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1944 Cintheaux, France

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Posted by bbrowniii on Friday, May 1, 2009 7:45 PM
 vector123 wrote:

sure that would be greatly apprieciated.  browniii keep reading down the article to the most recent claim and also you should watch Battlefield Mysterys.  all im having trouble with is the landscaping.

ps there were so many tanks in the battle that im not going to get them all im going to shorten the numbers abit. Whistling [:-^]

You know what, I did read it, but I got the names mixed up...   I'm glad you directed me back to it.  Interesting stuff.  Interesting stuff indeed.

So, OK, you need pics of the village...Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by vector123 on Friday, May 1, 2009 5:02 PM
well i was going to cut down on the amount of them that were realy in the battle so 3+5=8 so i guess thats how many im using ive got 5 out of 8 already im just having trouble doing the vehicle placment and landscaping the field (because i have no pics yet).
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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, May 1, 2009 4:52 PM

HO means "Half O" scale, or 1/87th, the most popular model railroad scale.. Roco makes a lot of armor in HO scale.. When you said you were build a dio with a bunch of vehicles, I assumed you'd be working in a small scale...

You doing this in 1/35th?  What are your base dimensions and how many vehicles are you using?

 

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Posted by vector123 on Friday, May 1, 2009 4:47 PM
Im not sure what HO stands for but im making it in 1/35th scale iv looked at other forums and saw that a number of people sugested to make dios in smaller scale but im doing it. Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]
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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, May 1, 2009 4:42 PM
You working in HO scale or 1/72?

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Posted by vector123 on Friday, May 1, 2009 4:18 PM

sure that would be greatly apprieciated.  browniii keep reading down the article to the most recent claim and also you should watch Battlefield Mysterys.  all im having trouble with is the landscaping.

ps there were so many tanks in the battle that im not going to get them all im going to shorten the numbers abit. Whistling [:-^]

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 1, 2009 3:43 PM
I have an After the Battle book that goes into his death in great detail and has some arial views of the field where he died I can post if you like...never had heard Wittman referred to as the "Black Knight"...
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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, May 1, 2009 3:05 PM

Osprey makes a book on that particular engagement- Firefly Vs Tiger....

http://www.ospreypublishing.com/store/Sherman-Firefly-vs-Tiger-_9781846031502

 

 

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Posted by bbrowniii on Friday, May 1, 2009 1:52 PM

Here is the excerpt I was referring to (Itallics are mine):

"Michael Wittmann was killed on August 8, 1944 while taking part in a counterattack to retake Hill 122, near the town of St. Aignan de Cramesnil. The town and surrounding high ground had been captured a few hours previously by Anglo-Canadian forces during Operation Totalize.[21][22]

A group of seven Tiger tanks from the 3rd Company and HQ Company, Schwere SS-Panzer-Abteilung 101 supported by several Panzer IV and Stug IV were ambushed by tanks from A Squadron, 1st Northamptonshire Yeomanry, 33rd Armoured Brigade, A Squadron, the Sherbrooke Fuisilier Regiment, 2nd Canadian Armoured Brigade and B Squadron, The 144 Royal Armoured Corps, 33rd Armoured Brigade.[23][7][24][10][9][22]

The killing shots have long been thought to have come from a Sherman Firefly of ‘3 Troop', A Squadron, 1st Northamptonshire Yeomanry (commander - Sergeant Gordon; gunner - Trooper Joe Ekins), which was positioned in a wood called Delle de la Roque on the advancing Tigers' right flank[25] at approximately 12:47.[26]

It appears the shells penetrated the upper hull of the tank and ignited the Tiger's own ammunition, causing a fire which engulfed the tank and then blew off the turret.[27]"

 

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Posted by bbrowniii on Friday, May 1, 2009 1:48 PM

 vector123 wrote:
It was but the Canadian forces that distroyed the tank were behind a wall that was just beside one of the towns.

I thought the wiki article implies that this claim for his death is inaccurate.  That the forces most likely responsible were in a treeline opposite the town?

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Posted by vector123 on Friday, May 1, 2009 1:38 PM
It was but the Canadian forces that distroyed the tank were behind a wall that was just beside one of the towns.
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Posted by bbrowniii on Friday, May 1, 2009 1:20 PM
 vector123 wrote:

i need pics of the field his tank was destroyed in and the wall the canadian forces were behind.

Heres a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/michael_wittman

The link you posted does not work.  Try this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Wittman.  According to that link the only known picture of the tank was taken a year after its destruction.  The picture is included.  If you are doing a dio of the site, it does not look like you'll need much of the village - the tank appears to be in the middle of a field.

 

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Posted by vector123 on Friday, May 1, 2009 1:05 PM
Also any battle info would be greatly appriciated.
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Posted by vector123 on Friday, May 1, 2009 12:24 PM
o sorry i also need pictures of Saint-Aignan-de-Cramesnil.
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Posted by vector123 on Friday, May 1, 2009 10:56 AM

i need pics of the field his tank was destroyed in and the wall the canadian forces were behind.

Heres a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/michael_wittman

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 1, 2009 10:03 AM
A little more background info please...
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1944 Cintheaux, France
Posted by vector123 on Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:45 PM
Im making a diorama about the black barons death and need pictures of cintheaux, france and the wall.  if anyone can help.
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