A couple Red Flags on the Trump Chinook!

chopperfan

Member since
November 2003
From: Oklahoma

Posted by chopperfan on Saturday, October 8, 2005 12:20 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by supercobra

Is it just me or does this thing look smaller than the actual aircraft? It also looks like it is made out of some kind of plastic. Aren't the real things made out of sheet metal and some kind of composite material?

Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed that!! Laugh [(-D]

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supercobra

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June 2003

Posted by supercobra on Saturday, October 8, 2005 11:15 AM

Is it just me or does this thing look smaller than the actual aircraft? It also looks like it is made out of some kind of plastic. Aren't the real things made out of sheet metal and some kind of composite material?

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Screaminhelo

Member since
April 2004
From: Georgia

Posted by Screaminhelo on Saturday, October 8, 2005 11:07 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by dninness
Now I just have to figure out what color "aircraft soap spooge on IR Green" is, and a good way to represent the sheen of leaking 23699 on the aft fuselage under the engines..

Even properly diluted soap leaves a grayish residue if not completely rinsed off. Depending on the type of soap used, it may have a distinct yellow hue to it or it may look like a gray glaze has been applied over the original paint.

As for the oil stains....Oil makes even the oldest CARC look new again. Just look at how a drop of water spreads on a piece of cardboard an just replicate that. Be sure gradually blend the oil stain into the finish color and give it a very little bit of shine.

Mac

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DURR

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July 2013

Posted by DURR on Saturday, October 8, 2005 10:46 AM

i noticed something also on the front pylon on the model too( but it could be just this and not the production model) thefronpylon apears to be one pc with no shape to it
the real pylon is three pcs each diff shape and each a noticeable diff size

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dkmacin

Member since
January 2003
From: Upper left side of the lower Penninsula of Mich

Posted by dkmacin on Saturday, October 8, 2005 7:42 AM

And you scoffed at the "Problem areas" of the Trumpeter SA365N!
As PPE and Frank say, you just go with the flow and be thankful you have a base to work with. . .and work on, and work on, and work on.

Don

I know it's only rock and roll, but I like it.

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, October 8, 2005 6:17 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by dninness

QUOTE: Originally posted by Jonathan Primm
The c-box cooling cut out on the aft pylon looks to be an easier fix.

Heh, see, that's why I'm gonna build it as a C-model!

Looks like it will be time for me to learn how to use an airbrush to weather that bad boy.

Now I just have to figure out what color "aircraft soap spooge on IR Green" is, and a good way to represent the sheen of leaking 23699 on the aft fuselage under the engines..

Darren;

Yep, you and me both,

Doing an A or C you can paint the mo fo OD instead of trying to match the FS for CARC paint, and if you want to depict where some idiot ruined the paint job because they didn't think that diluting aircraft soap was any big deal, ( "well, the instructions say to mix the soap and water at a 2:9 ratio, but the aircraft is REALLY dirty, so I'll just go with 1:2 ratio instead!") you could always take what ever shade you are using and lighten it with some white or yellow and just drip it on to replicate where the soap washed out the paint on the aircraft.

It wasn't so bad or noticeable on Olive Drab, but it really ruined darker shades of green! Yep, we had brand new D models and the first trip to the wash rack with some of the idiots we had who shouldn't have been allowed anywhere within 100' of an aircraft in the first place ensured that the paint job looked like crap when they were done with it.

I'm not goin to name names because I know you remember them as well as I do.

Jonathan Primm

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dninness

Member since
August 2004
From: Concord, NH

Posted by dninness on Saturday, October 8, 2005 5:56 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by Jonathan Primm
The c-box cooling cut out on the aft pylon looks to be an easier fix.

Heh, see, that's why I'm gonna build it as a C-model! Cool [8D]

Looks like it will be time for me to learn how to use an airbrush to weather that bad boy.

Now I just have to figure out what color "aircraft soap spooge on IR Green" is, and a good way to represent the sheen of leaking 23699 on the aft fuselage under the engines.. Wink [;)]

Darin Ninness 213th Avn Co, ROK 86-89 CH-47C, 67-18500 "The Pride of Texas"

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HeavyArty

Member since
December 2002
From: Valrico, FL

Posted by HeavyArty on Saturday, October 8, 2005 1:16 AM

Frank, thanks for clearing it up. I can still live with the inaccuracies though. I'm just happy to see it actually coming out soon. Still looks like a Chinook to me.

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Papa-Echo-64

Member since
February 2003
From: Seattle

Posted by Papa-Echo-64 on Saturday, October 8, 2005 12:43 AM

No problem Frank......I do not think that there are many kits out there that are 100% perfect!

Its too bad that Trumpeter doesn't do their home work very well.....I remember when they messed up the canopy to a 1/24 scale P-51D....Folks do not like to pay BIG BUCKS for kits with obvious goof ups.

Hey it could be MUCH worse! There are Sci-Fi modelers on other boards arguing over STUFF that does NOT exsist at all! very passionetly I may add......and that cracks me up!

Straighten up and fly right.....

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oldhooker

Member since
July 2003
From: Piedmont Triad, NC (USA)

Posted by oldhooker on Saturday, October 8, 2005 12:16 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by DURR

i really cant see the rear pylon as being wrong ONLY because the front rotors are in the way in the photo

Hi Joe,

The area I am referring to on the aft pylon is the c-box cooling duct.... on the test kit it looks to be wider at the bottom than it should be.

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QUOTE: HeavyArty: I don't really see what you are referring too.

Here's something to look for; on the front brow of a real Chinook, the attachment points for the windshield wipers are about 8 inches above the upper rim of the windshield... on the test kit, they seem to be just above the rim. Also, on the leading edge, the vertical part of the Doghouse begins about 7 inches above the rim... on the test kit, the vertical section appears to extend all the way to the rim.

Not knit-picking with this post, just getting an idea of how much modification this $120 prospective release will require. Smile [:)]

Take care,
Frank

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DURR

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July 2013

Posted by DURR on Friday, October 7, 2005 11:06 PM

i really cant see the rear pylon as being wrong ONLY because the front rotors are in the way in the photo

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oldhooker

Member since
July 2003
From: Piedmont Triad, NC (USA)

Posted by oldhooker on Friday, October 7, 2005 9:46 PM

Troy, here's a head-on view of the "F" & "A" Model, as you can see, the features have remained the same.

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No "infighting", just noticed a point of detail. Smile [:)]

After modifying that Aurora Chinook, if that's all that will need extra attention in this kit, we'll all be blessed! Wink [;)]

Take care,
Frank

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 7, 2005 1:38 PM

...and this one

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 7, 2005 1:35 PM

Looks okay to me in this picture

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Chief Snake

Member since
August 2004
From: Maryland

Posted by Chief Snake on Friday, October 7, 2005 1:02 PM

Easy fella's. Let it come, give me a canvas and I'll paint a hell of picture. This project puked once before because of infighting....

Chief Snake

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 7, 2005 7:16 AM

Something else that I noted that wasn't pointed out, Not sure if they are gonna fix this or not, but look carefully at the chord of the blades in the test shot.

Is it me, or are those blades symetrical? All the blades I ever removed and replaced on Cs and Ds were asymetrical, unless they've gone back to symetrical blades.

Just tryin to help

Jonathan

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 7, 2005 7:10 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by oldhooker

Upon closer examination, I have found a couple of areas on the upcoming Hook that aren't exactly accurate.[:0]

See for yourself....

Troy was on the right track with his comment about the doghouse.

Sorry for the exciting news....

Take care,
Frank

Frank;
Yeah, it looks like the cockpit windshields and "eyebrow" windos aren't shaped right, the center windshield should be a bit smaller, which would require the pilot and copilot windows to be smaller, which in turn would require the jettisonable doors on each side to be slightly different.

The c-box cooling cut out on the aft pylon looks to be an easier fix.

Thanks For the heads up

Jonathan

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LemonJello

Member since
February 2004
From: Green Lantern Corps HQ on Oa

Posted by LemonJello on Friday, October 7, 2005 6:31 AM

I dunno...I think I'd still get one. I can understand how some of you that have flown/worked on this bird would notice those issues, but the majority of people looking at the completed model will never be able to point that out.

I'm happy that there's a new kit coming out of this workhorse. Now, bring on the -53E!

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intruder_bass

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November 2013

Posted by intruder_bass on Friday, October 7, 2005 1:27 AM

Agree... Just cut off the whole thing and move it a bit aft... Wink [;)]

Don't see any problem... If someday I buy this kit I will try to modify doghouses to make them "open" anyway Smile [:)]

Andy

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Papa-Echo-64

Member since
February 2003
From: Seattle

Posted by Papa-Echo-64 on Friday, October 7, 2005 1:06 AM

Am I seeing that correctly Frank.....is the foward plylon digging to far south on the dog house? and was that never the case on any model of Hook?

That still would not keep me from buying the kit....I bet with some effort that could be fixed.

Straighten up and fly right.....

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Lloyd

Member since
July 2005

Posted by Lloyd on Thursday, October 6, 2005 11:04 PM

Why would you expect this test model to change in any way? It looks as if its in an advanced stage of development to me.
Unless they have since revised the areas he has indicated, he's got a point. It looks incorrect, especially at the front anyway. Dead [xx(]

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HeavyArty

Member since
December 2002
From: Valrico, FL

Posted by HeavyArty on Thursday, October 6, 2005 6:37 PM

I don't really see what you are referring too. It is premature to make judgements based on so-so pics of test models. Why don't we wait for the actual kit to come out and see how it actually is before we pass judgement on it.

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oldhooker

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July 2003
From: Piedmont Triad, NC (USA)

A couple Red Flags on the Trump Chinook!

Posted by oldhooker on Thursday, October 6, 2005 5:31 PM

Upon closer examination, I have found a couple of areas on the upcoming Hook that aren't exactly accurate.[:0] Eight Ball [8]

See for yourself....

Troy was on the right track with his comment about the doghouse. Wink [;)]

Sorry for the exciting news.... Sad [:(]

Take care,
Frank

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