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Road Warrior Interceptor Dio
Posted by batai37 on Sunday, June 20, 2010 2:49 AM

Finished this dio, going to enter it a local contest next week. Besides some issues with the celluclay base, I think it turned out O.K., if unspectacular. It would have been cool to do something larger "on the road" with wreckage and stuff, but I think it would have turned out too big. Anyway, hope you like, it's my first attempt at a dio (and scratchbuilt trees).

 

Some shots of the trees:

 

 

 

 

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Posted by deafpanzer on Sunday, June 20, 2010 2:18 PM

Outstanding work especially the trees. Yes Five stars from me!

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Posted by modelchasm on Sunday, June 20, 2010 2:48 PM

I think this looks really nice. I like the weathering on the car. But if I may ... the car looks like it was just set on the base. I think two things would really help it a lot and I don't think that it would be hard to fix. 1) Mark where the wheels are and lightly dremel out an indention for them, as if they are sitting down in the dirt a little. And 2) tire tracks ... I think the easiest way to do this would be to dry brush a lighter color of the base paint back from the vehicle. Take notice too of how the front tires are turned, so they will actually have their own treads as well.

These are just suggestions. LIke I said, I like it. The only reason that I bring it up is that most "new" dio builders miss the fact that in a contest EVERYTHING is judged.

BTW ... are you taking this to Sqaudron's EagleQuest Show? Just curious ... I'll be there.

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Posted by batai37 on Sunday, June 20, 2010 5:09 PM

modelchasm

I think this looks really nice. I like the weathering on the car. But if I may ... the car looks like it was just set on the base. I think two things would really help it a lot and I don't think that it would be hard to fix. 1) Mark where the wheels are and lightly dremel out an indention for them, as if they are sitting down in the dirt a little. And 2) tire tracks ... I think the easiest way to do this would be to dry brush a lighter color of the base paint back from the vehicle. Take notice too of how the front tires are turned, so they will actually have their own treads as well.

These are just suggestions. LIke I said, I like it. The only reason that I bring it up is that most "new" dio builders miss the fact that in a contest EVERYTHING is judged.

BTW ... are you taking this to Sqaudron's EagleQuest Show? Just curious ... I'll be there.

Yeah it occurred to me to fixate the car to the base in a manner better than just setting it on it, short of gluing it on. I also attempted to imprint tire tracks when the celluclay was still wet, but it didn't hold the impressions of the rubber tires at all, other than featureless indentations...celluclay doesn't seem to lend itself very well for this effect, and I've read several techniques on how to add imprinted details like footprints, tracks, etc.  Thanks for the suggestions!

And yes, I'm entering this in EagleQuest next weekend along with a couple of other models I've completed. Hope to see you there.

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Posted by M1 A1 A2 Tanker on Sunday, June 20, 2010 5:25 PM

modelchasm

I think this looks really nice. I like the weathering on the car. But if I may ... the car looks like it was just set on the base. I think two things would really help it a lot and I don't think that it would be hard to fix. 1) Mark where the wheels are and lightly dremel out an indention for them, as if they are sitting down in the dirt a little. And 2) tire tracks ... I think the easiest way to do this would be to dry brush a lighter color of the base paint back from the vehicle. Take notice too of how the front tires are turned, so they will actually have their own treads as well.

These are just suggestions. LIke I said, I like it. The only reason that I bring it up is that most "new" dio builders miss the fact that in a contest EVERYTHING is judged.

BTW ... are you taking this to Sqaudron's EagleQuest Show? Just curious ... I'll be there.

 

Ditto.    

Also, don't be surprised if the judges won't let this in the Dio class. As I think without any figures (even a type of animal), it is simply considered a model on a base. But this is what I think has been true in past contests I have attended. I could very well be wrong.

Also, keep in mind Dio's are judged on story as well as technical aspects. So figures would only strength this Dio IMHO.

 

Both, these things being said the model, trees and ground work look freaking AWESOME!!!!! Yes

 

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Posted by SuppressionFire on Sunday, June 20, 2010 5:26 PM

Looks good!

'the Road Warrior' is more popular now than ever, hopefully the industry will catch on with a few figures and other vehicles to follow this 'interceptor' release.

A diorama tells a story supported with figures. Enter this scene as a vignette instead, which is more a 'snapshot' in time.

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Posted by modelchasm on Sunday, June 20, 2010 5:45 PM

I agree. Consider the vignette, if they offer it, or just enter this one as an auto. Then you won't have to worry about the base.

I'll be looking for this one at the show as well ... I'll probably be the only "fool" running around in an bright red Houston Astros ball cap. Gotta infd trouble where I can! HAHA!

I'm hoping to bring a couple fo entries myself, but I'm rushing to try and get two finished up for the show. I probably won't be there until later Friday or maybe Saturday morning.

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Posted by Gamera on Sunday, June 20, 2010 7:14 PM

Fantastic! Though I thought something looked funny and yes, it was the lack of tracks behind the car. Still I think just as a car on a base instead of a dio she looks great!

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Posted by batai37 on Sunday, June 20, 2010 9:42 PM

Going by the flyer for the contest there isn't a separate vignette category, they combine vignette and dios in the same category. It further states that scenes with multiple figures must be entered in that category...it doesn't say a dio has to have figures, but it does classify a dio as "if it looks like a diorama, it is a diorama". Presumably someone will tell me the most appropriate category when I register my entries.

As for figures, I hadn't really considered including them. I'm not familiar with any sources for 1:24 scale figures, and I wouldn't know how to begin scratching some. I might add them in the future if I can find a source for figures in that scale that aren't ridiculously priced, as resin figures frequently are.

I'm working on adding some tracks now. I dremeled in some "ruts", filled them with a little hydrocal and let it dry a bit, then rolled a tire over each one...it now has tire tracks. I'll post updated pics when I finish detailing.

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Posted by batai37 on Sunday, June 20, 2010 10:01 PM

modelchasm

I agree. Consider the vignette, if they offer it, or just enter this one as an auto. Then you won't have to worry about the base.

I'll be looking for this one at the show as well ... I'll probably be the only "fool" running around in an bright red Houston Astros ball cap. Gotta infd trouble where I can! HAHA!

I'm hoping to bring a couple fo entries myself, but I'm rushing to try and get two finished up for the show. I probably won't be there until later Friday or maybe Saturday morning.

See you there! I'll be the guy wearing the ballcap with the B5 logo. I'm going to make a weekend out of it and stay through Saturday at the hotel.

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Posted by batai37 on Sunday, June 20, 2010 11:12 PM

With tracks, not perfect but it'll do:

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Posted by SuppressionFire on Monday, June 21, 2010 5:31 PM

Excellent fix adding tracks!

It really ties the model to the base, I sometimes see 'generic' bases people use for armor where each year the same base is used for a different tank. I do not care for this and would rather see the tank sitting on the table or information sheet.

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Posted by deafpanzer on Monday, June 21, 2010 5:45 PM

Much better now... I didn't catch the no tracks earlier. Oops!  Good luck at the contest...

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Posted by ajlafleche on Monday, June 21, 2010 7:15 PM

Okay, being a hard a$$ here. I've judged, entered and won in various classes, including dioramas, from local to national levels using IPMS, AMPS and several independent judging criteria,  for well over 25 years. This will not fare well at all as a diorama or a vignette, and unless there is really nothing else enterered will be ignored by the judges. There is no story, and even a vignette's "moment in time"  needs a story and not just a base with a model. Entering this in dio/vignette will put you up against elaborate bases/groundwork, architectural features, heavy duty story lines, possibly multiple models,  and figures, both stock and modified, interacting with each other and the rest of the display. You have a model on a simple base. You should enter this in the appropriate car or sci-fi category where the base will not be judged and no story/interaction is expected.  

Critique time...the trees create too much of a fence effect behind the car. Move them around more or set up the ground work to suggest more of a road for the car and some raised ground for the trees. Your rocks are sitting on top of the terrain, like someone just dropped them there. Look at real rocks in nature. Thay are almost always partially in the soil. Try to avoid lichens. They are okay in small scales and model railroading but don't really work in larger scales. (Been there, done that.)

Celluclay. My guess is it was too wet when you tried to make tracks. Use less water next time. Add white glue and brown acrylic paint for color, adhession and moisture. Add some railroad ballast to the Celluclay mix for more texture. The mixture should be almost dry, like really thick oatmeal or mashed potatoes when you lay it down. Drillsome holes in you base to give the  Celluclay more texture into which to bite.

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Posted by batai37 on Monday, June 21, 2010 7:35 PM

As I already said, I'm sure the folks there would have the best suggestion as to the appropriate category according to their criteria. They aren't affiliated with IPMS, that much I know so they won't be using their criteria whatever they may be, and all entrants are judges and have an equal vote.

As I've also already described, their criteria for what constitutes a dio is simple if somewhat vague: if it looks like a dio, then it is a dio. They don't say what criteria define "looking like a dio" though, although they do state that OOB models can't be displayed on any kind of landscaped base (this obviously doesn't qualify as OOB). I imagine the criteria for what constitutes a dio are the same or similar to what you describe.

If not qualified for a dio, it can be entered in another category as you already suggested. This very well may be better suited for the basic division under miscellaneous, as described in the event flyer.

Thanks for the input.

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Posted by EasyMike on Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:10 AM

ajlafleche
...Critique time...the trees create too much of a fence effect behind the car....

I agree and noticed it right off.  Your trees are in a nearly perfect row across the back.

 

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Posted by Mic on Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:32 AM

Vehicle looks good, agree with the critique of the base.

Posting opens your work to opinions and suggestions. Certainly wouldn't hurt to accept an opinion from someone who has years of modeling and judging experience, no?. Take it or leave it, it's free and sound advice.

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Posted by batai37 on Tuesday, June 22, 2010 12:23 PM

Thanks for the insights as well as the compliment Mic. BTW I'm a native Austinite, although I don't live down there now.

I think the offered opinions by ajlafleche in particular overly critical and nitpicky and this "critique" is another example IMO of what's wrong with some people in this hobby, who frequently seem more interested in spouting rivet-counting creativity-stifling nonsense than encouraging creative effort.

Don't get me wrong, I don't mind criticism, as long as it's constructive. Most of what that guy said didn't qualify as what I consider constructive criticism, since I would normally expect constructive criticism to include positive points as well as negative ones...he only said what he disliked about it, and nothing about what he may have liked. If I were to take those opinions to heart, I would just toss the thing in the trash can. The base has its flaws, and maybe it isn't as representative of a true dio according to some people's criteria as they may like, but as I initially pointed out it is a first effort and in consideration of that I think it turned out fairly well. Most people so far in 3 different forums I've posted this too seem to agree, and that includes people with as much or more model building experience as some people here claim to have.

In response to some of the specific criticisms:

The comment about the rocks was just stupid...am I supposed to believe someone has never, or rarely, seen a rock just lying on the ground, and not buried in it??? 

"Almost always partially in the soil"???

What flippin' planet are you from and WTF kind of criticism is this? Have you researched the landscape of the area where the movie was filmed? Because I have.  I even have stills taken from the movie that show exactly that...rocks just laying on the ground! Now if they were boulders, yeah I might consider that a valid observation. Maybe I'm just more worldly, but I"ve seen lots of rocks (and boulders) that weren't "partially in the soil". In fact, I'd say this is just about the most idiotic criticism of a model project I've ever read on this or any other model forum in which I participate.

The trees: apparently the actual depth of how they're placed just didn't come out in the photos...they're hardly in anything like a straight line. On that size base and considering the scale of the car and how I wanted to place it, there weren't too many options of where to put them. I didn't want them in front of or behind the car. I like the symmetry of having the two big ones on either side, and this was inspired by an actual still photo from the film, although I didn't attempt to make them look exactly as portrayed in the film. The criticism about how they are placed is just more nitpicky crapola masquerading as a creative difference.

The bushes: O.K. so someone doesn't like lichen bushes, particularly in that scale. Great. I didn't see any suggestions for an alternative a person might find more suitable, which would have been actually useful. Again, no points for constructive criticism here. If you're going to tell someone how they did something wrong, a thoughtful critic might actually consider suggesting an idea for doing it "right" (as some people here have).

Also, the comments about using paint, glue, and ballast in the Celluclay, as well as drilling holes in the base were based on uninformed assumptions: this was all done. In fact, I'm quite sure I added too much paint and glue that accounted for the Celluclay being too moist, as I didn't even add all the prescribed water for mixing. I'd definitely be more careful about that in the future, as well as making sure to squeeze out as much moisture as possible before laying it down on a pine wood base.

Making uninformed assumptions doesn't qualify either as constructive criticism in my book.

The poster above didn't offer any positive observations, only highly subjective and what I perceive as minor creative differences, or merely opinions masquerading as creative differences, and some suggestions based in part on an inaccurate assessment. He didn't even bother to comment on the tread marks I did with the hydrocal, which I think came out very well (or at least very well for a first attempt)...certainly better than what I got trying to imprint the wet Celluclay or none at all (I appreciate the more considered opinions of the those suggesting that there should be some kind of tracks)., although he was sure quick to point out a perceived flaw in my process in trying to accomplish this with Celluclay alone.

I would really like to see an example by someone of viewable and detailed rubber tire tread marks in 1:24 scale on Celluclay. And I'm not talking about tank treads, which are obviously fundamentally different things than rubber tires. Because I don't think it can be done effectively just imprinting them in wet Celluclay, and neither do a number of other people who've tried it and whose comments I read on this board before I tried it myself. Using a plaster material over the Celluclay and imprinting that is what worked for me, and I got the idea from someone in one of the forums here.

Furthermore, it occurred to me that ya know....it would have at least been polite to wish someone luck in their first contest (as at least one other person did). And frankly, I would expect a better "judging" job from someone claiming to have all that judging experience. If this is reflective of the kind of judging "expertise" I can expect from "experienced" judges of model contests, whether IPMS or otherwise, I can't say I'm too impressed.

A major part of the model-building process is learning new things and applying and/or acquiring new skills. The vast majority of the comments on the various modles I've posted on FSM up to this point have been constructive, as well as instructive. What I learned here, in case anyone's interested, is that Celluclay generally sucks as a base material, and it's hard to judge the water to Celluclay ratio to the point that it makes predicting how it will act when drying somewhat difficult. I know a lot of people swear by it, and in fact I would use it again if nothing else as a challenge to get it right the next time, but in this case I added way too much liquid to this batch as evidenced by the shrinkage and warping of the base - a self-criticism that I've already pointed out.

Lesson learned, and I didn't need any half-a$$ed  critique to learn it.

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Posted by EasyMike on Wednesday, June 23, 2010 7:42 AM

batai37
...I think the offered opinions by ajlafleche in particular overly critical and nitpicky ...

I disagree.

 

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Posted by SuppressionFire on Wednesday, June 23, 2010 9:00 AM

batai37:

Realize some people will not accept the forums are for all skill & experience levels of modelers. These pages are far from any IPMS contest tables yet the criticism speaks differently. 

Like most information found online you have to sift through a mountain of coal to find a diamond.

Your addition of tire tracks really helped, be proud of your model and continue to enjoy building for YOUR satisfaction. Contests are not all about the awards, they are a fun afternoon sharing  a common interest in modeling with fellow enthusiasts. Get there early & buy lots of raffle tickets.

When asked 'Whats your favorite model?' I replied 'The one I am currently building' This is because I know each completed model is a bit better than my last, always trying something new & learning a new technique along the way.

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Posted by Stage_Left on Wednesday, June 23, 2010 9:50 AM

[quote user="SuppressionFire"]

batai37:

Realize some people will not accept the forums are for all skill & experience levels of modelers. These pages are far from any IPMS contest tables yet the criticism speaks differently. 

Like most information found online you have to sift through a mountain of coal to find a diamond.

Your addition of tire tracks really helped, be proud of your model and continue to enjoy building for YOUR satisfaction. Contests are not all about the awards, they are a fun afternoon sharing  a common interest in modeling with fellow enthusiasts. Get there early & buy lots of raffle tickets.

When asked 'Whats your favorite model?' I replied 'The one I am currently building' This is because I know each completed model is a bit better than my last, always trying something new & learning a new technique along the way.

Jason

 

SuppressionFire, thanks for the words of wisdom, IMHO.

batai37, I personally love it when someone shows off a technique new to them; a bit of jumping off the deep end to see how they do. It's learning, and I'm all for that. As for your model, kudos. I hope it gets some attention at the show.

I try not to take things someone else says too much to heart, for I'll give due respect to ajlafleche and his experience as something I could possibly learn from. I understand your arguements, and I agree with SuppressionFire that there are those who view the forums as though they were IPMS contest tables. But as has been said, be proud of your work and keep going. I log on here because I love plastic and interacting with those who feel the same way.

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Posted by vespa boy on Wednesday, June 23, 2010 10:04 AM

I really like you dio, and think you have done a great job on weathering the car.

Gum trees typically have a flaky bark on them (I grew up in Australia and have been out to Broken Hill where it was filmed) and I wonder if some detritus around the trees would help tie things together. The fallen branches are a well observed detail.

There was part of me that was hoping you would have built the scene where Max drives up to the parked gyro-copter  (its my snake, I trained it, I eat it)

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Posted by ajlafleche on Wednesday, June 23, 2010 10:35 AM

These pages are far from any IPMS contest tables yet the criticism speaks differently. 

Let's get the record straight...the op said he was planning on competing this in a diorama class and not just putting it on his shelf. He insisted, despite another poster as well as my post, that he wanted this seen as a dio. I tried to explain to him that as a diorama or vignette, this was exceptionally weak since there was no story being told.

These works, by Dan Capuano, is the kind of stuff with which he'd be competing if he entered this in dioramas:


I then tried to give him some guidance in terms of what the judges will be looking at when they evaluate this as a diorama. And despite protestations, artistic presentation will be considered by a judge. I explicitly said he be better off in the appropriate car or sci-fi category.  I avoided rudeness, though I was honest, and opened my critique specifically saying it was going to be a harsh critique, because if he were to make it past the first cut at judging, everything would be looked at thoroughly.

No apologies. I will not insult the op by fawning over his work as the best dio/model ever built. If anyone's ego is that fragile, don't show your stuff in public.

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, June 23, 2010 11:07 AM

Batai: if I may offer my two cents? Let me say first that it's your model and do whatever you want with it but I'm sincerly trying to help.

1). If it's based on a scene from 'The Road Warrior' (it's been forever since I've seen the film) you might consider placing the book or magazine open to the page of the photo you used for reference with the model. Better yet find a photo of the scene on the 'net, print it out and place it there. It will give judges who haven't seen the movie or like me have forgotten much of it something to reference to see how you tried to create the scene from the film.

2). Before you enter any catagory walk around and look at how many models and the quality in each catagory. Then make up your own mind as to where to enter it. PS- in lots of shows you won't see much of anything in the SF/Fantasy field so it can be an easy win.

3). As SF said buy lots of raffle tickets, you almost always win more than you invest.

And as I said above this is my two cents, take it or leave it. It's your model to use as you see fit.

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Posted by batai37 on Thursday, June 24, 2010 3:01 AM

Easymike

I disagree

So what.

If you want to be a parrot, try an ornithology forum.

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Posted by batai37 on Thursday, June 24, 2010 3:54 AM

Let's get the record straight...the op said he was planning on competing this in a diorama class and not just putting it on his shelf. He insisted, despite another poster as well as my post, that he wanted this seen as a dio. I tried to explain to him that as a diorama or vignette, this was exceptionally weak since there was no story being told.

Which, considering other opinions besides yours, I'm inclined to agree with. I was going on the description for dios given for what constitutes a dio according to the parameters set forth in the contest rules, as I've already described. That wasn't what I took issue with concerning  your "hard a$$" critique. My issue was with the fact that your "critique" was basically flawed and unconstructive, as I've already amply demonstrated. I'm not alone here in that opinion of what some of you self-professed "experts" here on FSM have to say about the submissions on this board. Some are good. Some are pretty lame. Like yours.

These works, by Dan Capuano, is the kind of stuff with which he'd be competing if he entered this in dioramas:

You know, that's generally pretty fine work, and I realize you didn't build them. Probably beyond my current skills.

But that said, you know something? Those buildings don't even look very real to me...they look like models of buildings. Is that what you judge as  good dio work? Maybe it's back to judge school. Oh and gee, look at all those rocks that don't look like they're partially buried in the soil. Confused What was he thinking? Big Smile

I then tried to give him some guidance in terms of what the judges will be looking at when they evaluate this as a diorama.....

Guidance my a$$. Most of what you said would be more properly defined as CRAP and not constructive criticism, as I already indicated and pretty well argued IMO. If you don't know the difference, then you shouldn't take the time to comment on other people's creative efforts here. Like my mom said: if you don't have anything good to say, then say nothing.

No apologies. I will not insult the op by fawning over his work as the best dio/model ever built. If anyone's ego is that fragile, don't show your stuff in public.

I wouldn't expect someone like you to apologize but....you don't get to go there pal. As I already stated, I don't have any problem with criticism...but hamhanded unconstructive BS like yours isn't needed by me or anyone else here, and to some extent in this case wasn't even an accurate appraisal as I already indicated. 

Noticeably lacking in your reply is any rebuttal, explanation, whatever, about your erroneous assumptions for instance regarding what was added to the celluclay base (paint, etc). You got that wrong bunkie. Flat wrong. Instead, you tried to paint yourself as the helpful sage. Bullsh!t. Anyone with eyes open can see that.

Of course, you didn't bother admitting that in your reply. Also lacking is any admission that if you're going to evaluate someone's work, and hold yourself out as an "expert" as you've done, that you might possibly be wrong about something. Naw, can't go there right? And not entirely helpful either...pointed that out as well, no response to that either.

Sounds like you're the one with the ego issue. Me, I'm my own worst critic...I just don't like pontificating a$$holes like you who only have bad things to say about someone's creative efforts, and not much else. It simply defies the purpose of why people post pics of their works here: to get constructive criticism, and that's certainly the only reason why I do it. I don't need or want fawning admiration. I'm still learning.

All this kind of reminds me of a quote by one of my favorite composers:

"Pay no attention to what critics say. No statue has ever been put up to a critic." - Sibelius

I really don't think a lot of people here, you included, really understand  or comprehend creativity. You just try to build ultra-accurate models out of  the box that someone else did the hard work for in designing and engineering, according to historical standards and not much else. Then add to a dio. Shake and repeat. Big deal.

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Posted by HeavyArty on Thursday, June 24, 2010 6:31 AM

Hey Batai37, take a chill pill.  If all you want is atta boys, and don't want any criticism at all, so be it.  Don't get your panties all in a wad when you do get criticism though.  When you put your models out in the open for all to see, you will get both. 

Now I am sure I will get a tirade reply as well, but I agree with what AJ is telling you too.  Don't go throwing the tired old "I'm an artist and I'm being creative" crap out there either.  Its really old.

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Posted by jtrace214 on Thursday, June 24, 2010 6:33 AM

I will second the buying of raffle tickets I went to my second show in April and bought an arms length of tickets and ended up winning 4 kits. To th O.P. I think it looks very good but then I consider myself an average modeler at best. You will be amazed at the contest entries. But do enter and keep building. Also I recomend joing a local club if you have one I just had my 1st annv. of being a member of the NJIPMS and couldn't be happier with the friends I have made and stuff I have learned.

 

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Posted by modelchasm on Monday, June 28, 2010 10:03 AM

Batai,

You got this one out to the show this past weekend, right!?! I was pretty sure that I saw it there, but couldn't make out who you were.

Seeing this thing in person was MUCH better than seeing it online. Lots of little details to look over. Sorry we didn't meet up, I had a couple of questions about it ... but now I can't remember them. Go figure....

I also liked how you changed up your base a little. The "road in the middle of nowhere" was a nice touch. I thought that the road texture was a little off, but then again it wasn't in the dio cat, so it didn't matter. For a road, someone once suggested to me to use the backside of a roofing shingle ... been using that techinque ever since.

Again, glad I got the chance to see this one in person ...

"If you're not scratching, you're not trying!"  -Scott

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  • From: New Jersey
Posted by oddmanrush on Monday, June 28, 2010 10:50 AM

First off, a well done model and a decent base. I won't critique anything, because much of what I would have said has already been mentioned, and judging by your response to particular criticism, it probably wouldn't do any good any way.

I believe there was a thread posted not long ago about the argument that is going on right now. A lot of guys don't comment or critique on builds for the simple reason you have so daftly provided here. People can't handle criticism, unless of course its followed up by a Yes or a Bow Down or a Toast or a Cool or what ever else you can add. Whether you like it or not, the advice provided was constructive, despite its lack of all the above 'smilies'. Its a shame you're taking it so personally and its a shame you have to resort to calling people names, even if you did use dollar signs.

Continue being creative, continue progressing, and continue building better models such as this one. But while doing it, take your own advice:

"Pay no attention to what critics say. No statue has ever been put up to a critic." - Sibelius

If you don't like what others think, say thank you and carry on. No need to get inflammatory because it is arguments like this that keep guys from commenting on other people's builds. The fewer comments we get, the less we learn from them (whether you want to learn from them or not. One man's advice is another man's BS).

Jon

My Blog: The Combat Workshop 

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