UPDATE: #3 Dragon 1/35 UH-1D/H Australian Army build.

harvs73 wrote:

Bugger, I have images of 279 not 278!

Ha ha ha. Its always the way mate!

I was just curious Harvs on something yesterday.. I dont know too much about the Kiowa's, but with the Huey being retired, wll they not keep a few opporational for training and education?. All the new ones are all computer operated and so teaching guys to fly with the old instruments would be a handy and important skill to keep wouldnt it? 

Cheers Chris 

I dont get it?

I read in posts where by you use and suggest to others to use parts that are both 1:35 or 1:32 scale as to you as long as it fits it doesnt matter, or is close enough.. But as soon as someone does something a "little different" than you, you act like I have broken some kind of rule? 

I dont usually comment on other peoples builds to make a point, but when you posted a link to your own SAR build for me to look at, then you opened up a can of worms..

You claim to build your kits to look like the real 1:1 scale aircraft and have felt free to tell me what I am doing wrong with mine. Yet when I look at the one you have built, the glass is all foggie and hard to see out of, and so cant see how a person flying a 1:1 scale version could see what they are doing?.. Your paint work on the outside looks thick and a little rushed. But thats just me..

So all I have suggested when I made my comment about the pics that I am posting is. Please relax and wait for the final completed pics before you start with the nit picking..

I respect your helicopter knowledge, but as a modeler we are all different..

Cheers, Chris 

harvs, would love to see any huey pics you have mate, particularly Oz ones. I can share mine with you aswell, i have heaps. cbrosnan1@optusnet.com.au

Chris, i'll also send through some pics of A2-278 if you like. your bulid is lookin' good to me buddy. Dunno if this has been said, but you can get Oz huey decals(all scales) from Hawkeye models, an Australian site.

cheers

Chris.

Chris cheers mate.. I am over my little grumpy moment now...

Happy to see the pics you have.. As I said, the Huey I was building was just going to be generic and I really didn't have a back story or aircraft that I was getting my insperation from... So now that I have gone with A2-278 it will give it an identity..

As for decals, I am going to attempt my first set of home baked ones. Should be pretty interesting to see how they turn out.. I just need references of warning signs ect around the aircraft...

Chris 

Chris, just got the email.. Those pics are sweet!

 This is the money shot that made me feel very very homesick... The background looks like my back yard when I was growing up in Willowbank/Amberley AFB...

Thanks mate.. Chris 

I read in posts where by you use and suggest to others to use parts that are both 1:35 or 1:32 scale as to you as long as it fits it doesn't matter, or is close enough.. But as soon as someone does something a "little different" than you, you act like I have broken some kind of rule?  I don't usually comment on other peoples builds to make a point, but when you posted a link to your own SAR build for me to look at, then you opened up a can of worms.. You claim to build your kits to look like the real 1:1 scale aircraft and have felt free to tell me what I am doing wrong with mine. Yet when I look at the one you have built, the glass is all foggy and hard to see out of, and so cant see how a person flying a 1:1 scale version could see what they are doing?.. Your paint work on the outside looks thick and a little rushed. But that's just me..

The issue is not what I have built or see.  I welcome your critique.  You are the one who is getting all bent out of shape every time I or anyone else gives you comments that are not in line with your thinking.  Truthfully, I could care less how you build it.  We are just trying to give pointers on how to make it better.  If you don't agree, that is fine too. 

As to the 1/32 and 1/35 parts being used together, they are close enough in scale to not matter, especially when the 1/32 version parts are too small and need to be enlarged (which they shouldn't be), so it tells me they are closer to 1/35.  I don't see an issue here.

For my SAR Huey, thanks for the insight.  The windows are clear, I guess it is just the camera angle that makes it look foggy.  The paint looks much better in person too.  The camera magnifies any little imperfection. 

I guess it comes down to what to expect from posting pics on the forums here.  If you don't fully explain what your photo shows, you should expect questions.  Likewise, just by posting you open yourself up to critiques, questions, and criticism.  You should not get all bent out of shape when you get those questions and don't like what you hear.

Chris,

I love your build so far and that's a great shot of those 2 Hueys. Makes me want to build one in those colours. Keep us posted.

Rich

Bent out of shape?

Thats a little dramatical isn't it? You critiqued something that is WIP, and I just made a point of saying that it wasn't finished.  When I said the silver was going to be washed, your come back was, "it will still look silver" or something like that. It was not called for, as obviously you havn't seen what the final appearance will be..

Fair enough I don't do things your way, but I think its you that has gotten all upset, because you have given your 2 cents and I havn't agreed with it..

As I said about your build. I dont usually comment on other peoples builds to make a point. But because you have felt free in giving me your opinion, then by bringing up your build, I wanted to express that people who live in glass houses, shouldnt throw stones..

Again, you obviously have a large helicopter brain, but as a modeler, we are different.. Now I am happy to drop it if you are?

Cheers, Chris 

Thanks rich.. I grew up with them as a kid when they were still RAAF Huey's.. Was a shame when they left, but I think their life improved when they went to the Army and they were really used for what they were built for! I just wish I could get a Erocopter Tiger in 1:35 now.. I have the 1:48 Italeri kit, but I would love to have the old and the new side by side in 1:35 on the shelf..

Chris 

The reason I said you were upset (bent out of shape) is the way you felt like you had to write a half-page diatribe each time you were given tips on how to improve it and you didn't agree with them.  You even called it "your grumpy moment" above.  I am not upset at all, just giving my opinion.  You can take it or leave it.  

I have no issue dropping the discussion.  Again, we can agree to disagree. We obviously have differing ideas about modeling techniques.

I always welcome critique and comments on my builds as well, no glass houses here.

I will refrain from any further comments until it is complete.

Good luck with the rest of your build.

What is it with you man?.. If it isn't such an issue with you, then why this latest reply?.. A diatribe in itself. For someone who is as easy going as you claim, you like to get your little digs in..

I guess my diatribe was written in a way that was easier for you to understand where I was comming from, and that I wanted to explain that feelings needn't be hurt because I dont see things the way you do. I guess you didnt see it that way, and for that I appologize..

The whole agreeing to disagree part is also something that I dont get.. Its not a matter of me agreeing or disagreeing or not. In all honesty, I care less what you think and more about what I want to achieve..And that is not me trying to be rude to you, but simply being honest with you.. I have my way of doing things, you have yours.

I asked for reference material and some good members supplied it. "You" offered your opinion and gave links to your SAR build that I have seen on every helicopter forum from here to Timbucktoo. 

You chose to get your nose out of joint, I just chose not to take your advice..Its not me that got all bent out of shape mate..

Now if it really isn't a problem, then best we move on and get over it. I really dont want to waste this thread getting into personal issues and flinging insults.. This is why I left the boards for while, because there are at times ego's that seem to get hurt by the smallest of things.

I am usually a blunt to the point person, and I guess it rubs some people up the wrong way.. But I just call it how I see it to avoid any misunderstandings.. I am also not the worlds greatest modeler,but I have my methods, and I try my best..

Cheers. 

Cheers 

I am usually a blunt to the point person, and I guess it rubs some people up the wrong way.. But I just call it how I see it to avoid any misunderstandings..

I guess we are both similar.  That is why we are probably having this rub.  I am over it (I thought that is what I said above ).

Good luck.

Good, settled then...

Chris 

Chris_in_Japan wrote:

I have really had a hard time finding interior pics of Aussie Hueys, so I have  basically gone with gut instinct, so any correction and or advice with this kit will be welcomed.. Cheers, Chris

Ask and you shall receive.

HeavyArty offered his observations, which I agreed with, and you had a little temper tantrum over it, for all to see. Your retaliatory comments were uncalled for, however I found your reaction amusing enough to respond a second time. The thing is, when I decide to add my two cents, don't expect me to be very PC about it.

As HeavyArty said, good luck with your build.

Out. 

Why is it that you always get one person that is a day late, and then wants to ad his 2 cents to something that was dealt with yesterday?

News flash..

I asked for interior pics. Not pics of somebody elses model that is completely different to the subject that I am building. The fact of how I am building it shouldnt need to be explained to anyone, and so I made a point of saying it.. Gino agreed to disagree and I dont have a grudge against him for that...No one had any temper tantrums Old China..

OUT!!

Priceless..... 

As quoted in my previous post, you clearly stated that you welcomed any advice or correction with regard to your model... Mate.

I so wish there was an eye roll smiley....

Is this what you do all day?. You have nothing of importance to ad, so you start trouble about something that was settled a day before? There was a misunderstanding, and as two adults Gino and I made peace and there were no tears. I have no grudge toward him, and I hope he feels no ill will against me. Agreeing to disagree is correct on Gino's part, and I am happy to deal with that..

You come along and want to give me a nudge and then here we are again with a thread being hijacked and two people throwing insults at each other.. So in saying that, if that isn't what you are trying to achieve, then why the agro. And why jump into something that has nothing to do with you and has been finished with? If you dont like my build, then that is the opinion and advice that I will wear on the chin. (wether I accept it is totally of my making)

But dont start some childish rant with me over something that has zero to do with you..

Now move along for gods sake... 

I've been watching this thread from the beginning.  At no time did Gino say anything out of line, offensive or insulting.  He was attempting to help.  You chose to get your panties in a wad and start insulting people.  Others were willing and have the means to help.  FITTER chose to let you know that because of your attitude he chose not to assist you.  So, you chose to insult him as well. 

Instead of getting all bent out of shape and lashing out at people, how about accepting people's advice, or at least be polite about not accepting it?  I'm sure you'll find people are much more willing to send you reference material. 

If you're building to build, then go ahead, paint the damn thing pink.  But if you're building to create an accurate representation of the real thing, then maybe taking the advice of those who have been there and done that may just help you improve your skills a bit.

Jon

Ok, in all honesty, all I asked was that he wait until it was completed before any nit picking was done. I know that the back thermal cover is not silver, but I painted it silver because after its wash it still gave it a satin look to it as that is what I feel the look of the thermal cover is.. No one was getting bent out of shape, just asking that rushing into judge wasn't helpfull.. I can tell you right now, its doesn't look silver.. Instead of getting upset, I was simply explaining that is was indeed a WIP..

As for the dry brushing of the seats ect, it too has been toned down, and it wasnt done in order to make it look like bare metal as was suggested.. When I dry fitted the cockpit in the shell it just looked like a black mass with nothing really easy made out.

Once I put the windscreen on and windows, it was even harder to see alot of detail... So I dry brushed some silver, (which has been toned down considerably) and now not only does the cockpit remain black black, but it just brings the cockpit to life a little and not so stark and unoticable.I even re-painted the fabric covers to the control sticks as Gino suggested the right colour!..

Never once did I not accept any advice, infact I welcomed it full heartedly. But what I did say was, that my methods were different and to just see how it turns out before jumping to conclusions..

As for abusing anyone. As is the case with threads like this. After two people bang heads, you then have others come in and want to add their own 2 cents.. And it is for that reason that I asked FITTER, what it was that he actually wanted to add, or was he just trying to stir the pot. Because quite frankly, thats all it was..

I had accepted Gino's comments of agreeing to disagree and thought we had moved on?  If Gino still has an issue with me (which I hope, thought he didn't), then maybe Gino needs to be the one to let me know, and not have others come in and give me a piece of their mind on his behalf? 

As for reference material. Gino was kinda late on the scene, and I had already been helped out with what I needed by 3 other members.. Gino did send me some links to extra parts that could be used, but I was going to scratch everything anyway, and secondly his SAR bird was no help as it wasn't an Australian Huey. So please forgive me for not doing cartwheels for stuff that really wasn't very helpfull to me...

Now as I said to FITTER, unless you have anything constructive to add, then I will listen, but if you wanted to just give me a piece of your mind, then in all honesty, I could care less.. In fact, I am still waiting for you to get back to me about that 1/48 Italeri Tiger kit that you said you would help me get about a year ago.. But dont worry, I got it myself and am all sorted thanks.. Its great to look like the big helpfull soul on the boards, but if you never follow through, then as I have said before, (People who live in glass houses ect)

I have made alot of friends on, and off these boards, and they know what I am about.. I dont go looking for fights, nor do I worry too much about what other people do.. But they do know that I say what I think, and that you know what you get with me.. If I dont accept something, then I dont accept it. No point banging on about it in all honesty.. So I just ask that you relax and not be so anal about stuff all of the time..

Chris 

Aaron, I am absolutely loving this kit.. With the burn out of modeling this year, this kit has really gotten the juices flowing again.. Usually I build quite quickly, but this one has been done a little at a time, as I really want to give it the treatment.. The extra parts are amazing, and although the belts look a little stiff, they still do bring the kit to life.. I honestly couldnt imagine how stark it would be without the extra parts.. Great kit..

Chris 

I'm sorry, I've just been called out on something and I need to reply to this. 

Chris, I happily offered to get that Tiger kit for you.  We went back and forth a couple times and because of my flight schedule (I was in Army Flight School at the time and had barely two seconds to myself, let alone to spend with my new wife) I did forget about it at one point.  However, you not once offered to send payment.  I'm sorry, but if someone is helping me out to get something I'm looking for, I'm damn sure to pay for it up front to make their life as easy as possible since they are putting themselves out for me. 

I have helped plenty of people out on this and other forums.  I do it because I'm fortunate enough to have access to a lot of good stuff that others may not.  

Enjoy the Huey build. Back to the regularly scheduled thread.

Jon

 

With all the trades and purchases I have made through modeling. Do you think I got it all for free?

To even suggest that I didn't (which if memory serves me correctly I actually asked how it would be payed for, and the fact that I do have paypal) I am sure that maybe in the talks we were never at that point.. But to even suggest that I wouldn't have paid for, or even expected to pay for it is just stupid talk..

I do remember you were busy, and I do remember keeping base with you about it for a time. The fact that communication stopped and nothing happened was why I stopped asking and ended up getting one for myself when I found it.. And I even payed the shop owner too .........Sheeeeeeshh...

Chris 

I get it.. So if you dont do things the way someone suggests, and you simply ask them to not rush into nit picking what it is you are doing, then you are a cry baby?

I honestly thought the intelligence and age of this forum was a little higher then that.. I also didnt know that there was a Gino clause in my membership stating that I had to do as he said and accept all of his advice?. After all, I did take his advice and re-painted the controle sticks as he suggested.. 

Come on guys, real adults can have a misunderstanding and then move on. But it seems a few people like to just make nothing out of something and then we have posts like this last one..

What you all seem to be missing is that when I started this thread, I asked for "reference" pictures. And not links to your "own" builds, or tips and instructions on how to build a model?.. Pictures!!!!

Chris

If Gino still has an issue with me (which I hope, thought he didn't), then maybe Gino needs to be the one to let me know, and not have others come in and give me a piece of their mind on his behalf?

As I stated above, I have no issue with it.  It is done.  If you are suggesting I have contacted anyone to have them respond on my behalf, you are wrong.  I have nothing to do with anyone posting here.  I don't appreciate the accusation either.

Also, you did ask for advice and corrections in your first post.

I have really had a hard time finding interior pics of Aussie Hueys, so I have  basically gone with gut instinct, so any correction and or advice with this kit will be welcomed..

If you don't really want it, don't ask for it.

HeavyArty wrote:

If Gino still has an issue with me (which I hope, thought he didn't), then maybe Gino needs to be the one to let me know, and not have others come in and give me a piece of their mind on his behalf?  As I stated above, I have no issue with it.  It is done.  If you are suggesting I have contacted anyone to have them respond on my behalf, you are wrong.  I have nothing to do with anyone posting here.  I don't appreciate the accusation either. Also, you did ask for advice and corrections in your first post. I have really had a hard time finding interior pics of Aussie Hueys, so I have  basically gone with gut instinct, so any correction and or advice with this kit will be welcomed.. If you don't really want it, don't ask for it.

Part one, Gino, I wasn't accusing you of anything, I was stating that I had thought that we as adults had settled our difference, and that there was no need for anyone else to come in and speak on your behalf. If you think otherwise, then I cant help you with that.

Part two, I did say that. But there is a difference between offering advice and jsut saying something is wrong, when it hasn't been completed.. I know, knew, and still do that the thermo cover is not silver.. I also know, knew, and still do, that the control sticks were in need of further detailing, as with the dash board and control console of the thing.. Originally I had wanted to keep it the grey that the photo etch was in, but later decided to take your advice and paint it the black that it is supposed to be.. That, and going back to the reference pics that I have..

The thing is here. That as I see it at the moment. If I reply with "whatever" or something along those lines and just ignore the last few posters, then I am labelled as a cry baby and know it all..

But if I give back a little and continue on in this vain, then I am still labelled as a trouble maker and the thread goes to all hell and way off subject..

I just suggest to people, that if you want to have a go at me and give me a piece of your mind, then in all honesty I am simply not interested in it.. If you do have advice, then like I have done recently, I will take and then decide if I will use it.. But if you want to tell me that you wouldn't do something that way, or just want to critizise the way I am building it, then I just say wait until its completed before you give it the thumbs down..

I really dont know why that is so difficult to understand..  The reason I took time away from this board is because some people have ego's, but in saying that they are as thin as rice paper, and alot of people on these boards tip toe around like its some kind of hurt feeling support camp.. If you dont like something, and dont agree with something, then that is fine. But it is the right of the person you are addressing to take it how they like.. If you dont want your advice to be a consumable. Then dont give it..

Cheers.. 

Chris_in_Japan wrote:

The reason I took time away from this board is because some people have ego's, but in saying that they are as thin as rice paper

Right, thank you Wedge. Given your replies to people who were only trying to help you out here...

Again, everyone - if you don't have anything complimentary to say about his build, if you see something that's wrong with it, even if you're a current Huey crewmember, a former crewmember, just caught a ride in one, or just saw one at an airshow recently then please keep it to yourself.

Chris' initial request for help...

Chris_in_Japan wrote:

I have  basically gone with gut instinct, so any correction and or advice with this kit will be welcomed.. Cheers, Chris

...is to be ignored. He's made it clear that he's not interested in it and that he only wants to hear what he wants to hear...

Chris_in_Japan wrote:

If you do have advice...I will take and then decide if I will use it

Chris_in_Japan wrote:

If you dont want your advice to be a consumable. Then dont give it..

Thank you all and have a fantastic day!

Are you looking for a reaction Simpleton?..

Here's one.. Comedy is not your strong point, and funny pictures of Chevy Chase and a strange location on your avatar won't excuse the fact that you are a retarded adult with Daddy issues!

Move on amature... 

ps: If Gino doesn't need anyone to stick up for him, then he will make a point of saying that idiots like you dont speak on his behalf, or need to defend him by giving me a hard time for our disagreement?....