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Posted by Stern0 on Sunday, March 8, 2009 10:25 AM
Tom, another quick thought...make yourself a little test road....try out different things away from the peice your working on...little less stressfulLaugh [(-D]
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Posted by Stern0 on Sunday, March 8, 2009 10:18 AM
I seem to get a finer grit from dirt...it can be broken down more than sand...almost a powder. I feel it is just the right scale. Silica would probably be fine!
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Posted by camo junkie on Sunday, March 8, 2009 10:08 AM
sterno, do u mean dirt or sand?? being in michigan, only dirt available at this time is under 10inches of snow! Laugh [(-D] i have something almost identicle to silica sand. appreciate the help too, normally i dive right in to what everyone is saying and try it out...im just at a point in my dio that i dont want to screw it up so im a little hesitant and alot confused! Laugh [(-D]
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Posted by Stern0 on Sunday, March 8, 2009 9:56 AM
I'm with the Col. on the sheetrock mud base. I do think asphalt needs a little texture, cover base with thinned white glue then sift (paint strainer) real dirt over it, then paint...I use sifted dirt for lots of applications....And it don't get no cheaper!Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]
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Posted by camo junkie on Sunday, March 8, 2009 9:53 AM
yeah but im confused. what does the sand do? i mean isnt asphalt thick black muck? wouldnt sand acomplish the same results if i just used the drywall mud? for instance i heard someone once mention to use kitty litter...how does that compare to sand? again, im not being a jerk hans...just really confused! Laugh [(-D]
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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Sunday, March 8, 2009 8:21 AM

Aquarium sand is found at pet stores and is super-fine... The silica sand would be the same thing, I guess...  There's also the sand used for sand paintings available at arts & craft stores

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Posted by camo junkie on Saturday, March 7, 2009 8:06 PM
you mean those wonderful michigan roads fermis? lol. Mischief [:-,]
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Posted by fermis on Saturday, March 7, 2009 7:21 PM
 You could use silica sand, which is in real asphalt, and avaliable at any hardware or home iprov. store. You know, now and again drivin down the road, you can see a bit of sparkle, when the sun's just right. That's the silica. It is super fine stuff. You can get a 30 or 50 Lbs. bag for a few bucks. It'll last you forever, you can pass it on to you kids!!! It'll should also work well for a south pacific dio.

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Posted by camo junkie on Saturday, March 7, 2009 7:04 PM
btw hans...aquarium sand...y? and how does that look? i mean i trust you and what your saying...just cant picture it. speaking of which do you have a road you can post a pic of on here so i can see it? if not no big deal. Thumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by camo junkie on Saturday, March 7, 2009 7:01 PM

 

yeah hans, but ya know you have to make those details. its the details that give it life and character...well, we had this conversation once b4...LOL. trust me i want to skip out on some of the details on my current dio build...modelchasm just keeps adding more details to put in it! Laugh [(-D] ultimately i understand...even though i want to quit, cut corners and smash it every time i look at it...LOL, i know that if i make the effort it should pay off. but you know all this and now i feel like im just wasting breath! guess i took the scenic route in agreeing with you!!! Laugh [(-D]

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Saturday, March 7, 2009 5:08 PM
 Division 6 wrote:

I've seen a few people use sand paper glued to a board.

Some of the black wet/dry stuff should work for smaller scales. 

 

Eric... 

Problem with that is is that folks know what sandpaper looks like, so they don't get fooled easily by it... It'll work, viewers will know what it's supposed to be, but I figure that the terrain and everything else on a diorama is the same as the models on it... You've got a model tank you're trying to make look real, structures that you're trying to make look real, so you should treat the ground the same way... You're building a model road that you want to look real... So you need to put just as much thought and effort into that road as the duece you got rolling on it, right?

Everything on the base is part of one great big model... Skimping on one part is the same as doing say, a super-detailing and beautifly painted and weathered tank, and leaving the tracks unpainted and in the "realistic color" they're molded in... 'Course, that's just me... It's also one of the reasons (ah hell, it's the MAIN reason... Who'm I kiddin'..) I have only two finished dioramas in 7 months, lol...

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Posted by camo junkie on Saturday, March 7, 2009 12:36 PM

 Hans von Hammer wrote:
Go for it... I just go the cheap route, lol...

no really i appreciate it hans alot. i also try to go the cheaper route if i can help it so i do thank you. i went this morning to look at what the model railroads have to offer...i dont think its realistic enough for what im doing...so i will try your idea and play around with my own and division 6 may go that route as well. thanks guys...and i still welcome other input!

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Posted by Division 6 on Saturday, March 7, 2009 12:05 PM

I've seen a few people use sand paper glued to a board.

Some of the black wet/dry stuff should work for smaller scales. 

 

Eric... 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Saturday, March 7, 2009 11:15 AM
Go for it... I just go the cheap route, lol...

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Posted by camo junkie on Saturday, March 7, 2009 10:11 AM
thanks as always hans...i'll give it a try...also hoping to get a few more ways other people do it as well. Thumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Saturday, March 7, 2009 9:39 AM

Dunno about any article, but I make mine from joint compound (sheetrock mud).. It'll crack naturally as it dries if you put it on thick enough too... Or you can scribe cracks into it with the backside of your knife or sawblade...

I basically just nail down (with counter-sunk straight pins) a couple strips of basswood to make the formers, then pour the mud into the form and, using another piece of basswood planking (or a popsicle stick) that's longer then the width of the form, pull it back keeping both ends on the formers and smooth the "asphalt" that way, much the same way you do concrete... I sometimes mix some black tempera paint into the mud beforehand to color it, but usually just paint it after the fact...  I use thick acrylic paint, black or very dark gray, to simulate patches...  Texture can be an issue in larger scales, I use baking soda mixed with the tempera paint in 1/48th, aquarium sand for 1/32nd-1/35th, and for 1/25th and larger regular sand...

 

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building asphalt roads
Posted by camo junkie on Saturday, March 7, 2009 8:55 AM
hey guys/gals, i was just wondering, wasnt there an article in a past fsm mag. about making asphalt roads? i could be mistaken and perhaps i saw someone do it here in the forum. at any rate, can some please help me out whether its a link or your own personal way to build them. i'd appreciate it emmensely. also interested in putting cracks in them and any info would also be appreciated. in the mean time i will do some searching on my own. thanks in advance everyone. Smile [:)]
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