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Auschwitz diorama : getting started/need feedback

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 3, 2005 5:13 AM
You're to be commended for attempting this diorama. A subject too long neglected by us modelers, IMHO.

Some thoughts:

(1) If you're going to have a selection vignette, you may want to consider including the camp orchestra.

(2) I believe ajlafleche is correct about the camps being abandoned before the arrival of the Red Army.

(3) It's a LONG way from the selection area to each of the gas chambers. Even at 1/72 your diorama is going to be several feet long, and will, I suspect, require more than 3 administative buildings. especially if you're going to include some towers. That would require you to model the entire railroad platform area, which is something like three-quarters of a mile long (maybe longer - can't recall). This won't be impossible to model, but will require some careful planning, and perhaps more work than you'd like.

(4) Don't forget that much of the work in Auschwitz was performed by kapos, not by the SS. You'll want to keep the proportion of SS to kapos pretty low.

Good luck. I look forward to seeing your photos.
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Posted by gringe88 on Wednesday, June 1, 2005 3:25 PM
i think the defining thing about this dio would be the figs, how they look, and how you paint them, both the living and the dead. thats gonna be your most telling aspect
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Posted by ajlafleche on Wednesday, June 1, 2005 1:18 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by frasercz
Tell me how far I should go with this nightmare. I was filled with sadness at times, making these horrid vignettes and imagining what my father went through. My goal is to make something good enough to be displayed at the local high school, or even the Holocaust Museum in Washington, from which I was inspired.


Before making plans to display it, I'd check with the school and contact the museum to see if they'd be interested. It's such a sensitive subject, anyone considering displaying it would want to know beforehand the credentials of the artist.

Remember, if the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy.

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Posted by ajlafleche on Wednesday, June 1, 2005 1:12 PM
I'm not sure I'm gettiing this...the combat scene in the front...is that supposed to be part of the overall scene? If so, having Mengele and much of the rest of the action doesn't seem to blend. Also, IIRC, the camps were abandoned before being overtaken.

Remember, if the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy.

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Posted by Duke Maddog on Monday, May 30, 2005 10:20 AM
I'll be looking forward to seeing those pics. Stay the course, stay strong, and may God guide your hand.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 29, 2005 5:38 PM
Thanks for the kind and thoughtful replies. I will post pictures as the progress progresses under the moniker "Auschwitz diorama." Thanks again.
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Posted by beav on Saturday, May 28, 2005 10:54 PM
Modeling is about preserving the past-no matter why you do it, you are ultimately contributing to that goal. We all have made the germans, the americans, the brits etc, we all read the magazines with the occupied towns; shatterered trees and historical footnotes. But what you are doing here(i hope it works) is groundbreaking. I have read quite a few people flamed on this subject in these forums-because we are afraid of what people will think. We are so scared of what you plan to do(i don't doubt you are scared too of what reactions might be, or whether you can have the mental capacity to complete this project) of what really happened, and that it was REAL. It was not a picture, it was not a horror story, not a shocking film, but real death, real torture, real horror. Steven King said we are scared of the door in horror stories, but what lies beyond is not as bad as we imagined. Just remember that, or tell people something to that effect to people who don't like what you are doing. God bless you on your 'quest' for a memorial, that has a face to the horror, not anonymity such as the holocaust memorial in germany, or the scary truth in washington dc, but a 3D still life of the sadness. Good luck and may bravery and strenght go with you.

"First to Fire!"

Steven

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Posted by Duke Maddog on Saturday, May 28, 2005 10:18 PM
I like the fact that you are willing to do such a diorama. Something like this should be done, if only to remind others of what really happened, and educate those who have yet to learn. Some ideas I feel would work are leave off the execution line and the hanging, but leave in the punishment scene. Also, unless they did outdoor burnings, leave that off too. I like the idea of Dr. Megele making his "selektion" and for the back, have the bodies from the train being loaded into the truck. One more idea: if you saw "Schindler's List" there's a scene where one of the guards is shooting a woman for no apparent reason. Maybe that can also be depicted to show the cruelty and lack of feeling the Nazis had.

That's my two cents. I hope nobody flames you for your bavery in depicting something that nobody should forget.

God Bless to your father for his bravery and fortitude in enduring that horror, and to you as well for honoring his memory in such a poignant and touching way.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, May 28, 2005 10:00 PM
I'm sure this is a subject that nobody wants to touch.I'll go out on a limb and say to just browse the internet or do some reading.There are planty of books on the Holocaust.Not to mention the Nazis were fanatical about photo-documenting everything.You could also just build the entrance building to Auschwitz II.Knowing it's history gives it an absolutely evil look.
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Auschwitz diorama : getting started/need feedback
Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, May 28, 2005 8:22 PM
My father survived Auschwitz, 1941-1945. He died last year. Since then, I've been working on building a diorama of Auschwitz, for his memory and to teach my children. I need feedback on how I can approach this without looking tasteless and amateur. All comments welcome.

I'm building a crematorium from a dairy/creamery HO scale train model. For the interior, I'm lighting it with a lamp that shines on a closed crematorium oven--nothing else. Below the crematorium, there will be two long rooms, made of balsa and painted concrete gray. One will be the gas chamber, with purple Zyklon B stains on the walls, but no dead bodies. The other room will be the undressing room, painted concrete gray, with 1/72 scale civilians and Nazis in various poses.

The prisoners barracks and the camp administration building (3 buildings in all) are converted Novel Iron Works buildings. Interiors will show the barracks bunks (balsa wood) and SS offices filled with SS posters, prisoner luggage, and SS officers milling about. Guard towers are made from HO scale Atlas elevated switch towers, altered to look like the real thing. The whole area will be surrounded by the infamous "triple fence" of barbed wire. The fenceline will be lighted by street lights. I chose all buildings with extreme care to closely duplicate the buildings at Auschwitz.

The real action/horror takes place outside the buildings. One vignette will be Nazis and prisoners in an execution line. One vignette will be a discipline line, with a half-naked prisoner being whipped by Nazis as others are forced to watch. One vignette will be a hanging. One vignette will be the burning of corpses in an outdor cremation pit. One vignette will be Dr. Mengele (SS doctor and executioner) making a "selektion" to send civilians to their deaths. A cattle car railroad boxcar spilling dead bodies and a German Army truck, also spilling dead bodies, will be in the back area of the diorama. The front of the diorama will be a slightly fanciful depiction of Russian Army infantry fighting retreating Germans on the day of liberation, January 26, 1945. The background painting will be of the rest of the camp and Auschwitz II-Birkenau in the distant background.

Tell me how far I should go with this nightmare. I was filled with sadness at times, making these horrid vignettes and imagining what my father went through. My goal is to make something good enough to be displayed at the local high school, or even the Holocaust Museum in Washington, from which I was inspired.
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