thx guys, got really lucky with the pics, went out on the back deck the other morning and the sun was coming up through the trees and seemed to be perfect casting just the right shadows and right amount of light, i couldnt beleive the trees would fit so right as a background, the b/w one with the sun rays really suprised me as did all the pics when i got them on my pc, the morning sun actually gave me the impression that it was morning in the dio with the long shadows, im realising now that photographing my dios is as important as building them and as much fun, i did have an overhead but they were blurred but the next time its nice out i will try for another, thx again
and skar the fence was already broken when we got here,,honest,,