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Posted by model maniac 96 on Sunday, February 15, 2009 3:42 PM
ha ha ha ha...... good one Hans
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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Sunday, February 15, 2009 2:21 PM
 Glamdring wrote:

 Hans von Hammer wrote:
Keep in mind that, if you mix up too much, it keeps for long time in a zip-lock bag.  Squeeze as much air out as you can, though.. It'll eventually mold, but you CAN freeze it as well...

Great info here guys, I need to start working on my groundwork/basing skills..

On a side note, how does the Six feel about bags of that in the freezer?  Laugh [(-D]

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Posted by model maniac 96 on Saturday, February 14, 2009 8:00 PM
sweet, thanks Hans





Thanks, Jim
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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, February 13, 2009 1:42 PM

Sorry, been outta th' Net for a few days doing the move, and it took a bit of time getting the internet back and running...

Just wanted to add that I use tempera paint to color the Celluclay... It's water-soluable, cheap ('bout a 1.77 a pint at Hobby Lobby, and it goes on sale all the time for about half that), and has enough colors to mix any shade you need to come with if you buy one each of the primary colors, a brown, plus black & white...  For an 8 x 10 base, I use about a 1/8 of a cup to color the C-clay to the shade of brown you see in the jeep photo... It's just straight brown tempera, but you can lighten or darken it with black & white...  If you prefer, you can use it and a broad flatbrush ('bout a 1-inch to paint the clay after it's dry as well... I just prefer to pre-color it as a time-saver... The only thing you need to remember about tempera is that it will wash off even after it's dry, and the stuff will lift and/or mix if you don't squirt it with a clear coat of some kind of barrier, like clear acrylic or even hairspray between colors...

 

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Posted by model maniac 96 on Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:56 PM
Whew' I was about to mix a brown artist oil paint with Celluclay!! Now I know... bad idea.


Thanks a bunch, Jim
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Posted by ajlafleche on Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:55 PM
Acrylic (water based) only. Solvent based will not work at all, remember the adage that oil and water don't mix.

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Posted by model maniac 96 on Tuesday, February 10, 2009 5:11 PM

 Thanks Bish, I'll try that! And doc, I had no idea you could have Cellucaly and papermache on the same base like that! And sorry, but one more question,Whistling [:-^] can you mix any paint with the Celluclay, like water based, oil based and artist's paints.

Thanks again guys, Jim

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:34 AM
As already mentoned, keep it as thin as you can. I usually put mine somewhere warm like an aiery cupboard to help it dry out and have never had any problems. I apply normal paper mache over what ever i am useing to shape the terrain. This is an old habit from before i found celluclay but i find i can make fine adjustments in the ground and it gives the celuclay somethignt o stcik to.

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Posted by doc-hm3 on Monday, February 9, 2009 7:07 PM

 I have just finnished applying "Claycrete" same as "Celluclay" papermache over styrofoam. After the inletting of the foam by cutting it with a knife. I used about 1/2 a bottle of "Tamiya" red brown with about 1/2 cup "Elmer's" glue with water and the mix. Spreading a thin coat of about 3/16", it took about 30hrs. to dry/ I am satisfied with the results.

 This is in preparation for my diorama "Schnell, Mach Schnell"

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Posted by Glamdring on Monday, February 9, 2009 6:47 PM

 Hans von Hammer wrote:
Keep in mind that, if you mix up too much, it keeps for long time in a zip-lock bag.  Squeeze as much air out as you can, though.. It'll eventually mold, but you CAN freeze it as well...

Great info here guys, I need to start working on my groundwork/basing skills..

On a side note, how does the Six feel about bags of that in the freezer?  Laugh [(-D]

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Posted by model maniac 96 on Friday, February 6, 2009 7:08 PM
Sweet, thanks guys. And Hans, I am doing that, with the mud and standing water. That's part of what I'm planning for my panzer IV dio. Thanks again guys, Jim
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Posted by ajlafleche on Friday, February 6, 2009 2:45 PM
I'm with Hans...keep it as thin as possible. If you've bought any electronics, the packing foam will work. Almost as cheap are styrofoam blocks. Cut the contours and build the general shape from this.

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, February 6, 2009 2:37 PM

You'll basically re-wet the dry layer unless you seal it...  On my dioramas, the entire celluclay depth is less then a 1/2 inch... You won't need it that deep unless you're modeling a super-muddy road with deep ruts and standing water..

The depth here is about a 1/2 inch at the center...

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Posted by model maniac 96 on Friday, February 6, 2009 1:01 PM
 OK thanks. One more question, if I put a layer of Celluclay down and let it dry, is it ok to put another layer on top of it? As long as they are both thin. Thanks, Jim
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Posted by ajlafleche on Friday, February 6, 2009 12:11 PM

 model maniac 96 wrote:
you guys said that Celluclay would warp if the layer was too thick. Is about one inch too thick?? Thanks, Jim

It may not warp, but it will take way too long to dry and you may see more shrinkage. If you need something an inch thick, build up 3/4 - 7/8 inch with styrofoam then put a thin layer of celluclay.

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Posted by model maniac 96 on Friday, February 6, 2009 11:13 AM
Thanks for the tip Hans. And doog, thanks a bunch for the great tutorial,and (sorry if this is off topic) but your dio,spooked,is nothing short of completely awsome. I read the story everyday, no joke.Bow [bow]Bow [bow] and, sorry, but one more question, you guys said that Celluclay would warp if the layer was too thick. Is about one inch too thick?? Thanks, Jim
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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, February 6, 2009 5:33 AM
Keep in mind that, if you mix up too much, it keeps for long time in a zip-lock bag.  Squeeze as much air out as you can, though.. It'll eventually mold, but you CAN freeze it as well...

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Posted by Panzer_Blitz on Friday, February 6, 2009 1:51 AM

Nice tutorial Al......gives me another use for the stuff since I have an entire bag full !

You guys really do some nice work !

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Posted by the doog on Friday, February 6, 2009 1:26 AM

This little tutorial might help you;

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Posted by model maniac 96 on Thursday, February 5, 2009 10:20 PM
Sweet, thanks guys, the tutorial was good! thanks again for all your help guys. It was great! Jim
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Posted by ajlafleche on Thursday, February 5, 2009 6:08 PM
Click here for a groundwork tutorial I did using Celluclay and styrofoam.

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Posted by renarts on Thursday, February 5, 2009 6:05 PM

If you add the white glue that ajlafleche mentioned, you should have no problem with the celuclay adhereing. You can improve this by making some holes in the styrofam and pushing the celuclay into the holes that will act as anchors. Some toothpicks stuck into the foam and cut flush with the top of the layer of celuclay will also act as an anchor.

Form most of your terrain feature with the foam. Use a shallow layer of celuclay and you'll get a faster drying time, less chance of the celuclay pulling up or warping and use less material in the coverage. Celuclay warps because one side dries faster than the other. The result is that the topside, drying faster than the underside, contracts and pulls the underside up. The thinner layer of celuclay allows a more even drying.

Celuclay can hold its shape and can be manipulated into some very interesting and complex forms. But, as any soft sculpting media, the longer or taller the piece, the more subject to gravity it becomes and may have to be stabilized with an armature.

I mix my celuclay with white glue and a portion of paster of paris. Throw in any ground detrius like sand, small pebbles or kitty litter, add my water and any pigment and mix it up to a heavy oatmeal consistency. I smooth out any thing that needs smoothing with a spoon or finger dipped in water. You can use this to make mud on wheels or tracks, water, terrain, stucco etc.

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Posted by Panzer_Blitz on Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:49 PM
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 HEY! Can you apply this over styrofoam?

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I'm not real sure about styrofoam Doc, never tried that, but it might work if the openings between the styrofoam balls is large enough to give the celluclay something to hold onto

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Posted by Panzer_Blitz on Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:42 PM

You can apply the celluclay, or claycrete material to almost anything. But on a very smooth surface like styrene you may need to rough the surface up a little bit to give the glue something to hold onto.

Thin wood may be a problem as the material is very wet, and it may tend to warp the wood as it drys.

The drying time is usually over night...say a good 6-8 hours.

I've never tried to imprint a shape into this stuff, but it should work as long as you use some type of coating (light oil maybe?) on the part you want to use to keep it from sticking to the celluclay.

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Posted by model maniac 96 on Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:09 PM
Will cellucaly hold it's shape if I put push shapes into it? Thanks, Jim
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Posted by model maniac 96 on Thursday, February 5, 2009 4:53 PM
Really? that's cool! What would be the best base to lay celluclay on. Also, about how long does it take for celluclay to dry?? Thanks, Jim
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Posted by dostacos on Thursday, February 5, 2009 4:30 PM
 doc-hm3 wrote:

 HEY! Can you apply this over styrofoam?

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it does not react to the foam so it should be ok.....
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Posted by doc-hm3 on Thursday, February 5, 2009 3:52 PM

 HEY! Can you apply this over styrofoam?

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Posted by model maniac 96 on Thursday, February 5, 2009 2:55 PM
OK, cool, thanks guys! Waikong, Panzer_Blitz you guys both have very cool websites. Neat info, and Panzer_Blitz, I love those trees!! and I'll try to hit Michaels this weekend! Jim
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