

From CNN:
"A civilian helicopter crashed on to a rooftop north of downtown New Orleans Wednesday."

Another civilian rescue helo has gone down. Looks like a civilian Bell 206 Jet Ranger. No word on the crew. Hope they are alright. May God protect all the brave rescue crews working the area.

Gino P. Quintiliani - Field Artillery - The KING of BATTLE!!!

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Trigger

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From: Moooooon River!

Posted by Trigger on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 6:55 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by salbando
...The last SITREP I read on the downed civilian helicopter didn't say who it belonged to, but it did say that they were unable to locate the aircrew.

Are you referring to the Puma, or did another bird go down that I haven't heard about?

------------------------------------------------------------------ - Grant "Can't let that nest in there..."

ridleusmc

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From: Cincinnati, Ohio

Posted by ridleusmc on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 6:22 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by yardbird78

Check out this TIME news story for an article on the Marine CH-53E from MCAS New River, NC.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1101340,00.html

Darwin, O.F.

Thanks Drawin,

Those are my buddies, and that's one of my birds. I'm proud of to be part of a squadron that can get it done all over the world at one time. Thanks for the link.

Semper Fi,
Chris

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