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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 4, 2009 8:15 AM
 bbrowniii wrote:

To save you the trouble, here is that Wiki excerpt I mentioned:

"In fact, in late 2008 and again on March 9, 2009, the History Television channel in Canada broadcast an hour long investigation into the various claims of who fired the killing shot in the Wittmann affair. "Battlefield Mysteries," hosted by historian Norm Christie, examined the evidence in great detail and conclusively proved that it had to be a tank belonging to the Sherbrooke Fusiliers of the 2nd Canadian Armoured Brigade. Using all of the evidence currently available, and working from the very field that Wittmann was killed in, Christie used global positioning hardware to measure the distances to almost the exact meter and found that the Northamptonshire Yeomanry's tanks were almost a full kilometer (970 meters) from Wittmann's Tiger tank, but had nevertheless killed three closer Tigers involved in the counterattack, corroborating Tout's and Ekins' account. However, Wittmann's tank, furthest from the Northamptonshire Yeomanry, was found to have been only 143 meters (a mere 469 feet) from the position of the Canadian Sherbrooke Fusiliers' Sherman Fireflies and that the Tiger had received the mortal wound in its left rear quadrant, its lightly armoured Achilles heel. It is impossible for the Northamptonshire Yeomanry to have fired a shot from the opposite direction and hit his tank from the side the Canadians were on. Indeed, they were a kilometer away and 180 degrees out of position, while the Canadian tanks were by far the closest to Wittmann's Tiger-dead meat for their Firefly's 17 pounder gun at such close range. Or even a regular Sherman's 75 mm gun, considering the closeness of Wittmann's Tiger and the thin armour in the position it was penetrated. Bearing in mind the fact that German eyewitnesses testified that Wittmann's gun was turned somewhat to the right before the turret blew off, and that the death blow arrived from his left, Wittmann and his crew likely never knew what killed them."

Most of my refs mention this incident, but all discount it as having happened.
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Posted by Tankluver on Tuesday, May 5, 2009 12:01 AM
I believe that Armor battles of the Waffen SS has an account of Whittmanns death.
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Posted by vespa boy on Tuesday, May 5, 2009 9:54 AM
My one word for a first diorama, don't be too ambitious. You want to be able to finish it, learn and start on the next one and keep learning and getting better.

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Posted by vector123 on Tuesday, May 5, 2009 3:00 PM
Hey i re read that wiki page and theres a book called No Holding Back by Brian Reid and on page 213 or page 216 theres a topographical map of the battle does anyone have a pic of that map?
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 5, 2009 5:52 PM
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Posted by ogrejohn on Tuesday, May 5, 2009 7:06 PM

And what it looks like on google earth today. Well, when ever they took the photos on google earth. There is a marking that they have on there I've pointed out as tiger 007. Don't know if this is supposed to be the spot or not but looks kind of close.

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 6, 2009 10:37 AM
 ogrejohn wrote:

And what it looks like on google earth today. Well, when ever they took the photos on google earth. There is a marking that they have on there I've pointed out as tiger 007. Don't know if this is supposed to be the spot or not but looks kind of close.

 

Cool...you can see the indentations where the roads once were and are now reclaimed farmland...
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Posted by vector123 on Wednesday, May 6, 2009 3:38 PM
I think ive concluded that im going to make 2 seprate dios (i dont think i have the room to make a 15 ft one).
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Posted by bbrowniii on Thursday, May 7, 2009 8:47 PM

 vector123 wrote:
I think ive concluded that im going to make 2 seprate dios (i dont think i have the room to make a 15 ft one).

Probaby a smart move - it'll be less daunting and easier to pull off.  I'll look forward to your builds.

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Posted by vector123 on Thursday, May 28, 2009 1:55 PM
has everybody abandoned me on this one i still need more pics and info.
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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, May 28, 2009 2:44 PM
What are your specific needs at this point? I'm sure if you request exactly what you are looking for, the answers will be presented to you by all the folks here.

 

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Posted by vector123 on Thursday, May 28, 2009 2:49 PM
still need overhead photos, pics, and more info.
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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, May 28, 2009 3:04 PM

Well, the first two pages of this thread have some great overhead shots of the battlefield, including the Tiger wrecks! As well as maps, charts, etc. I think you are covered about as well as you can be from that point realisticly. I presume now you want pics of some of the particular vehicles from that engagement, of both sides. Most of what you want now in pics will most likely be found in specialty books that if scanned and posted here are gonna probably violate some copyright issues that were discussed on another thread here not too long ago.

And again I will say, be specific on what info you need and the answers will show up here. "More info" is quite vague. Markings, placements, colors, unit questions will get you more responses.

 

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Posted by vector123 on Thursday, May 28, 2009 3:41 PM

mabey where it was hit exactley i know the wiki page says it was hit on the left side but was it hit more to the top or not thats the info im looking for.  i guess iv got all im gona get for overhead shots.  but vehicle pics would be great.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 29, 2009 11:49 AM
 vector123 wrote:

mabey where it was hit exactley i know the wiki page says it was hit on the left side but was it hit more to the top or not thats the info im looking for.  i guess iv got all im gona get for overhead shots.  but vehicle pics would be great.

There is only known one pic of Tiger "007" and that was posted earlier in this thread I beleive...I know of no pics of the Allied tanks in the fight...I think you have about all you are gonna get...my advice is to research the unit insignias of the tank you believe knocked out "007" and go with artistic license... 
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Posted by vector123 on Sunday, September 27, 2009 2:57 PM
Hey guys im not done on the diorama yet.  through the summer i went on a vacation and moved into a new house so im still loooking for my modeling stuff.  il let you guys know when im done the dio.  sorry for lak of progress... ps thanks for all your guys help.
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