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~ ! Clash in Tunisia ! ~ { Final Photos on page 37 }

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Posted by *INDY on Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:28 AM
~~~~~After application of Future to seal the chipped paint on truck & wheels, everything was put aside a day or so.... then...
 
~As much as I liked  the look of the tires above, having the look of aged rubber, they looked scrubbed-clean, so at some point they would need to be blitzed with sand.....
 
 
I applied a thick sludge-wash of CMK pigment powders in alcohol(50/50 mix of 03 Sandy Dust & 08 Light Earth) I'm new to this brand powders, they seem every bit the match and a fraction of the price of MIG's, as much as I like those. The CMK  loses marks only for it's opaque bottle that hides the color(easy to fix with sample stuck to it) After applying the sludge and letting it dry, I removed as much as I could with a wet brush, but was unsatisfied, and so used a small brush to 'flow' some mix into the treads, to get that thick grainy earthwork look.
 
 
After letting them dry again, I lightly "padded-dowh" the tires with an Ultra-Fine 3M Sanding Pad, and  with that they were entirely finished. For some that say they don't love pigment powders, I would suggest that removing them carefully is just as importaint as applying them. Techniques are needed for both.
 
 
 
 
 
My finished wheels, encrusted with sand. HEY! somethings finished!
 
 
 

I chipped the fuel cans as randomly as I could imagine, I'll add some detail with the brush just as with the truck, which is done with that faze:
 

Alot of the final chipping work is subtle, even if the overall look isn't..
 
 
Some of the finer brass details required some tedious work with the tip of the knife to make it look consistant with the rest.
 

Here I mocked up the wheels to have a look.  Next step is to paint-in the tilt. (Note: the correct-seemng sand color washed into the tires turned out to be a very close match to the sand-paint at it's lightest point(tops)--like I said--a challenge to get right)
 
 

~OK Gents, thanks again for tuning in, I'd love to hear what you guys think so far, and I'm looking forward to getting this baby on the road!

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Posted by Schnobs on Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:32 AM

Hey Adam,

First of all you know my affinity for freshly painted tires I can't get enough of them.  It's a crying shame what had to be done with the tires but necessary!  Looks great!  I like the method you used I will have to try that.  This is one beaten up soft skin.  Holy Bejesus but very believable.

You are doing fantastic work both in the building and documenting of this build.  I will be referring to this WIP for years to come I am sure!

I can't wait for figures!!!

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Posted by M1Carbine on Friday, January 15, 2010 11:20 AM

Adam;

WOW! this is un-real man.  Every so often I have to start from page one and sit with mouth agape in awe.

 

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Posted by Buddho on Friday, January 15, 2010 6:26 PM

This is incredible....

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Posted by *INDY on Saturday, January 16, 2010 11:32 AM

Buddho

This is incredible....

Edmund~  Your imput is always appreciated and you obsevations are 2nd to none. Likewise I cherish comments like that for all time my friend!!

BoB~ You a great man to have on my team! For sure... Im glad you are getting the most from the entire Blog, I am commiting this one to history for better or worse~~

Buddho~ Sometimes less is more. What a great thing to add, Thanks and it should even keep getting better.

 

Now thing start to really happen

 

The AIRBRUSH however, did not seem to be in his toolbox.........
 
Painting the Tilt
 
You may remember the 'practice' tarps I made as a quick demo for possible uses of the Milliput tarp technique? I had painted two of them with the chocolate 'pre-shades' just as I did on the truck's cargo-area-covering.

I used them as practice for all the painting steps as well, to work out any color changes or bugs of the process, without risk to my model.The tarp covering stacked equipment(on the left) I used to try to get things to go wrong, testing the limits, as it we're, and the 'thrown-aside' tarp(on the right) I tried to present an example of everything going just right.

The finished tilt-cover, coming up in the next post, is in-between the two, but servicable. It's features we're just a little too complex and folds just a bit too deep for as Ideal a result as the tarp on the right. It is just about what I was after.
 
 
As I had made a mess off the example on the left, I evened it out with an over-all darker spray in the end, to "save it", more or less, should I ever decide to use either of these. For now they go into my "painted spares box" which is fattening rapidly!
~~The process is the same for on the model, and is very simple, but not so easy , as it's all freehand airbrush work, and it's a challenge to get a realistic amount of shadow and definition, while not making it look too obvious what you're doing, and so not getting the look of something obviously painted, something I dispise, and will often shy away from a maximum of contrast for this reason, against popular practice.
~~~I mixed five different paint colous from Tamiya jars, and saved them all in small disposable cups with lids. The middle tone was mixed from,XF-49 Khaki,XF-57 Buff, and XF-67 Nato Green. Two  progressively darker shades we're made with XF-52 Flat earth &  XF-1 Flat  Black....and two lighter tints made by adding more Buff & XF-2 Flat White to the first three colours Everything is thinned with 70% alcohol to a whole milk-like viscosity.

~Continued with the main event.....

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Posted by Schnobs on Saturday, January 16, 2010 11:40 AM

You are most welcome Adam!

I agree the tarp on the left is primo and very well sculpted I might add but I probably won't!  Big Smile

Looks great man!  I want to find the inventor of Milliput and give him a bone crushing hug!  Wink

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Posted by *INDY on Saturday, January 16, 2010 11:45 AM
~Continued
~~To begin with, I masked off the entire truck with Tamiya tape, except  for the cab, whch I covered with one of those small zip-bags our resin parts are shipped in. This let me avoid sticking anything to my very well-worked surfaces, or having to burnish tape over all that photo-etch, and also let me see the body-paint to compare colors during the process.
 
My area of over-spray wasn't so large, but I wasn't taking any chances after the number of hours into the paintwork!
 


~1st an over-all spray of the mid-tone, as even as possible, but thin enough to still detect the' pre-shading'. Followed by some 'filling-in' with the 1st shade , into the recesses of the folds. I started with my Iwata HP-CR for this part of the job, but after this did an airbrush switch, for the fine-line work, to my HP-B and turned the compressor down from about 20PSI to about 14PSI.
 
 


Again I worked with the 1st shade, with the finer gun, and then worked the darker shade into the deepest areas, though it was quite difficult aiming and required great care.


Here the shadows are in, and highlights are applied last to the most prominate features. i wish I could say it ws all easy as that... but it took a fair amount of going back and forth between colors, to get the right effect, without looking too contrasted or stark.
 
 
 
Here's the finished product, with soft-enough colour changes,and appropriate lack of hard-edges . Hey! Something else is finishedBig Smile
 
 
 
 
I'll allow the paint to fully cure, and apply a sealing flat coat before unmasking, becuse I want the tilt protected, but don't want the bodywork matted yet.
 
 

So you'll have to stay tuned to see the whole thing together(me too  Stick out tongue)
 
 

Some of the colors used we're just right to base-coat some of the garmets on my figures, so work on them unceremoniously commenced on those......
 
Thanks for joining me.....tommarrow we'll have a look.......................... 

 

EDIT P.S> Thanks for that Ed. I see you squeeked in the comment in-between posts again! That's OK still valuable. Yeah--I got this post half-down and the FSM server went all fritzy again and I thought it was all gone......I had recovered half of it. Hopefully this looks like the post now when I push the little button !.

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Posted by Buddho on Saturday, January 16, 2010 11:16 PM

Did you modify and repose the figures?

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Posted by I make stuff on Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:28 AM

I'm watching and taking notes, Adam.  I plan to use the tarp method to make some window shades for that wacky tractor I am working up, it came wiht some molded ones that look like a piece of sprue, and that will never do.

your cover/tarp looks amazing, really real, realistic!

Thanks for the detail, I love this thread.

PS:  batten down the hatches, we are supposed to get some makor rain starting tomorrow night.

Great work really great work!

Bill

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Posted by jetmodeler on Sunday, January 17, 2010 9:28 AM

Wow. The chipping on the truck looks real. I might have to try that on the project I'm working on now. The tarp looks amazing.

 

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Posted by vespa boy on Sunday, January 17, 2010 6:14 PM

Indy:  the truck looks amazing. I really like the wear on the paint. Its set the bar very high for the rest of the dio. I hope you don't take this the wrong way...the tarp looks very good and it s ahuge improvement over any kit piece, but not as good as the rest of the truck. It may be the photos.  You can always do the old trick of checking it out in a mirror. If I am out of line saying this, please let me know, I really don't want to upset anyone. Keep it coming, its great seeing this come together step by step.

 

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Posted by *INDY on Sunday, January 17, 2010 8:14 PM

Things are moving along pretty well now that the cargo-cover is finished.
 
 

Still have to window glazing to get to, the stowage, and some add-on details like rear-view-mirrors, before final weathering
 
 

Before unmasking the painted tilt. I shot it with a few thin mists of my favorite , Testors Dull-coat. It killed the entire paint effect I'd achieved. I know people have had issues with Dull-coat as it's quite powerful ,being laquer---it's still my favorite as I've been swearing by it for decades....but in this case it filled-in all the powdery-dry paint I'd built up, obscuring the color-changes and graduation greatly. I had to go back in and add the shadows all over again, and after that it looked drained of all colour, And i knew something wasn't right with it....(actually it took some nudging from the Mrs. to go back and get the best I could out of the job!! I'm a lucky Man , to be sure)...She was right in doing so....... so resuming the mid-tone spraying, I repaired that color issue, and added a more subtle group of shadows and a few highlights, resulting in something I ended up liking even better than before!
 
 

The wood of the cargo-bed, though likely painted originally, needed to worn bare but show signs of paint along it's side-walls. For the 'deck', I dry-brushed up the grain with some Testors Enamels, first a cream color, then something more goldenrod. Then I made a few different filters essentially, from  Daler Rowney Inks,Yellow Ochre & Sepia in water, and put them down with a large liner brush going with the grain. I used another liner brush wet with water along the same lines to pull colour back up and get the splotchy wood-grain pattern. This will be largely ofiscated by stowage, but I wanted the 'deck' to appear to be wood where seen.
 
 

Afrika Corps insignia was added with fine Archer transfers, and chipped up a little, but by no means weathered yet.(Why didn't I get these for the last 2 builds!!) They are awsome, and worked perfectly applied dry in this case.
 
 
 
 

The licence decal is from the Tamiya kit, and will be well obscured by sand. later. The horseshoe is from the Verlinden Kubelwagon set(I always wanted to add one of these!)
 

 
 

I made 'an ad-hoc' bracket for the spare with some scrap P.E. brass and wingnuts & atttached the wheel with some gel C/A
 

~Still some fun to be had with this build...please hang with me..............

oh comments....sorry:
~Buddho~ Read the start of the  build, Buddy, there's detail about the figures build-up, no real paint on them yet though. Some are stock, some slightly converted, some greatly.
~Bill~ Thanks greatly for your excellent comments(never stop! Stick out tongue) It's a totally usable techique for the tarps you can get the hang of in a sitting. Yup it's dumpin rain! HUGE news here in So. Cal.!!
~Jetmod~ Thanks my friend. Great to hear it. Thanks for riding along too.
~Narayan~ No, Man, that's fine if that's your true observation. I value your eye, for sure. Truth is, things have been going along far too well on this thread for it to be an FSM blog  Surprise In this case though...I think it was down to it not being done---I like it alot better now ,than I did as it looked when you based that comment. .......At this point, I'd say t suits the truck perfectly, and I'm altogether happy with it. As for setting my own bar very high, I know that. I wouldn't have it any other way...I'm sure you relate to that .   True, once you set the bar, you must continue to produce only that which meets it, particularly  within the scope of a given  work.
~~~~~Cheers Mateys.....as so many of my mogeller friends say.............

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Posted by psstoff995's lbro on Sunday, January 17, 2010 9:22 PM

That cover looks awesome.

Nice touch with that horseshoe as well YesYes  you continue to amaze!

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Posted by Schnobs on Sunday, January 17, 2010 9:23 PM

WOW! WOW!! WOW!!!

This is fantastic work Adam!  I do not know where to start. The tilt is awesome!  I love MIG production's stuff and their Opel Blitz Half tilit is wonderful but this has so much character and is handmade!  Amazing! 

Now let's move on to the wood finish of the cargo area and stay there for awhile!  Very cool and well done!!  Yes

The roof spare tire rack is also Killer and great touch for tonality and depth od the model. Adds visual complexity and height to the model.  LIKE IT ALOT!!!

Great job man I would be proud to have that on my shelf that's for sure!!!

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Posted by vespa boy on Sunday, January 17, 2010 10:02 PM

Thanks Indy. It looks a lot better. Kudos. What I was also missing when I looked earlier (it took me some time to work out why I had that reaction) was some scale dust and sand to connect the battered tarp with the battered truck. Nice work. Its a bummer when varnish kills delicate matte finishes, but you really got it back.

You're not the only one who relies on your better half's eye!

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Posted by *INDY on Sunday, January 17, 2010 10:35 PM

Yeah, it's kinda crazy, but if I hadn' ruined the finish on the thing it wouldn't be as good as it is now!Huh?

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~Will~ Super happy to hear that stuff, thanks.

~Edmund~ The best friend a guy could have  Embarrassed You are so sublimely competitive-you have to be the best at being a friend too!! Wink Kiddin aside, you know how it is to be....you name it.. The guy getting feedback about your build for one thing---thanks you so much for all of those close observations linked with positive, enthusiastic compliments I'll be sure to feel encouragement from ! Cool!  That's a rare and apreciated thing hitting each feature of the post in turn. Oh Snap!Big SmileI loved it.

~Narayan~  Right on man, no harm, no foul, glad you see clear to aproving at this point. Really there isn't any final weathering anywhere yet, Unless You can see as good as me  it fits at this point.    I'll tell you, life would have been simpler if I'd have just bought one of those MIG covers that Ed has pictured above(if it wasn't out-of-stock EVERYWHERE) I think the # Mig cast is a tiny fraction of the number of  4x2 3ton German Trucks Tamiya has sold----even still, I got something more unique, more thrashed,as I wanted, and saved enough to pick up somthing nice for the wifeWinkand She deserves that and better cause She is the secret source of all my magic!Beer cheers to her, and yours as well!

 

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Posted by jetmodeler on Monday, January 18, 2010 10:13 AM

I only have one word to say,

WOW!

 

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Posted by *INDY on Tuesday, January 19, 2010 8:01 AM

jetmodeler

I only have one word to say,

WOW!

That 1 word does nicely, Thanks!

~~~~~~~I'm in the "Selective Pin-Wash" Phase Taking my time with that & when it's done I'll get 'round to the sand & dust, windows, and the final small bits.....................update pending..........................

 

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Posted by M1Carbine on Tuesday, January 19, 2010 2:42 PM

Hol cr*#!ola Adam.  Wow is not enough, but I cant think of a good enough word....Ahh....how about..

 

FREAKING AWSOME!

 

Bob

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Posted by Schnobs on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 2:44 AM

Excuse me Adam I don;t meant to step on your thread but I wanted to give Wayne the correct link:

http://migproductions-usa.com/

Go register and order there and you will deal directly with Rick Lawler.   I just received my first order from him today and it was a joy and he is as wonderful to work with as his models are to look at!

Back to the regular scheduled WIP!

Great Job Adam!!!  Woo! Woo!

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Posted by *INDY on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 2:48 AM

~~Ha Gman-- mostly I like the storms--though I dont live in the foothills and fear the mudSad of course it was like a Typhoon at times--that WAS nuts.

As for where to aquire the proper supplies--pigments whatever--I get nearly all of it online. If you want to try the CMK pigments ,they are good and cheap at www.greatmodels.com  

The MIG pigments are great of course to and come in some of the best colors, get them from Rick @ www.migproductions-usa.com 

~~And yeah, now that that thing is done I can get this all together in short time!! Yeah!

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Posted by *INDY on Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:58 AM

~ED~Looks like we we're posting at just the same moment last time  Surprise "Great minds......"  turned into a bit of an information cluser. Oh well,, better too much than not enough"

~BoB~ A great big thanks Man--- great WORD!

update

       Unmasked the cab and started to look at the possibility of a door-ajar, as part of the action of the moment, and gives a glimps of the interior,
 


Still have yet to add that window-glass at all, and put that classic dust onto the windscreen. Maybe a half-eaten shnitzle on the dash?Stick out tongue Nah...
 
 

Looks a bit basic inside at this point, at least the popular bench seat can be seen, not much sign of the instruments any more however  Crying 


Still adding layers to the jerrycans here and there as I go.


And some of the other sowage items I'm considering. Here are scratchbuilt crates I've been working at on & off. I made the 'captured' O.D. Bazooka case too(at 3:00 Oclock) The 2 crates at 4:00 'Oclock came with the Pak40, for it's ammo, the 2 wheels with the Kubelwagon, and that reel of wire is an Academy item.
 


~~People keep suggesting using 'real' wood to model wood, but I'm having a great time simulating woodgrains in styrene. This example has grain very deliberately scribed in with a #11 blade, base coated with Tamiya TS-46 Light Sand, and painted-over with a few shades made of Burnt Sienna Winton Oil paint.
 
*****Back as fast as I can--I don't have alot of great things to say about this week--I know lots of you can relate to that for 1 reason or another----But progress MUST be made on this project without fail!!Zip it!             Thanks for attending.............................Indy

 

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Posted by *INDY on Friday, January 22, 2010 6:35 PM
Update for 1 / 22 / 10, or as you Gents say.....22 / 1/ 10
         NEWSFLASH ~ Indy uses Pigment Powders through Airbrush, Gets Dust Glaze
 

This chap had to cross continents and switch theatres to see ths. So I needed to get that really dusty windshield look, and give a light over-all dusting, to unify my heavy weathering into something sensible....I used the same pigment powder mix Id made up for the tire tread to color some Vallejo Matt Varnish thinned with water. I tried mixing some paint to match, but none matched color as well as the powders, so I melted a little of it in the varnish to make a glaze.
 
 

Of course I had to mask of the wiper-pattern, which seemed easier than it was to get right, I just cut the mask again & again 'til I had some that worked. One tip for this I realized, is stack two pieces of tape before cutting, as you will need two identical or near-identical pieces(depending on the vehicle) and cut through both at once.
 
 

Yes, I went for a heavy effect(what's new  Surprise) but I did it to avoid high contrast with the 'wiped' portion of the windscreen, which didn't look right. I also used a bit of the 'glaze' "over-all" to get a light dusting sitting on tops, and a bit heavier up the sides. You should be able to see how the dark 'chips' are somewhat blended now.
 
 

You can see out, not well, but you can. Gives the impression of being parked in a dusty spot a few hours at least--perfect to my Dio story.
 
 

The plastering  of sand was exactly what was needed.

 
I really like the sort of over-all dusting this gave. My thanks out to Steve Zagola, as The Dust Glaze seems to be one of his 'signature moves'.My first try with it, my first try with the Vallejo Matt Varnish and that seemed a treat as well.

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I needed to get some dust onto that tilt, and without changing the color or look of it much, this seemed to work fairly well.....
 
Still plenty of details to see to, my favorite part. Also some  more careful additional dusting with varied pigments....

~On the home-strech now with this one  Big Smile

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Posted by Schnobs on Friday, January 22, 2010 6:50 PM

Adam I like them weathered and beat up but this one takes the cake and the coffee!

Your Opel looks like Tommy the Opel with his little paint mask eyes.  Maybe we could start a new toy brand that would be more manly than Tommy the Train!  What do you say we transport some vital was suppiles to the front kiddies!

Again i know I repeat myslef but the Tilt is the Cats Pajamas!!!!

Well done my friend well done!!!  Yes

 

 

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Posted by Mic on Saturday, January 23, 2010 1:51 AM

Its a MONSTER, Indy. Exceptional work. Tarp really looks amazing. And that wood grain is definitely eye-foolin'. The close up is remarkable.

Steve

 

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Posted by razorboy on Saturday, January 23, 2010 6:39 AM

Coming along nicely Indy, LOVE that weathering!

Well done, well done indeed!!!!

rb

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Posted by jetmodeler on Saturday, January 23, 2010 11:09 AM

Looks great. If you were to make one of those pic's a b&w photo it could really fool somebody. It looks so real.Bow Down

 

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Posted by I make stuff on Sunday, January 24, 2010 12:32 AM

This is really REALLY an amazing WIP. Every angle, every shot.

This one is like reading Hemingway, delicious all the way through, but then you realize, there's less and less until its done.

I want to see this complate, Indy, but I don't want it to end.

Bill 

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Posted by deafpanzer on Sunday, January 24, 2010 10:09 PM

WOW! Yes  This is one of the best work I have seen so far... AWESOME!  I'd be tempted to write 'WASH ME' in Germany on the window... looking forward to the end! 

Andy

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Posted by *INDY on Monday, January 25, 2010 9:09 PM

~ED~ You are the best---"Cat's Pajamas"  -lol- Thanks

~Steve~Monster! Yeah! thanks x3

~RB~Thanks tp you thats the good stuff to hear

~Jetguy~I like B&W...we will do that B4 it's over & thanks

~Bill~ What amazingly thoughtful & elegant words to find here, thanks my friend!

~Andy~ Thanks you for that , but don't write on my truck!

A rare photo of the actual "tactical withdrawl" of Rommel's forces (although, while kept Top-Secret, he was not among his men at the time!)

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