1/35 HOOK box art!!

HeavyArty wrote:

So the question is are they giving decals for an A model in 1991 (which didn't exist) or ar they providing parts to upgrade to a D model?   That is the million dollar question.  There has been speculation and rumors of both versions.  Test shots of the sprues and build ups show parts for both types as well.  The question is if the kit will build up either way, or will there be two separate kits.  The ad in FSM is confusing.  Like you said, it states an A model, but the decal options all sound like they go with a D model.  We shall see.

Soon we all should know the answers to all these on going questions.   I sure am racking my brain thinking about this!!!      And that said, the speculations and questions continue with this awsome kit!!! Or should I say kits???

Hang in there guys!!

Mark

So the question is are they giving decals for an A model in 1991 (which didn't exist) or ar they providing parts to upgrade to a D model?

 

That is the million dollar question.  There has been speculation and rumors of both versions.  Test shots of the sprues and build ups show parts for both types as well.  The question is if the kit will build up either way, or will there be two separate kits.  The ad in FSM is confusing.  Like you said, it states an A model, but the decal options all sound like they go with a D model.  We shall see.

armydogdoc wrote:

.  What kind of hooks is the army using now days.  I guess what I am asking is there a huge difference between the A's that my Dad worked on when he was in the army (and the one that is being produced) and the ones that I rode on missions last year.

 

I worked on and crewed them for sixteen years. In a nutshell, the visual differences between the As and Ds are not that great and most people wouldn't pick up on them. On the A models the trailing end of the aft pylon was tapered, on Bs, Cs, and Ds the trailing edge of the aft pylon is "squared" off. The As did not have the stabilizing strakes on the lower edges of the fuselage and ramp as was common on later aircraft. The engines were smaller as were the engine screens (when they were installed.) The D model is equipped with one large hook  near the center of the floor with two smaller ones for and aft.

Very early A models had dual rear wheels, later versions went to larger tires with one on each aft landing gear rather than two each. Lastly the 'clamshell' doors on the forward edge of the aft pylon on the Ds have cut outs to allow for cooling air for the combining transmission oil cooler (but it also means that the rear third of the cabin can get mighty cold when flying around in the winter.)

Engines, transmissions, drive train and dynamic components like rotor heads and rotor blades have undergone numerous changes over the life of the aircraft. For example the external load capacity has more than doubled from the A to the D, as has maintainability and reliability.

 

Jonathan Primm

One question for anyone in the know about Chinooks...This is advertised as an A model but it says there are decals for a 1991 Desert Storm aircraft. I worked for Boeing Helicopters at the time and I know that all operational As were converted to Ds by 1991. There were no A models in Desert Storm. As are best identified by the smaller engine cones, no "notch" in front of the aft pylon and the aft pylon is tapered to a point in the back on an A whereas it's flat on a D.

So the question is are they giving decals for an A model in 1991 (which didn't exist) or ar they providing parts to upgrade to a D model?

It may seem like a small thing to most people but it you've been around Chinooks you want to build you model of one just right.

Its a darn crying shame that they couldnt get it out by Christmas like they were promising us a few months back.  However, the latest FSM has an add on the back of the front page that is saying Feb 06, so I am keeping my fingers crossed that this is when we will see them.  I cant wait to see what kind of after market stuff is offered with this one.   Im not very up to date on the varients of Chinooks.  I rode on them all over Afghanistan and Iraq when I was there.  What kind of hooks is the army using now days.  I guess what I am asking is there a huge difference between the A's that my Dad worked on when he was in the army (and the one that is being produced) and the ones that I rode on missions last year. 

Chief Snake wrote:

The changes to the real airframes were substantial and some type of resin set to reflect that would be cost prohibitive. Chief Snake

When I was with B/2/160th, it was our understanding that the Es  were going to be completely new airframes. I left in 1993 so I don't know if that was the case or not.

In any event, I think the Chief has some valid points. Yes it would be nice to have an E, but I think we should wait and see what the A and D are like before we start clamoring for an E. Besides converting a D to and E would be pretty substantial in 1/35th.  Meteor caught hell for the price tag on their PB4Y2 conversion in 1/48th, so imagine the howls of outrage when and if a resin conversion kit is ever released for this kit.

Besides,. It very well could be the same kind of issue that came up with their 1/32 F4F, the kit was pulled, changes were made and it was re-issued, and we didn't hear much afterwards.

The inevitable sequence of events seems to be:

1. A new kit release is announced

2. Much is made of the new kit on the modeling forums for months before the release and based on how much is written, one gets the impression that said kit will be purchased in large numbers.

3. As time progresses and "test shots" are issued, everyone starts to coalesce into a couple of groups... The "It looks like a (insert name of object here) to me" group and the "The thing is seriously flawed" group then there is the "I don't care, I think it's great that we have this subject at all" group.

4. Then when the kit is finally released, we get all kinds of "in box" reviews.

5. Six months later, the kit is forgotten and you have a hard time finding reviews of any of these kits that have actually been built,

6. The cylce starts again when a new kit is announced....

Just some thoughts on tryin to keep things in perspective.

 

Jonathan Primm

Hi all!!!

We all definitly need an 1/35 MH-47E kit!!!!    It is a very important helo in the special ops community and there should be a big kit released of it.  Dragon makes the AH-6J Little Bird and Academy makes the AH-60L DAP both used by the 160th Night Stalkers.  We need a nice big kit of the MH-47E to go with these two nice kits, don't you all agree??!!   Who's with me??

I know that a nice resin conversion kit could be done.   I would definitly buy me one of them.    Wether there is a 1/35 MH-47E kit released or a conversion kit to convert the  Trump CH-47D, I think this is a must have version of the Chinook that we Hooker fans need for our collection!!

I sure hope that someone will come through for us!!!

Mark

C'mon Chief :-)) we can handle this!

I already promised myself that I will build ONLY MH-47E from Trumpeter)))) and am gonna do it no matter what. Maybe it wont be perfectly accurate so what? How it can be if there aren't any good blueprints for the real thing.... Is Italeri's F-22 Raptor perfect? Or other models of super-modern stuff?

They make molds using PHOTOS as reference!

Besides Cobra Co. is the only  company specialized on 1/35 choppers aftermarket (resin) so its like " you are our last hope, general Obi-Wan Kenobi..." (c) )))))))))))))))

Andy  

Chris is not his real name iether......but I'm not telling.

I know there is more to it than just the green house windows but I can see a easy fix for those....and that would make me happy.  I'm just jazzed about finally having a 1/35 friggen HOOK!!

Hello Chris!!!

So,  Your AKA  Chief snake!!   Very cool!!

Thanks for clearing up the info on the Trump Hook detail set issues.

So you thank that the front transmission pylon is inacurrate???   If my info is currect, MRC/Academy Made the pre molds for this kit and then scraped the whole project.  Panda then got ahold of them and then sold them to Trumpeter.  It looks to me that MRC/academy is responsible for the  inacurrate issues.        

Scence it seems that no one  will come out and do a conversion kit to make a MH-47E  than I sure hope that Trumpeter will soon make the MH-47E in there Chinook kit line up.

Thanks Chris and keep the great things happening there at Cobra Co.

Mark

The reason I told you that we were not working on anything for the Trumpeter Chinook is exactly what I said. The kit is not available. I have no access to test shots like some other resin makers do. Stevens International does not co-operate with Cobra Company in getting test shots or pre release review kits. I'm afraid I don't know what the secret is to getting their help, perhaps it's if you sell them what you make. That will not happen with Cobra Company, wholesale pricing for sale is a losing proposition for a very small entity like Cobra Company. Unless some of the really bad mistakes the Trump kit has exhibited are fixed, resin sets will not do it any good for small details. You'll still have the mistakes to focus on and that isn't minor. The fixes for the forward transmission pylon will require substantial work and then the application of them to the model will require substantial skill. I like that Trumpeter has ventured into this field but their engineers are not getting good feedback on design. Additionally, if the two releases scheduled are what they are sticking to it will be a big project to convert to an MH-47E. The changes to the real airframes were substantial and some type of resin set to reflect that would be cost prohibitive. A one of that you do your self will be a big job, especially if you want to do it right. Sort of like the requests I get for SH-60B conversions in 1/35th scale. That type of work is bested suited to cad design and SL master cutting. I do not have access or skille to do such a thing. Although I have given assistance to someone who can and was going to take on the project it hasn't borne fruit. Sorry 'bout that.

Chief Snake

))))))))) I made exactly same way (using Plaster) but... before I even started I made a hard wooden frame for the whole thing to keep the shape. Oh man, it was huge and heavy)))) I really love Das Boot movie so I was trying to imitate the "storm moment" when U-96 met Tompson's sub somewhere at sea)))))

Here are couple of pics more:

http://photobucket.com/albums/y211/intruder_bass/?action=view&current=P1010022.jpg

http://photobucket.com/albums/y211/intruder_bass/?action=view&current=P1010038.jpg

http://photobucket.com/albums/y211/intruder_bass/?action=view&current=p1010003.jpg

Andy

Well.....It’s more like what I should not have done...but it worked out cool in the end.

I first choose the base size and built a frame and bottom...out of pine...wanting it to stay as light as possible ( RIGHT!)...Here is where the fun begins. I used regular house plaster to create the main water bulk and basic wave form......ooops! As it set it was kinda wet and then some heat happened....needless to say my base warped and got real funky.....I was really freaking out!
So I set it aside and went outside to smell the flowers, get some air and went to Hooters for dinner. ( That’s my answer for everything! )

Well the next morning it flattened out on its own! And I only had to fill a few small seems on a few corners of the base. PHEW! Now ...with my base that weighs around 25 pounds! Realizing that this is a 1/72 scale subject and the water would be different from what we are use to seeing for smaller ships...( I went down to the peer and looked at the water to get an idea what it looked like on a windy dark day ) With that in mind I used a bit more plaster to build up some more waves...then I painted that layer with acrylic medium and dark blue with streaks of black. Then I used medium jell liquid text to build up a clear layer and even more texture...The stuff can be found at most art and craft shops...it drys in such a way that its perfect to work with. In the TOP pic you can see that the break at the bow is not highlighted with white paint yet, I did that later and the same was done with the rest of the water along side of the Boot and the white caps....and thats How I did it!

This could work for Helo rescue opps as well!

Sorry for this little u-boat off-top guys)))))))))))

Papa, yours look great too! Look outs and the officer on the tower are very nice add-on. I was thinking of buying them too. BTW what did you use for water-making? I used Realistic Water from Woodland scenics for mine.

ooops...double post....hmmmm...we can no longer delete post we posted.

Yup the BOX was strong but they made it so the hull was very tight....plus the kits very small/fine parts were run from big fat trees...I got to choose from several new U-boat kits at the Hobby shop before I found one I would take home......many modelers on 'ship' boards complained big time about cracked hulls and barely nothing left of railing and gun parts. Still a great kit! and Intruder_bass YOURS LOOKS SWEET!

Here is one snap of mine:

Hi all!!

I've been doing some research to see if I can find some hints on any after market detail set coming out.    I haven't found anything yet.   

I stumbeled on a rumor that Cobra Co. was working on some prodjects for the Trump Hook kits so I sent an email to Chris there and he responded to me that they were not working on any thing for them.    I think he is just keeping this hush hush untill further down the line after we all have these kits in our hands.     I'm sure that they will bring out some very nice extras for these kits ounce they are avalible.

Mark

Papa-Echo-64 wrote:

Folks who ordered thier BIG 1/72 scale Revell of Germany U-boat last year found it in pieces by the time it arived at the door. ( granted is was a poorly packed kit from the get go )

 

Mine arrived in perfect condition. The Revell U-Boat kit box is not like usual ones - its stronger and even has hard frames to hold the hull and other sprues. I suspect it was a real chalange for the mail guys to brake it))) They where probably playing football with it))))

P.S.

I think it will take at least a year before I grab my box with Hook :(( Hopefully CC or/and Eduard will through some goodies for it on the market by that time)))))

Hi all!!!

Just got my Dec  Squadron suppliment today and they have the CH-47A up for preorder in side!!!    There price is $112,45  Not bad at all scence the retale price is $149.95.   I have the scrach saved up ,I just wish it would hurry and become avaible here!!!   I WANT MY HOOK!!!  I WANT MY HOOK!!!  I WANT MY HOOK!!!  I WANT MY HOOK!!!

 

Mark

Hello gang!!

I sure am looking forword to this kit being on the store shelves!!

Some are saying that it will be avalible here as late as April, 06.

No way!!    I could be wrong but it should be here in great nombers between the end of Dec,05 to med Feb ,06 The CH-47A for sure.

Now, the CH-47D could be that for off!!

This is the one I am most intrested in getting. I sure wish Trumpeter would set them both lose at the same time.

Mark

They are saying March 06 in the U.S. but do not hold your breath....could be sooner??? or it could be April.  THAT stinks! I was hoping for a NICE BIG entry for the spring Model Contest in my neighborhood.....not likely

Also Hobbylink of Japan is saying Dec for them but they have been very wrong before. Even if that is true.....Lets say you pre-order from them,  they have a big reputation for LONG shipping waiting periods to the States. They have to fill orders as they were recieved.....it may be Feb or March here when it arrives in the mail if not later.

Marke here on the boards put his order in at Hobbylink very early so who knows...he may just be the first kid on the block to yell YIPPIE!!!!

I only order kits on line when its ebay...otherewise who wants your kit getting more abuse than necessary?  Folks who ordered thier BIG 1/72 scale Revell of Germany U-boat last year found it in pieces by the time it arived at the door. ( granted is was a poorly packed kit from the get go )

Mark,

Thanks for the info on the intake screens.  Anybody got any updates on when we might expect these 1/35th Hooks to hit the store shelves? 

Wet Willy

Hey Wet Willy!!

No need to worry, the  FOD screens are sepprit parts so you can leave them off all together.   Just incase you don't know, There is going to be a CH-47D released soon after the CH-47A.  This is very exciteing for sure!!!

I sure can't wait!!!

Mark

Wet Willy wrote:

Good looking box art, but hopefully the A model will come with removable intake screens.  IIRC, the A models did not have intake screens - at least not prior to July of 1968.  It seems like the only Hooks with screens back then were the 1st Cav's gunships. Wet Willy

Oh yeah....the old nose sticking out of the intakes.....early sixties stuff....way back!

Good looking box art, but hopefully the A model will come with removable intake screens.  IIRC, the A models did not have intake screens - at least not prior to July of 1968.  It seems like the only Hooks with screens back then were the 1st Cav's gunships.

Wet Willy

 

thanks for the info Papa,i will be sure to keep my eyes on things,

Hey! Get in formation Pal!  eyes foward, sholders back and wipe that silly grin off that thing you call a face!

The 1/35 Chinook is not due here in that states till Feb or April 06 who knows for sure....We hear have been waiting in line 'off and on' to speak for 6 to 3 years ......its a long story.... and welcome to the Helo section.....No doupt that here is where you will find all the info will need for this kit, we have a few ex and current Chinook / helo FE's hanging around.

that 1;35 hook looks like a good kit,where would i get one of those.

intruder_bass wrote:

Huey included? )))))

 

How do you make a Huey fly as fast as a Chinook?

Sling Load it!

How do you make a Huey fly faster than a Chinook?

Punch it off!

 

Jonathan Primm