~ ! Clash in Tunisia ! ~ { Final Photos on page 37 }

*INDY

I'm not going to quote your little rant so you can go back and edit it

It is good netiquette to crop down responses to focus any partiular statement one comments on.

Are you accusing me of altering statements I quote and then comment on? If so, could you please point to any examples of such?

DoC 

Thanks for listening and problem solving on this one everyone. I'm sorry I felt it took such a rash action on my part.

No attempt to be anything other than helpful and I'm sorry it was taken a very differnt direction and turned nasty.

I'll be around keeping an eye on some builds and some friends.

I hope everyone the best in their endevors and builds.

Chris, good call on editing your post.

That says a lot more about a person than any words that may have been exchanged, in my opinion.

INDY, good too, that you've seen the light on this sorry exchange that happened here.

EVERYONE--can we just liken the decorum to being a guest in someone's house? You wouldn't go in and start complaining about the decor, or layout of their house. Likewise, when you have "guests", you shouldn't berate them or be rude.

Let's edit out the offensive portions, guys, and let this fine thread continue, huh? Nobody is looking any "bigger" for some of the silly things being posted here.

Hey Guys,

I have had misunderstandings on the forums and I have also dealt with them honestly and with maturity. In fact the Doog and I had a misunderstanding about a comment a couple months ago and the elder statesmen of the forums and cooler heads prevaailed and we were able to mend fences have a really great phone conversation and also edit our posts and move on.  Which was really important to me because of the respect I have for Karl and myself and for all the work i put into the WIP.

As everyone is aware of everyone that posted can edit their posts and shake it off which is really the best approach due to the fact that Adam has put a lot of work into this WIP and I beleive it will be a great resource and tutorial going forward.  I also believe it is very important to police ourselves.  My wife calls this men drama!  At least that is what she calls mine.  I had some yesterday at the IPMS Show!  It's no Suprise that artistic people have differences of opinions.

Anyway my heart goes out to the anyone that has had their feelings hurt and remember Peace not Pieces!

Jeez, what happened here?, i was really enjoying following this thread for a long time now,
and it seems to have been hijacked by personal grudges?

Might i suggest PM's for this sort of thing?, that way it won't look so rude, when Indy has
been working very hard on this project and sharing all his techniques with us.

Anyway enough of that sort of thing, i really like the way your detail painting is going
on the figs, cool to show real equipment too.
Are you giving these guys a full wash?, or just in the creases?

While it may be unprofessional, cheap, and sleezy, and ultimately maybe not the best choice Chris could have made ..... Honestly, I can't blame him. We've all been guilty at some point in time or another in letting someone else that's being unprofessional, cheap, and sleezy get under our skin. Whether it be out on the highway or in a forum. We've all been guilty of blowing up .... however "uneccessary" it may be.

I think Indy will be just fine in the long run. He'll keep posting on his WIP's and everything will be finished as he sees it.

Nice work on this dio by the way ..... AT-A-BOY, INDY!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lufttiger

Jeez, what happened here?, i was really enjoying following this thread for a long time now,
and it seems to have been hijacked by personal grudges?

Might i suggest PM's for this sort of thing?, that way it won't look so rude, when Indy has
been working very hard on this project and sharing all his techniques with us.

Anyway enough of that sort of thing, i really like the way your detail painting is going
on the figs, cool to show real equipment too.
Are you giving these guys a full wash?, or just in the creases?

It was 

As far as I'm concerned.... from the start of the problem.

 I'm just trying to contribute some high quality content to this Forum, to give something to those that are interested, show how I do things and have some good conversations that are directly related to the project. I have no problem with pointers or critism from someone who  can be believed to really be trying to help and take part....but not from anyone just waiting for a chance to be critical or lecture me about what a poor job I'm doing,(about 4 people out of  [as of time of writing] - 43,695 Views between the two sites this build is posted on!!  )  I recieve enough respect from many excellent modelers that have assured my this is a great blog, that I really can't be troubled by the likes of these few. The only troubling part is that I like to produce a high quality  thread but cannot be responsible for what some members(or  X-members) try to use the space for. Thank you again to all those that appreciate my work.

The perfect figure if you don't like what you're hearing.

 Work on him went pretty quickly, using methods all conventional to those seen in this blog

 ~Lufttiger~ Thank you for saying all of that an trying to get us back on track---big time!  As for washes, that's always a good step after base coat, to define the subtle fold of clothes, ect. I try to cover one continuous surface at a time and work the wash into the right spots kinda as it dries. This is usually a starting point for shadows for me and later Ill place color very delibertly and carefully wet some areas to get the paint moving and smoothing. So short answer is --both--or either.---often I'll apply a thin line of thin paint into a shadow, and with a 2nd small round moist brush, create a local wet area, and go little by little,across a garmet? Make any sense?

the doog

Chris, I'm not going to try to get in between you and INDY, or comment on whatever the beef is between you two, but I will say that the posting of PRIVATE conversations is just SLEAZY and CHEAP. Te heck with "Forum decorum"--that's just crosses the line of what a decent human being would do.

That says a lot more about a person than any words that may have been exchanged, in my opinion.

INDY, in fairness, I agree that it was rude for you to tell someone to shove off because they criticized something about your post, or even the magazine. That's not smart behavior for fostering an environment where people will feel welcomed to post their comments.

EVERYONE--can we just liken the decorum to being a guest in someone's house? You wouldn't go in and start complaining about the decor, or layout of their house. Likewise, when you have "guests", you shouldn't berate them or be rude.

Let's edit out the offensive portions, guys, and let this fine thread continue, huh? Nobody is looking any "bigger" for some of the silly things being posted here.

Karl, well said. Thanks for trying to improve the situation. Words of wisdom from a veteran Forum member

Schnobs

Hey Guys,

I have had misunderstandings on the forums and I have also dealt with them honestly and with maturity. In fact the Doog and I had a misunderstanding about a comment a couple months ago and the elder statesmen of the forums and cooler heads prevaailed and we were able to mend fences have a really great phone conversation and also edit our posts and move on.  Which was really important to me because of the respect I have for Karl and myself and for all the work i put into the WIP.

As everyone is aware of everyone that posted can edit their posts and shake it off which is really the best approach due to the fact that Adam has put a lot of work into this WIP and I beleive it will be a great resource and tutorial going forward.  I also believe it is very important to police ourselves.  My wife calls this men drama!  At least that is what she calls mine.  I had some yesterday at the IPMS Show!  It's no Suprise that artistic people have differences of opinions.

Anyway my heart goes out to the anyone that has had their feelings hurt and remember Peace not Pieces!

 

Edmund, what can I say to that. You're right, and my wife scoffs at the "mandrama" too. I really appreciate you're imput here, and your faith in me as an artist. I suppose this too shall pass. I've gotta get back to work

Thanks my friend!

modelchasm

While it may be unprofessional, cheap, and sleezy, and ultimately maybe not the best choice Chris could have made ..... Honestly, I can't blame him. We've all been guilty at some point in time or another in letting someone else that's being unprofessional, cheap, and sleezy get under our skin. Whether it be out on the highway or in a forum. We've all been guilty of blowing up .... however "uneccessary" it may be.

I think Indy will be just fine in the long run. He'll keep posting on his WIP's and everything will be finished as he sees it.

 

Nice work on this dio by the way ..... AT-A-BOY, INDY!!!!!!!!!!!!

Scott~ I'm sure you're right...and thank you for that post. Some of that isn't the easiest to put to words, and I think you made an unquestionably honest go of it.  I appreciate it.

The perfect figure if you don't like what you're hearing.

 Work on him went pretty quickly, using methods all conventional to those seen in this blog

 

*INDY

Hey Boydd,

Man thanks for throwin in a good answer to that accordian question--sorry to try and shut down that convo,,I was just amazed to see 3 posts about that 2 months later from people that had nothing at all to say about what was really going on on the thread....Like I said..at least I know you are viewing it, and you've already told me you like what I'm doing so--that's cool--you're always cool Buddy--thanx!

Indy

Thanks for the 'special shout out'.  I appreciate it.  I was just glad I could answer the question before it got things going too far sideways.

As always, I'm lurking here, my mouth agape at your work - please don't take my silence for a lack of interest or amazement.  It's just hard to reply when you are speechless...

Keep up the great work!

*INDY

                       ----If there's any specific questions--please ask them....regarding technique or whatever else you think is missing ...as Doog said..it's a ton of work already---you are saying I need to do an even more involved detailed explaination and I haven't heard you ask anything. My thread doesn't asume this is the 1st WIP someones ever read, but does include tons of basic technique, and more. I don't stop to explain the jargon commonly used, as that really gets tiresome for most people to read- and I realize alot of details can hide behind any one simple word, such as wash, blend, and darken-  but if there's some actual questions..please ask.

I'm going to echo what doog said - I think you are doing a heck of a job and I, personally, think there is a TON of technique in here.  I believe in one of my earliest posts in this thread I commented on just that thing - how nicely you laid out the steps to get from point A to point G, with photos showing many of the interveneing steps.  I'll also echo your comment above, Indy.  I think you have been really proactive about taking the time not only to respond to us every time we post, but you also have answered some techniques questions with a great deal of clarity and detail.  So, I'd say you should just keep doing what you are doing because, for me, as a relatively 'basic' modeler, I've learned a great deal from this.

INDY, as a bunch, that is just an awesome group of figures!

I just went back and looked at most of the whole thread, and your work is top-notch in this one--the models and especially your base--just really an effort of true dedication and a pursuit of excellence.

Awsom Indy, freaking awsome.

What size brush it that bud???

Bob

~Boydd~ Hey Buddy, I really appreciate you coming back and saying all that. I believe it's true, I've done everything I can to answer each and every post addressed to me, and like I said try to create the best build log I can besides the project itself. Sometimes the silence get discouraging, but that passes, especially when great guys like you  remind me they want the blog, and reallyI know it's a long-term resource.   Thanks for your confirming that excellence prevails here...I'll endevour to live up to that.

Karl~ It's a great honor & a pleasure to get such a positive evaluation from such an experienced and excellent modeler & blogger &' watchful eye' as yourself. I'm just glad you've been through the whole thread and really enjoyed it, and thanks for your steady support-I know it's there if needed. Truely the figures are designed and painted to be viewed as a whole group--usually the only way you usually see them in a DIo. I think it's a really rare thing to see a blog go on to detail so much of this phase--and really it's pretty painful at times...posting halfbaked figures, when i could just spend that time continueing toward completion, and not show zoom shots of details that will be not likely seen if the final presentation at all. O f course I'm trying to do something a bit different, and better, if possible, and show some helpful ways to deal with 14 figures at once.

~Bob~ Thanks to you Buddy you are the absolute BEST!  i really always love hearing from you. that brush pictured above is a 5/0 Liner from Screaming Eagle (one of my favs for figures!) about $6 at Micheals..I gotta bail to work---

thanks guys---Cya all soon~~~~

Gents,

Let's try to keep the conversation productive and avoid the kind of personal back-and-forth that was present over the last couple of pages.

Cheers,

Aaron

Aaron~  Thanks for trying to maintain decorum and ensure quality. I will endevour to hold up my end.

   lots more reference

 

I'm finding the metal figures are fantastic when you go to finish all the little fittments--instead of needing to paint those harness-rings a bit of gentle scratching shows the bright metal under the paint and has the real look to it.

 

Some collector got a nice haul for Chrismas! A bit of good reference for gas mask, ammo & fuelcan for us too.

This guy still has his additude problems but is close to finished

 

Here's what I mean about a production line. To speed things up some, you may as well handle the field kits all at once--each canteen, each breadbag should all be about the same anyway so layer by layer, I move from one to the next, though the DAK Sentry was basically finished alone as I was concentrating efforts then, but I'm checking to make sure everything is consistaint, though not nessessarily matching.

 

 

 

 ~~With this last figure started, they have all recieved alot of work  and soon as I have those guys above done I'll get back to the British force and finish up!......................

Man this is a great toot.  I porint every new page Adam..........thanks buddy.

Bob

M1Carbine

Man this is a great toot.  I porint every new page Adam..........thanks buddy.

Bob

~Bob~ You're too cool -  have at it Man!

~Wayne ~ That's Awsome- thanks & welcome home!

 

I... AM.... SO... SPEECHLESS... 

!Andy~  Enough said  Thanks Buddy--I'm still working on him--but very close.

 

*INDY

 

 

 

Instead of painting the "5:00 shadow" on the face with paint, use black pastel, or MIG pigments on a brush to add shadow to the face. Slap it on, and then use another short brush to whisk some of it away, leaving a much more subtle and realistic impression of the stubble.

Looking very nice Adam! 

Karl that's a great tip on the 5 o'clock shadow.!  I will have to try that!

Karl~ Thanks & thanks for trying to help--that may be a good way to create a 5'O clock shadow-if that's what I was after on the loader....but like I had  said on page 26 of this long blog  I wasn't going for stubble

""I  gave the loader an even heavier beard(salt 'n' peppa) with a liquid putty undercoat""

I actually wanted him sporting a fuzzy beard, not just stuble, to emphasize  how unrested and overworked he is.......    and actually textured his face with Tamiya Liquid Surface Putty---terrific stuff for adding or removing slight textures-have you tried it yet?

~~if I wanted to portray a "5O'clock shadow" I would likely choose to use the accepted figure painters convention of mixing some Paynes grey into the base flesh color and thinly applying to the beard-pattern area like I did here.

 

I'm sure you remember Mr. Ron Pearlman ? 

~Edmund~  Thanks for poppin in & good to see ya my friend !

Adam - is Mr. Pearlman getting a beard????

Bob~ That's it--just a shadow of grey stuble  

*INDY

Karl~ Thanks & thanks for trying to help--that may be a good way to create a 5'O clock shadow-if that's what I was after on the loader....but like I had  said on page 26 of this long blog  I wasn't going for stubble

""I  gave the loader an even heavier beard(salt 'n' peppa) with a liquid putty undercoat""

I actually wanted him sporting a fuzzy beard, not just stuble, to emphasize  how unrested and overworked he is.......    and actually textured his face with Tamiya Liquid Surface Putty---terrific stuff for adding or removing slight textures-have you tried it yet?

~~if I wanted to portray a "5O'clock shadow" I would likely choose to use the accepted figure painters convention of mixing some Paynes grey into the base flesh color and thinly applying to the beard-pattern area like I did here.

 

I'm sure you remember Mr. Ron Pearlman ? 

~Edmund~  Thanks for poppin in & good to see ya my friend !

~Doog~ Thanks again---& will do!

~~Well maybe it was too much contrast on those trousers after all.   

I also weathered the emblem slightly that I'd afixed to his helmet with a touch of the sand-colored pigment mix for the Dio---I used this on  his boots & the boots of some of the others too (not pictured) That Emblem is from  Eduard by the way and is colored P.E.

Having these tiny detail items stuck-down not only makes painting a breeze, but  attachment and painting of small straps like this FAR easier too--that is some small fiddlely stuff!  I added the chipped-up sand-colored paint to the grenades with a very pointy brush( I've noticed these stick grenades we're painted with whatever available paint usually was used for helmets and such and rarely stayed coverd very well before use--although I think I like to portray them simply as 'steel' most of the time)