Call of Duty scene

HeavyArty wrote:

I wouldn't use any video game as reference for a dio or model.  They are not that historically accurate or detailed.  You will get much better info from good old research on internet sites or (heaven forbid) a reference book.  You will be amazed at what you will be able to find with some good ol' fashioned research.

For inspiration yes! Referance no. I too enjoy WWII games on my comp and find myself inspired for a dio idea from either some action or a cutscene from the game. But As HeaveyArty said not for referance.

Get the inspiration then do some research.

Bgrigg wrote:

The original PC game Call of Duty had many scenes lifted straight from movies. The opening scene of Russians crossing the Volga came from Enemy at the Gate. The street scene of Carentan is from Band of Brothers.

Now you are assuming that movies are historically accurate as well.  They usually are not either.

Gino,

The assumption is yours. I quite agree that games aren't accurate, nor am I saying movies are. But as inspiration they're both fine. Dios don't "have" to be accurate to be dios. If someone did a "Battle of Hoth" dio, I wouldn't give them a hard time about accuracy. Same with painting figures of Roman Gladiators. There is darn little reference and fewer pictures about what colors were used.

In defence of CoD, they spent an considerable amount of time and effort trying to be as historically accurate as they could be in a computer game. Their scenes of 88s look like pics of the real thing. The 88s may be missing details, but the look is there. The also paid homage to some great scenes from movies. Enemy at the Gate may have been dreck for accuracy, but the scene crossing the Volga is powerful. The "spawn point" at Carentan is the same location that Band of Brothers used in the mini-series, and they even had the piano left in the middle of the street.

You prefer historical accuracy, and that's fine. In fact, down right excellent! I'm an admirer of your work. Others may prefer capturing the "feel" of the moment.  And some will be in between.

Bill

Histoiricly the game isn't accurate, for example, most of the levels are happening in netherland september 1944, in operation marcket garden (don't know if there was such mission) too many solider keep coming back after behing dead. Also There tiger 1 were still in there panzer gray suite, only early tiger were gray, and I don't think they did good desine with there Panzer IV. And I don't believe that a hazerman (german half-track) can be beaten by a machine gun, and did anyone heard of a panzersherk?

Althought the there are two scene that could be easy to do and I'm really intertasted.

The first scene is from the first level of a willy jeep got shot by a panzer IV (I will check if its camo is correct) and a few americain soliders are escaping in a trench.

http://z.about.com/d/psp/1/0/S/B/-/-/callofdutyscreen09.jpg

The other is a B-24 defending from german planes, mostly messermich, I'll do this in large scale.

http://z.about.com/d/psp/1/0/V/B/-/-/callofdutyscreen06.jpg

This is just a few ideas, but won't be doing them for a while.

I agree, for inspiration and ideas, games and movies are fine.  For an actual referance, they are not.

The game sounds like they at least based it on actual battles.  Operation Market Garden was in Sep '44 in Holland.  There also was a Panzerschreck, it was basically the forerunner of the RPG (Rocket Propelled Grenade).  A large caliber MG (.50 cal and above) can damage or destroy (if hit in the right spot) a halftrack as well.  They only protected the crew against schrapnel and small arms fire, .30 cal and below.

Gino;

Wouldn't the Panzerfaust be the forerunner of the RPG? It looks like one.

From my information, the Panzerschreck was a German copy of our Bazooka, but heavier (88mm compared to 60mm). Our larger replacement, the M20 (89mm), didn't appear until Korea.

Mike T.

Bgrigg wrote:

Gino, The assumption is yours. I quite agree that games aren't accurate, nor am I saying movies are. But as inspiration they're both fine. Dios don't "have" to be accurate to be dios. If someone did a "Battle of Hoth" dio, I wouldn't give them a hard time about accuracy. Same with painting figures of Roman Gladiators. There is darn little reference and fewer pictures about what colors were used. In defence of CoD, they spent an considerable amount of time and effort trying to be as historically accurate as they could be in a computer game. Their scenes of 88s look like pics of the real thing. The 88s may be missing details, but the look is there. The also paid homage to some great scenes from movies. Enemy at the Gate may have been dreck for accuracy, but the scene crossing the Volga is powerful. The "spawn point" at Carentan is the same location that Band of Brothers used in the mini-series, and they even had the piano left in the middle of the street. You prefer historical accuracy, and that's fine. In fact, down right excellent! I'm an admirer of your work. Others may prefer capturing the "feel" of the moment.  And some will be in between.

Amen brother!

T-rex wrote:

Yeah, but the real panzersherck could beat a tiger with less than three shots, right?

It depends on shot placements. 

Yes there is the .50 caliber gun in the game, so thats why it was so easy beaten them, the buliding look just liek they were bomb and destroyed, and at the begining of each level you read a introduction written by a actuak team leader of the squared, ex: Calgary highlanders.

There are many weapons, artilery and armor in the game all real like the thompson machine gun, .50 calliber gun, Panzer IV, the wellie jeep, hazerman, persenel carriers, tiger 1 and anti-aircraft guns.

Unfortunatly you can driver the armor, only your enemy can, I'm sure that the full version game (on xbox or PC) you can drive them, but you can use the artilery and in one level your on a B-24 manning the turrets.

One of my favorite level is operation detroid, when your sranded british glider crew has to reach CO alive, not easy with all the hazerman around.

Yes there is the .50 caliber gun in the game, so thats why it was so easy beaten them

I wouldn't use the weapons effects in the game as a gauge to real weapons effects.  It is only a computer game for entertainment purposes.  It is like going to a movie, you should leave reality at the door.

I especially like the five or six shots from a M1 Garand that's required before your opponent decides to lay down and stay down! It plays both ways though, as you can take quite a beating before you die in CoD. CoD2 is worse, though. You NEVER die, all you have to do is find a hiding hole before building up your health.

CoD: UO had arty, which seems like fun, until your opponents figure out your spawn point and then it's spawn, die, spawn, die, etc. You could drive the jeeps and tanks. My buds and I had a great game one time where all we did was use the jeeps and run each other over.

Inspiration: yes! Reality: NO!

Yeah video games are probably not the best source of information you have to choose from. many parts of most games (especially CoD) are based off of movies, which has already put their own dramatic spin on whatever it's about, then the developers of the game add in extra stuff to make it entertaining to play, and by the end of this process you wind up with a large amount of historical innacuracies. I also personally don't trust anything that gets information from Enemy at The Gates.

 Nonetheless Call of Duty is a pretty cool game. any chance anyone here plays Day of Defeat?

Guys...it's a game, have fun with it.  Of course it's not accurate!  Why does everything need to be overly analyzed.  Just think back 30 years ago when the only war games we had were made outta card board!

Lighten up!

good one Iyaayas. I get the point of "leaving reality at the door" but we all can make dio of the exact 100% accuart event of the scene, we gotta have ideas from books, internet, photos, and sometime movies and in this case games. that's what so great about dioramas!

Any other opinion?

the situations aren't real but there is real stategis, for instant, in nomandy and in germany in operation market garden the allias wanted to make a clear route to berlin for there convod to move in,

Sort of.  Normandy was the invasion of Europe, the strategy was to overwhelm the German shore defences at a weak point and where they did not expect it, in order to gain a foothold on the continent.  The German froces expected the invasion to come at Calais, the shortest point across the channel and Allied intelligence fed German agents false info about an invasion coming there.  Operation Market Garden in Holland was an attempt to bypass the Sigfried Line on the France/Germany border and open up a northern route into Germany.  Neither one was for a clear route to Berlin. 

Now that you have an idea for a dio from the game, you should do some actual research and find out about units and vehicles that participated in the actual campaigns, maybe the terrain you want to put them in, time of year, etc. so that it can be realistic.  Or just build it as you like and have it a what-if dio from the game.

Also, a forum tip:  If you edit your message in Word or some other spell-checker first, it will catch typos, capitalization, and grammer errors and make them much easier to read.

Can an 88 canon can also be a anti-tank canon? I think it's more of a anti-aircraft.

BINGO! another idea right there, cause in the game you use them to shoot some panzers.

The german half-track hanoman or hazerman, can it be equipe with a .50 calider gun on it, and what was that truck primairy function in the war.

The german half-track hanoman or hazerman, can it be equipe with a .50 calider gun on it, and what was that truck primairy function in the war.

The Germans had two main machine guns in WWII, the MG 34 and MG 42. Both were 7.62 (about .30 caliber). Their next gun up was the 15mm found on the SdKfz251/21 Dillling kits.

You can use lots of stuff as inspiration to build your diorama, but I think one of the best things you can do before you build diorama is to go to your local book store/library to read some history books.   There are tons of books with lots of photos for the subject that you are interested in.   

By the way, Germans used 7.92X57 (also referred as 8mm mauser, diameter in inches .323), not 7.62mm (which is the diameter of U.S. 30.06 and .308 nato bullets) for their infantry rifles (98K mauser) and their machine guns.