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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Tuesday, May 11, 2010 2:00 AM

It's acrylic, so yeah...

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Posted by Robh22 on Monday, May 10, 2010 11:22 PM

Hans von Hammer

Ain't kidding.. Some folks, well a LOT really, use Future in place of clear gloss for decaling and dipping canopies an' such...  Guess it's because they get so much for for money or somethin'.. Personally, I don't get it.. You have to airbrush it on, then clean the airbrush.. All for a 5-second squirt.. I'll stick with rattle-can gloss...

 

I'm with you. I love using my airbrush, but when I use it, I want to be using it for more than just a few seconds. Let's face it, having to clean it constantly can be a pain in the butt. And if you didn't really clean it, wouldn't the Future make a mess of the brush?

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Monday, May 10, 2010 9:32 PM

Ain't kidding.. Some folks, well a LOT really, use Future in place of clear gloss for decaling and dipping canopies an' such...  Guess it's because they get so much for for money or somethin'.. Personally, I don't get it.. You have to airbrush it on, then clean the airbrush.. All for a 5-second squirt.. I'll stick with rattle-can gloss...

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Posted by Robh22 on Monday, May 10, 2010 8:11 PM

Hans von Hammer

 

 or reading about someone else asking yet again about using friggin' "Future" floor polish on models...Big Smile

 

lol..um, not to get your pressure up again, but you are kidding right? Future floor polish on models? And why do people bash Monogram kits?

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Monday, May 10, 2010 2:16 PM

I'm sorry you have that constant sound in your ears. That sucks. Isn't there anything that can be done for that?

Not that I've ever heard of... No cure, but there's some cockamamee homeopathic junk that claims to be the thing for it.. All my hearing loss came form years of high-frequency noise, Howitzers, high-explosives, rifles, and above all (no pun intended) jet aircraft engines... I actually hear kinda ok, I just can't understand what folks are saying if they don't speak clearly and have to play the TV louder to get over the noise-level of it...  It's more irritating than anything else, and is louder some days than others... Espeicially when my blood pressure spikes... Like reading an add on an on-line hobby shop and it shows a $70.00 price tag on a single seat-single engine 1/48th scale aircraft kit, someone bashing Monogram kits, or reading about someone else asking yet again about using friggin' "Future" floor polish on models...Big Smile

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Posted by Robh22 on Sunday, May 9, 2010 11:45 PM

God, I crawl into a ball and almost die if it goes over 75 degrees. I can't imagine the heat over there. I'm sorry you have that constant sound in your ears. That sucks. Isn't there anything that can be done for that?

Well..I have my Commando car, it finally came in the mail. Now I'm staring at 3 trees of parts and the instruction sheet. I am a little disappointed that the parts aren't named, just numbered. It's a way of at least trying to learn what each part is called. I also got the jeep stowage set, so that will come in handy. I also saw on ebay a very cheap auction for the entire jeep in 1/48th scale *resin*. I was glad I won that auction for 9 bucks. When I got it, there were a few pieces missing, which I wasn't happy about. So I wrote to the seller, he was going to contact Verlinden to get replacement parts, which was fine with me. Then about half an hour later, he sent me another email saying that he would just send me an entire new kit. Toast Wow That made me VERY happy. Now I have one to practice on before tackling the complete kit. I thanked the guy A LOT!!!

I also got the set, Military Provisions. I figured that would work pretty well as it's a farm scene I'm doing. I haven't gotten the figures for the diorama yet, but I did get some figures that were not expensive to practice on. One is the guy who is shaving in his long johns and the other is a priest and tank driver. I guess they two are supposed to be talking or something. Either way, they will be good practice to build and paint before getting a few figures for my scene. Once the Tamiya kit with all the animals gets here, I'm good to go.

The last kit I'm waiting on(but not for the diorama) is the

TAMIYA BRITISH UNIVERSAL CARRIER Mk.II

 

This kit also has the Eduard PE set for it, I guess the seller was just adding it as well.

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Sunday, May 9, 2010 1:14 PM

Those are some great shots!

Nah, not really... I kept a little Kodak 110 in an ammo pouch to snap pics with in the field...  It worked ok though...

[quote]Are you the guy in the first photo holding his ears?[quote]

I'm not in any.. I'm taking the pictures..  None of those pics are in a combat zone... They're from the mid-late 80s...  I changed MOSs in '88 from Field Artillery (13B) to Chemical Operations Specialist (54B).

I also can't even begin to imagine the heat. I live in Jersey and if goes over 71degrees and I turn all red and curl in a ball.

It wasn't bad.. The pics were taken in November, IIRC, and it was fairly warm during the day... 90s mostly, but after sundown the temps would drop into the mid-30s...  'Bout the same in the Arab deserts..  It's only REALLY hot in the summer months... All nine of them..  And you'll still freeze your azz off at night...

Must have been SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO loud!!!! I can't even imagine.

That's why God made earplugs... Still, I've a permanent case of Tinitus that's so loud, I swear OTHER people should be able to hear it...

Talking about your best reference for building and such. Not that I mean it was a good thing you peeps were there for any reason. Please, I'm sorry for that. But that you so much for the reference material.

Heh.. I LOVEthe Army..

I also joked that the reference material was the reason I joined...

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Posted by Robh22 on Sunday, May 9, 2010 12:51 PM

Thanks! I really think that might be the best solution for me, combing the 1/32 and the 1/35 scale. I just started my Commando car (at least, opening the box and washing the parts gently. Something I've noticed, well at least with the few kits I've looked at..they don't seem to put much detail or effort into the motor of these things. Is that because the put more detail into the outside (so to speak)?

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Posted by Boomerang on Sunday, May 9, 2010 12:09 AM

Robh22

 

 

 

One other question I have, if you were building some other diorama, say at an airstrip or something and you wanted to have a vehicle, in 1/35 scale, what size plane would add? What scale I mean? How do you figure this stuff out, I'm really lousy with it. Huh?

  Hey Rob, i saw your question ages ago and forgot to share my ideas...Confused

  If you did want to do something simple with an aircraft as a feature maybe you could try the Bronco 1/35 scale L-4 Grasshopper kits. I have one and they are really nice. There are some Fieler Storch kits out there in 1/35 scale also. Otherwise you can use 1/32 scale aircraft. They are not 100% to scale obviously but they are mighty close. I have seen a few dioramas combining 1/32 aircraft and 1/35 vehicles and figures and they look just fine!

 

Justin...Australia

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Posted by Robh22 on Saturday, May 8, 2010 12:36 AM

Wow! Those are some great shots! Talking about your best reference for building and such. Not that I mean it was a good thing you peeps were there for any reason. Please, I'm sorry for that. But that you so much for the reference material. Are you the guy in the first photo holding his ears? Must have been SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO loud!!!! I can't even imagine. I also can't even begin to imagine the heat. I live in Jersey and if goes over 71degrees and I turn all red and curl in a ball. blech. You all who fought have my gratitude and support.

 

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, May 7, 2010 2:56 PM

Here's some from White Sands & NTC back in the 80s...

FDC M577

 

My M109 & crew, ca 1989 & Ft Hood.

 

My Gunner, A-gunner, and driver:

Howitzer and M548

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Posted by Robh22 on Thursday, May 6, 2010 8:47 PM

Any chance of possibly getting them scanned? Would really love to see them. :)

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Wednesday, May 5, 2010 10:25 AM

The tracked vehicles I was licensed to drive were the M109A3 Howitzer, M992 FAASV, M548 Cargo Carrier, M113 APC and M577 Command Post...

I have pictures, but none scanned right now...

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Posted by Robh22 on Tuesday, May 4, 2010 10:50 PM

Hans von Hammer

 

 

LOL... Actually, you'd more likely get whacked by a cop for impeding the flow of traffic (among a few other charges) on an expresssway... It can't even make the minimum speed limit of 45 mph... Tracked vehicles are dangerous and hard to control much over 40 mph, especially ones with steering levers vs a T-bar or yoke...  If the track tension isn't equal, it'll pull to the "tight" side and the pull increases exponetially.... I damn-near lost an M548 on a hill in Foot Hood screwing around like that back when I was a stupid Private, lol... Was fun though...

 

 

Lol, I used to live my whole life in NYC, you didn't even get up to 40mph with all the traffic. lol. So I think it would work fine with the crazy cab drivers. And I can't believe you got to ride in one...or did you drive it?????? Wow that would awesome! Could you by chance happen to have any pictures you could share?

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Tuesday, May 4, 2010 2:05 PM

... the British Universal Carrier. I *love* this little machine.  I wouldn't mind having a real one to zip down the expressway in lol..everyone would get out of my way. ...

LOL... Actually, you'd more likely get whacked by a cop for impeding the flow of traffic (among a few other charges) on an expresssway... It can't even make the minimum speed limit of 45 mph... Tracked vehicles are dangerous and hard to control much over 40 mph, especially ones with steering levers vs a T-bar or yoke...  If the track tension isn't equal, it'll pull to the "tight" side and the pull increases exponetially.... I damn-near lost an M548 on a hill in Foot Hood screwing around like that back when I was a stupid Private, lol... Was fun though...

However, I digress..

My diorama ideas come largely from my own experiences in the Army, both in combat and training...  Soldiers are pretty much the same in the field, regardless of what country they belong to, and just day-to-day life in the bush will make for lots of ideas...  I also get ideas from pictures, video-clips, and it doesn't HAVE to be about the vehicle you have on-hand either...   For instance, chow or mail-call would be about the same for an SAS jeep crew in WW2 as a Humvee crew in Iraq in 2004...

The important thing about dioramas is to be sure that your story is immediately apparent to the viewer... If it requires more than a title, you might wanna re-think your story-line...

Also, if you're gonna buy books about diorama building, I'd recommend "How to Build Dioramas" by Shepard Paine... It's far and away the "Bible" for beginners, and even experienced builders usually have a copy of it... Shep's book will show you everything you need to know, from soup to nuts, about diorma-building... Planning and layout, terrain and landscaping, painting & weathering, scratch-building accesories, figure modifications, structures, and shows several step-by-step diormas he built...

 

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Posted by *INDY on Monday, May 3, 2010 4:01 AM

~Thanks for your comments about Dio #1 Rob~ Yup, really my 1st one, though I do have the art background there was ALOT of 1st in it for me--like the fuelran rack scratchbuilt for brass wire,most of the crates and that wire spool from strip styrene--that stump was the 1st thing I ever made from 2 part epoxy putty--the enbankments at the front of the road was the 2nd, all the groundwork--I'd never done anything like that....more 1sts....plaster fountain ordered from France(MK35), modeled water in it, paper leaves fallen about and all the foliage,all 1st time. There are things I would have done different looking back,  like I could have done much better on the finish of the Cromwell tank--the commanders' radio wires should have been  more brown than red--the star decal on the roof isn't quite issue--but no ones ever called me on those things--still, now I know better,,,, and am always seeking to improve.

~~The Universial Carrier is a good one--a staple of the British Armys--I have one in my stash--You need to start thinking how it would look in action and how you want to display it--could get fun!

"Well...you gunna pull them pistols, or just whistle Dixie?"

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Posted by Robh22 on Sunday, May 2, 2010 7:19 PM

That is one great diorama, and it's the first one you ever did??? That is *really* impressive! I can only hope mine is half as good as yours, and I will be happy. I started modeling about ten years ago, and at first, they were the vinyl kits of horror/sci fi grouping. I loved making Freddy, Jason, Ash and Ripley from Aliens etc. I still love making those. When I was a small kid, I did cars, I remember making the 'snap fit' models my dad would get me. Then moved on to the Polar Lights horror kits..then up to the vinyl kits of ten years ago. I still make the car models, but not as much. The figures still are fun for me and I have a new Ash model I want to start soon. But now, I have the bug for the military models, figures and diorama's. I even found myself watching the military channel today when it had the top ten personal carriers. And I found one that I want to build and have picked one out from the store already, it's the British Universal Carrier. I *love* this little machine. Big Smile I wouldn't mind having a real one to zip down the expressway in lol..everyone would get out of my way. This is the model:

and this is the real deal..

 

You guys do some really nice work. I just hope I can do the figures well. There has to be a big difference between working on the vinyl figures I make and the small figures used in Military models.

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Posted by *INDY on Sunday, May 2, 2010 9:32 AM

I've been scale modeling just over 2 years, but only started blogging/posting nearly a year ago, although I had already been working for some time in a model shop, doing Rapid Prototyping--1:1 presentation models mostly, but also lots of masters for casting, and limited-run production parts and assemblies for any kind of cutting-edge tech you can name, be it aircraft, surgical,electronics...and consumer goods. My job is mostly fit & finish, so everything we turn out is basically a perfect, shiny example--one part, or a small number of parts at a time--this led me to military modelling in my free time---where I can assemble hundreds or thousands of parts , and weather & chip  and add dirt,dust & grime and work to get every real-looking effect imaginable---but stay away from perfect & shiny!   Naturally I have an interesting background to have a job like this, including working as one kind of artist or another for the better part of 30 years, including 12 years of doing expert custom-picture-framing, installations of exhibits for The Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences for 4 years, and 3 years with my own local woodcarving business, making a living carving Island-Style furnishings & Tikis.  As a kid I built all kinds of models, and was an avid model railroader & slot car enthusiast-----but even though I left scale modeling for about 30 years, and went and had a somewhat unusual life, I have returned to the hobby like many, many guys...and now we share this great passion.         For years I was so concerned with doing original work and getting paid ----but honestly building these 1/35th scale military dioramas is the most fun I've had doing anything!

    So to start off I built a few little things as practice...and then built my 1st ever Dio and took 4 months doing it after a few months of research and practice.      I consider my 1st dio a success, meaning I like it and it was what I had in mind, and was printed on page 40 of July '09 FSM in the readers gallery. here it is :

 

 Various British Elements Between Caen & St. Lo, June, 1944

 

 

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Posted by 101stAirborne on Sunday, May 2, 2010 8:34 AM

It was probably 6 or 7 years ago that I started making models. I just started out with military models and haven't changed since. My first kit was actually a figure kit from academy. They turned out terrible but that didn't stop me. Making models is a learning expirience, you get better every time you make something and learn new skills along the way. I know I have! Smile

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Posted by Robh22 on Saturday, May 1, 2010 10:41 PM

Wow! Thank you so much for the links! Big Smile I really appreciate the help you all have given me. I so can't wait to get started. I think I will keep reading first though, i dont want to screw up, especially since so many things are getting so expensive now a days.

 

How long have you all been creating models in general? Did you all start out with military and diorama's or did you start like I did, with cars and horror vinyl and resin figures?

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Posted by *INDY on Saturday, May 1, 2010 10:05 PM

How to paint a head, by Bodge       here at FSM

several excellent articles by Mark Bannerman     at Missing Lynx

amazing figure blogs by many artists           at Timelines Figure Forum

How I paint 14 figures at once                        from my current build page 24

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Posted by 101stAirborne on Saturday, May 1, 2010 9:49 PM

Hey, since when is asking too many questions bad? Like Indy said it is better to have it all on one forum than 20 like i would do. Indy knows what I'm talking about.

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Posted by *INDY on Saturday, May 1, 2010 9:45 PM

NO! Dont' do that!  You got outdated information--is that Verlinden book stuff?

Robh22

umm, lol, I have yet another question     

  *not a problem

. This is a painting question. I'm reading about the steps in the painting phase of the building. I know the basics, after  the primer coat has dried,             

  *overnight--or longer

then lay down the base color. After the base coat, 

                        *or coats--you didn't say what you're painting--but a number of thin coats are usually better than one thick covering coat that may obscure detail

 

 you add the thinned down black as the wash, wipe it off, leaving enough in the crevices etc to simulate the 'old age' look.      

      *this is the badley outdated part---no one really is advised to use a "over-all black wash" anymore, although it does have certain aplications---for vehicles most modelers these days prefer a burnt seinna wash or sienna mixed with black or paynes grey , or depending on the base color, something else entirely. As a rule of thumb a wash should be a darker aspect of the base color, but sometimes it can be far lighter, like using a sandy color to portray dust covering a vehicle and gotten into all the nookls and crannys.

After this comes the dry brushing. 

     * Maybe, maybe not. drybrushing is without doubt an essential technique to keep in your box of tricks, but has also really fallen out of popularity at least the way it used to be used--building up rather unrealistic color changes on everthing on your model(s)

Then they mention something I am not familiar with at all, it's: 'line out the hatches, air intake, bolts, rivets etc with matt black" does this mean to outline those sections with the black?

  * this is refering to what is now always called a pin-wash. This is just a more controled method of applying a wash, it's more restrained, adding emphesis to features  pretty much one at a time--and a little at a time. it's very effective and time-consuming.

*Tons have been written regarding the wash, drybrushing & the pin-wash--in fact entire Forum threads exist here at FSM and you can find them using the search feature. Again...more reading---well worth saving you the trial and error

 If so, would you outline, say pockets, belts etc with the matt black on uniforms?           

   * NO WAY     This is something that no one does anymore and looks really unrealistic.  If you want some good figure painting tutorials they're here too, and elsewere.

Sorry to pepper you all with this questions, I just want to make sure I know what I'm doing..lol or at least have a pretty good idea.

*it's fine--there's just no way to give you a decent answer without going to that kind of trouble --RESEARCH!Big Smile
Thanks!

Rob

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Posted by Robh22 on Saturday, May 1, 2010 9:00 PM

umm, lol, I have yet another question. This is a painting question. I'm reading about the steps in the painting phase of the building. I know the basics, after  the primer coat has dried, then lay down the base color. After the base coat, you add the thinned down black as the wash, wipe it off, leaving enough in the crevices etc to simulate the 'old age' look. After this comes the dry brushing. Then they mention something I am not familiar with at all, it's: 'line out the hatches, air intake, bolts, rivets etc with matt black" does this mean to outline those sections with the black? If so, would you outline, say pockets, belts etc with the matt black on uniforms?

Sorry to pepper you all with this questions, I just want to make sure I know what I'm doing..lol or at least have a pretty good idea.


Thanks!

Rob

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Posted by *INDY on Saturday, May 1, 2010 7:46 PM

~Right on Rob!

It's not going to be a disaster man--I can tell you're putting alot of thought into it---and your enthusiam is awsome--and comes straight across---It sound like you already have tons of modeling skills and information under your belt---just keep going studying and developing skill sets and you will find yourself getting the kind of results you have in mind.

~Just remember to take your time-anything worth doing is worth doing right!

~Post work-in-progress pictures andask questions if you want and HAVE FUN!

 

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Posted by Robh22 on Saturday, May 1, 2010 7:02 PM

I grabbed the Farm Animal kit you suggested and it does have all the right animals. Thank you. Big Smile

Thank you Indy for all the info and suggestions. I really appreciate the help from you and everyone else. This is a great forum, I've never met such helpful people. I am a BIG fan of reading and I have read a butt load of books, I've read a few of the Osprey books, Building and Painting Figures, Modelling WW2 Figures, Ancient and Midieval Modeling..as well as some of the Verlinden books, the ww2 aircraft books, the Military Vehicle books and part of the Diorama books. I have to finish up those. I also have some of their mags, which I love. The dioramas in those are incredible and they have some great information.

Next I will move on to the Verlinden Way books. I'm going to hit those links you gave me from Mini Art and read those. I know I ask a lot of questions, and for that I'm sorry. I'm just really excited about starting to build military kits and diorama's. I've never really 'noticed' if thats the correct word, them before just recently as I have usually done auto kits. But now, all I see is the military kits. I know, I'm whacked. But it does sound like fun and seems it will be a great outlet for any artistic side I may have. Big Smile

I am going to go with what you all recommended and get the Verlinden barn. I think it does look more like a barn and I can see more of a picture when I look at it. I can see the jeep out front, the chickens, the horse..the old farmer and his granddaughter..and I think ti will work out nicely. I just hope my first attempt is not a complete disaster.

Thanks again,

RobChef

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Posted by *INDY on Saturday, May 1, 2010 1:01 PM

Hi Rob~   Welcome to the madness!

~~You sure ask alot of question on this thread--that's OK--better that a hundred seperate new threads--but I have to stress one thing---research---  Not only for historical accuracy for the subject(s) you are modeling--which is very importaint to good work--but research of the materials and techniques needed. Basically read, read, view, and read some more--every spare minute, books, magazines, blogs, kit reviews, historical accounts--in short-- a good Diorama builder has got to have reading as a close 2nd hobby and must really be adept at all aspects of scale modeling to pull off a convincing scene. I would suggest you look back in the posts in this Diorama Forum for example and find some work you like the look of...and really study the blog and what went into the Diorama.

As to your 1st question as to how we come up with good ideads for Dio's--  It can certainly develope in many different ways---A kit you want to build may have you asking-"where would I find such a thing? Doing what?" What else would likely be in such a scene"? Here's where imagination comes to play--and yes, it's a good idea to start sketching here, at least some little thumbnails, to save some ideas, unless you can really keep it all straight in your head. I think "likely" is the key--what is likely to be in the scene--although  unusual can be a nice change of pace too, you should know enough about your subject to be able to decide where to take some chances. Of course in  during your research you may be inspired to build a scene from a photo or account, and these are some of the most demanding artistic challenges(but if well done, some of the most likely to see print in armor-specific publications too)

Now more specificly those 2 structures you have are nice, and will lend themselves easily to a farm scene like you are talking about.  Offhand I'd recommend the Verlinden one for ease  of use, but the Mini-Art structures are very nice if built with patience and care--though they are not easy to deal with, they can make a great scene. The Mini Art structures are vacu-formed----the detail parts that are included in thier kits are injection moulded (gates, window frames, ect.) They have a terrific website you should check out and includes a tutorial I suggest you read for assembly.

I hope thats of some help---the best advice I think is to study the work of modelers you like, and collect some inspiration, and try to form your own ideas about how to do things. As you can see, people here enjoy helping if you ask them.

 

.

 

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Posted by 101stAirborne on Saturday, May 1, 2010 11:53 AM

You should get the tamiya livestock set for that. it has a horse a pig chickens and some other things.

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Posted by Robh22 on Saturday, May 1, 2010 10:20 AM

This is the farmer and granddaughter...

 

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