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Interplanetary Archaeological Dig -- Finished!!

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Interplanetary Archaeological Dig -- Finished!!
Posted by charlie98210 on Thursday, March 4, 2010 12:58 PM

Ever since the second season of Lost (when they uncovered the Hatch and what seemed to be the abandoned remains of an unknown technologial project) I ahve bee thinking about doing a diorama about an "archaeological" dig, set in the future on a far distant planet,, where the remains of a technologically advance civilization has been found.

So, here is the basic concept.

We have a group of archaeologists getting ready to excavate a site. In front of them, you can see the foundations of some sort of structure. No clues as to what it might have been, or if there is some sort of something buried underneath it (I'm thinking of something like an energy plant, nuclkear reactor, that sort of thing).

To set the mood that it's in the future, there will be a model of an SEG-888 sitting there, without the rider.

For the half-buried foundations of the technogical artifact, I'll be using pieces from an old Space 1999 Moonbase Alpha model (rearranging them slightly).....

...but will have them half-buried in dirt and gravel, dusty brown, and looking much smaller in scale because it will look las though the ruined remains of a building's foundation surround it.

For the archaeologists, I've ordered three MA.K figures and will be adding the set which is supposed to go with the Falke kit.

"I'm an artist, Jim, not a mechanic."

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Posted by Grimmo on Friday, March 5, 2010 4:22 AM

Sounds like a cool build! Want to see more!

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, March 5, 2010 4:31 AM

I have visions of the first story in Heavy Metal when the Loc Nar is dug up...

 

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Posted by charlie98210 on Friday, March 5, 2010 8:51 AM

stikpusher

I have visions of the first story in Heavy Metal when the Loc Nar is dug up...

Yes! Sort of like that, but without the little alien laborers. (I had forgotten about that old movie).

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Saturday, March 6, 2010 1:53 AM

I must ask, where did you find girl #3 I have been searching for her for a while now, the face is just absolutely perfect looks so real and cute but every place I know is sold out

 

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Posted by Division 6 on Saturday, March 6, 2010 7:08 AM

Neat sounding project, looking forward to seeing your progress.

I have those same 3 figures, the same company just brought out 2 new ones but one has a helmet on and the other looks like she has a swimsuit on (all made by Brick Works JP)

Smeagol you might want to try contacting the company directly.

http://www.k4.dion.ne.jp/~bricks/

 

E,,,

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Posted by charlie98210 on Saturday, March 6, 2010 10:07 AM

smeagol the vile

I must ask, where did you find girl #3 I have been searching for her for a while now, the face is just absolutely perfect looks so real and cute but every place I know is sold out

Found it at

HLJ Logo 

 

 

web address is:   www.hlj.com/

Look at the Brick Works figures and you'll find her.

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Update: 3-06-2010
Posted by charlie98210 on Saturday, March 6, 2010 10:40 AM

While waiting for the kits to arrive, I got out all my spares and made a little "scanner-type" device last night. I also salvaged one of my old Lost figures (Locke) from an old MacFarland Hatch dio-toy I purchased four years ago. I removed the hokey-looking torch he was holding and made a little hand-held thing. I'll be attaching a coiled piece or wire from the hand thing to the device so he will look like he is running some sort of scanning operation on the artifact foundation. I will also be using the "Jack" figure from the Lost dio, too, I think. Five people seems like the right number for a small archaeological team.

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Saturday, March 6, 2010 10:42 AM

last time I checked hlj it was sold out, may have changed tho.

 

Im also not excited to order from there again.  There service is great, but there shipping is so expensive since there in Japan.

 

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Posted by charlie98210 on Saturday, March 6, 2010 10:52 AM

smeagol the vile

last time I checked hlj it was sold out, may have changed tho.

 

Im also not excited to order from there again.  There service is great, but there shipping is so expensive since there in Japan.

I just purchased it earlier this week. And yes, it's expensive ($40 for one figure).

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Update: 3-06-2010, addition
Posted by charlie98210 on Saturday, March 6, 2010 12:25 PM

I made the wire "cord" and attached it to the Locke figure and the scanner. I also did a little detail work on Locke's shirt and emphasized the dirt and mud on his pants.

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Update: 3-07-2010
Posted by charlie98210 on Sunday, March 7, 2010 9:40 AM

Next on the agenda was to finish cannablizing the old Spacee 1999 Moonbase model. It turned out to be easier than I had feared. The Moonbase pieces came loose from the old vacuum-formed base with a minimum of prying. I then sprayed the pieces with a coat of dark gray primer and then added a wash of raw umber. At the local hardware store, I bought some 3/32 copper tubing. Then I measured the bookshelf where the dio will reside and cut a piece of plywood to fit. I gave the plywood a quick wash of acrylic green and then spent an hour or so playing "jigsaw puzzle" with the moonbase pieces. Then, using a ballpoint pen, I marked out their positions and then glued them into place, notching the sides in various places to add the copper tubing.

Now I just have to wait for the SEG-888 kit and the three women figures to arrive, along with the resin "ruined walls" kit. After that, it will be time to add the dirt, rocks, undergrowth, vines and foliage.

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Update: 3-08-2010
Posted by charlie98210 on Monday, March 8, 2010 8:35 AM

Added weeds and undergrowth.

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Update: 3-08-2010 Added some rocks and bushes.
Posted by charlie98210 on Monday, March 8, 2010 3:09 PM

I have been thinking a lot about my diorama. A lot of people, when they think of archaeological digs, think of Egypt and the pyramids. The desert. The scene from Heavy Metal,  when they found the Loc Nar, was also set in the desert.. But I was thinking, what about ruins in a more northern, temperate climate? Where there would been bushes and trees and undergrowth obscuring the ruins in question. Where those ruins would not stand out in stark contrast in a harsh, desolate landscape. Or, in the case of another planet, where the sentient race perished but the planet (and the other life forms) was not destroyed but continued to live on.

So I started adding some trees and bushes.

Or, maybe the planet had had a colony established by some other space-faring race and that colony had somehow been been abandoned...or the colonists left "on their own" to succeed or fail and, through some tragic permutation of history, were now long gone; with only the foundation at the dig site bearing silent testimony to their fate.

A kind of interplanetary Roanoke, if you will. The stories and names and history of the people who built the ruins are unknown, and probably unknowable. A mystery for the small team who are examining the ruins for any plausible answer.

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, March 10, 2010 7:55 PM

Great idea! Looking forward to seeing you get the other figures finished and installed.

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Update: 3-08-2010 Assembled and painted two more figures
Posted by charlie98210 on Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:17 AM

I got two of the figures from Resin Works and have spent the last two days assembling and painting them. The first one is "the mechanic" who is holding an adjustable wrench.

The other figure is called Mercenary Soldier Ver. B. You may remember her from when I was doing the Nuclear Truck from the anime video On Your Mark. That one I 'd made into an angel figure, but it turned out to be too big to fit in with the other figures. She ended up being sold to a guy in Colorado.

This one was more straight forward. Simple cleaning and painting, since she is a one-piece casting.

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Thursday, March 11, 2010 11:32 AM

I figured out what it is about your diorama base I dislike.  You should go ahead and invest in some static grass, it makes a world of diffrence, what you used is bright and doesnt look... real.

 

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Posted by charlie98210 on Thursday, March 11, 2010 11:54 AM

smeagol the vile

I figured out what it is about your diorama base I dislike.  You should go ahead and invest in some static grass, it makes a world of diffrence, what you used is bright and doesnt look... real.

Do you mean the weeds around the foundations,  the bushes, or the painted plywood?

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Update: 3-12-2010 Added some ruined walls
Posted by charlie98210 on Friday, March 12, 2010 9:47 AM

I finished painting my resin walls and glued them onto the plywood. Then, this morning, I mixed up a small batch of water putty and placed a layer around the larger wall. I then placed crushed concrete on top of the still-soft water putty. After the putty dried, I sealed it with some clear acrylic. After that's all dry, I'll be painting the concrete and putty with a brown wash to simulate rubble and dirt.

I plan to place the team's supplies in this area. I have several "wood" crates and a bunch of bedrolls and backpacks from my spares which should look about right for a bivouac-stlye dig.

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3-15-2010 Some thoughts behind my diorama
Posted by charlie98210 on Monday, March 15, 2010 7:10 PM

When I was a kid, I was an avid reader. Anything about space, other planets, lost places--those were my favorite kinds of stories. The early Heinlein "Future History" stories, the Foundation Trilogy, Andre Norton's Galactic Derelict. But I was influenced the most by a little-known author named H. Beam Piper. His Terran Federation stories and novels made a deep impression. He seemed to base them on historical cycles, i.e., that given a similar set of historical frontier circumstances, similar themes (the British Empire, the plight of indigenous races when a more technologically advanced races invades and "colonizes" its land--or their planet) will be repeated in the new, future setting.

Another story which impacts this particular diorama, is his short story Omnilingual. This story is about a future archaeologal expedition on the planet Mars. They have disovered the remains of a Martian city which has been dead for an estimated forty thousand years. Planetary dust, as Mars became more and more desert-loike, has been slowly burying the city's buildings. They find that the dust and sandstorms have buried the first, five floors of all the multi-story buildings of the city.

The crux of the story involves a woman linguist. The other scientists think she is risking her reputation trying to collect and collate, and hopefully decipher, bits and pieces of the written Martian language they find on various scraps of paper and torn, decayed pieces of books found while excavating around the half-buried buildings.

The dilemma she faces is: To trranslate the Martian writings, you need a key; a point of mutual reference. But if the last Martian writer died forty thousand years ago, thousands of years before the first human being, how could you know what the letters meant? Which were numbers, which were words? If you found a book with a picture of a man on a horse, if you had no idea of what the letters of the caption mean, how could you know if the caption said "This is a man on a horse," or "This is a photograph of General So-and-So at the Battle of..."?

Anyways, I got to thinking that an archaeological dig on a distant planet would run into the same problem. How would they know what those foundations were from? A temple? A thermonuclear reactor? What if they weren't "foundations" at all? What if they were the roofs (or tops) of an underground facility? Would we be able to recognize the features of alien "control panels"? What if they did not follow "our" concepts of what control panels "should" look like?

So...the story the dio is supposed to be saying is: Here is a team of Terran archaeologists making their first examinations of what is left a long-dead, technologically advanced, civilization. Head of the team is the woman with the clipboard, which will show a diagram of the "foundations."

Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. Speculation and dialogue, too.

I am thinking of this diorama as a snapshot of a much larger story and would like to incorporate hints of other themes into this (with, I don't know...visual clues). Gender equality being shown by having a woman in charge being one example. And the girl with the wrench. The women aren't there for "window dressing." They are hardworking equals on the team.

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Posted by deafpanzer on Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:03 AM

Very interesting... nice change for us especially WW2 freaks.  Are you planning to cover the green painted plywood with fake grass or something?  That part is the only thing needs to be addressed.  Everything else looks great!  Yes

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Posted by charlie98210 on Tuesday, March 16, 2010 8:58 PM

deafpanzer

Very interesting... nice change for us especially WW2 freaks.  Are you planning to cover the green painted plywood with fake grass or something?  That part is the only thing needs to be addressed.  Everything else looks great!  Yes

Yes, the green paint has been covered with gravel and more dead weeds. The SEG-888 mono-motorcycle arrived today and I just washed and primed it. I'm still waiting for the BrickWorks girl with the clipboard to arrive. I'll post more pictures when I get the motorcycle done.

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Update: 3-17-2010
Posted by charlie98210 on Wednesday, March 17, 2010 1:35 PM

I stayed up last night and built the SEG-888 mono-motorcycle. I also added a black border around the base. So now, all that I need to finish this diaorama is the BrickWorks figure.

Here is the section with the SEG-888 motorcycle. I placed it so the viewer might assume the woman holding the wrench is the owner of the bike. The male figure, is kneeling, looking at what looks like uneven glass, covering the black depths of what might be a hatch. The "glass" is dark, black, and uneven; as if it has been partially melted and buckled from being subjected to great deal of heat.

Closeup of the SEG-888 motorcycle.

This is a different angle of the same section. In it, you can see the crumbling wall arch, plus a small section of a wall jutting upward on the right side of the picture. Also an oil drum and their supplies and gear.

This photograph is the other section of the diorama. You can see traces of the foundation, the man taking readings with some sort of machine, and a woman watching him from the right side of the dio.

Last picture is one of the whole thing, so far. I was trying for an air of desolation and emptiness in the way the dig site appears. A sense that any clues about this place will be long-buried and hard to find.

And also a sense of wonder, a sense of excitment at the discovers to come. I would also appreciate any comments on whether or not I'm accomplishing this....and, if not, what could I do or add to "make it so."

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Update: 3-18-2010 Photos taken in natural light...no flash
Posted by charlie98210 on Thursday, March 18, 2010 3:04 PM

Today was sunny and warm, so I took the diorama outside and photographed it. The sunlight allowed me to photograph without using the flash, so the colors are more "true-to-form" and the lighter colors don't seem so washed out. Hopefully, the emotion I was talking about generating in the persons viewing my diorama come through better with these pictures.

As I said before, ideas and discussion are welcome!

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Posted by deafpanzer on Friday, March 19, 2010 1:55 PM

WOW!  What a big difference... it is looking alot better with that green painted plywood covered.  I like it! Yes

Andy

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Posted by charlie98210 on Friday, March 19, 2010 3:48 PM

deafpanzer

WOW!  What a big difference... it is looking alot better with that green painted plywood covered.  I like it! Yes

Well, the green paint was never intended to be anything other than a primer to seal the plywood (and to have a "dark" color underneath whatever ground cover I was going to add). I didn't want that blond maple-colored wood showing through the grass when I photographed it.

Sort of like in art when you use a darker tone in an oil painting as an undercoat so the darker color will peek out and suggest a tone of something under the finished top layers of the painting. (You also don't have to put down such a thick layer of "weeds" or grass when the base is painted green, either.

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Posted by vonryan on Friday, March 19, 2010 9:56 PM

 charlie sweet build!!

Clay

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Friday, March 19, 2010 10:58 PM

Looks a ton better now that it has groundwork and not a painted board.

Another suggestion for you, one thing that stands out as looking off is the skin tone.  If these people are out all day digging up buried ruins, there not going to have pale skin in any way shape or form.  TAN

 

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Posted by charlie98210 on Saturday, March 20, 2010 10:17 AM

smeagol the vile

Looks a ton better now that it has groundwork and not a painted board.

Another suggestion for you, one thing that stands out as looking off is the skin tone.  If these people are out all day digging up buried ruins, there not going to have pale skin in any way shape or form.  TAN

I agree. It's just a personal preference on my part. Or failing.

As a painter, I tend to work with layered shading. I'm still learning the "in's and out's" of painting and detailing small three dimensional figures. How, close-up, the shading of a shadow might look "just right," and then when you move a couple of feet away, that shadow seems invisible.

And, as I said before, the painted plywood was never intended to stand on its own. When you paint a canvas, the "ground coat" is usually a shade chosen to "peek" out from under the finish composition. In this case, I was thinking of new grass starting to come up through the dead weeds.

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Posted by vespa boy on Saturday, March 20, 2010 1:40 PM

I really like the idea behind your dio. I read many of those same books when I started high school. Its a very cool idea dicovering a lost civilization. I know its late in the game, but is there way you can incorporate a "rosetta stone" type find in there...one that the viewer knows has all the clues and will de decyphered back at the lab?

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