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                        The Dragon And His Tail...

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                        Atrium82
                        • Member since
                          October 2008
                        • From: Melbourne
                        The Dragon And His Tail...
                        Posted by Atrium82 on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:23 AM

                        Hi,

                         I'd hate to bring this topic up again as I'm sure it's been discussed many times BUT I still can't find the definitive answer!

                        Was the dragon featured in this nose art coloured silver or green? It appears the general consensus is green, most models and artwork feature this and even a restored B-24 (until recently).

                        I'm going to embark on Academy's 1/72 B-24J kit and would like an accurate representation of this very cool 'plane.

                         So folks, green or silver?

                         Cheers

                        Steven

                        "I love this airplane so much that if it could cook, I'd marry it" - Eugene Valencia on the F6F Hellcat
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                        Hans von Hammer
                        • Member since
                          June 2008
                        • From: Iowa
                        Posted by Hans von Hammer on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:46 AM

                        Always looked like it'd be green to me as far as I could judge from the B&W photos...

                        http://electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/b24_flights/pics2004/orig_dragon.jpg

                        http://www.kensmen.com/64b2.html

                        http://www.kensmen.com/64b14.html

                         

                         

                         

                         

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                        bondoman
                        • Member since
                          March 2007
                        • From: Carmel, CA
                        Posted by bondoman on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:12 AM
                        Green on green for sure. You understand there wasn't a Dragon.. etc except for in the post-war recreation, so on an all metal finish, green is it.
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                        Hans von Hammer
                        • Member since
                          June 2008
                        • From: Iowa
                        Posted by Hans von Hammer on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:27 AM

                        Did a bit more searching and found it..

                        http://www.usaaf-noseart.co.uk/bartigian-dragon.htm

                        http://www.usaaf-noseart.co.uk/bartigian-sarkis.htm

                         

                         

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                        cardshark_14
                        • Member since
                          June 2004
                        • From: Tucson
                        Posted by cardshark_14 on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:34 AM

                        Neither.  The Dragon is a dark red.  Contemporary color photos have surfaced recently that show it as dark red, instead of the green that people thought for a long time.  The Minicraft 'Dragon & His Tail' kit has nice decals that have an accurate red color.



                        HTH!

                        Cheers,
                        Alex

                        Never trust anyone who refuses to drink domestic beer, laugh at the Three Stooges, or crank Back In Black.
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                        bondoman
                        • Member since
                          March 2007
                        • From: Carmel, CA
                        Posted by bondoman on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:43 AM

                        Looks good Alex. The color photos are from your neck of the woods, a post war recreation, and the decals match. Dragon is green/green/gray, background red, highlights red.

                         

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                        Hans von Hammer
                        • Member since
                          June 2008
                        • From: Iowa
                        Posted by Hans von Hammer on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:43 AM
                        Sources?

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                        bondoman
                        • Member since
                          March 2007
                        • From: Carmel, CA
                        Posted by bondoman on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:48 AM

                         Hans von Hammer wrote:
                        Sources?
                        http://www.ww2-airshows.lone-wolfs-den.com/B-24.htm The Collings Foundation, but images from:

                        http://rides.webshots.com/photo/1035737212021366276DZjrGF for a totally useless color shot, except that it's obviously contemporary. I really will be looking for the original a/c which sounds to be in B/W only.

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                        cardshark_14
                        • Member since
                          June 2004
                        • From: Tucson
                        Posted by cardshark_14 on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 3:19 AM
                         bondoman wrote:

                        Looks good Alex. The color photos are from your neck of the woods, a post war recreation, and the decals match. Dragon is green/green/gray, background red, highlights red.



                        Nope, Collings Foundation, and numerous decal companies have botched this, as, at the time, there were no known color photos of 'Dragon And His Tail'.  They have since surfaced, and now we know the Dragon's color.  Contemporary, as in WWII-era, color pics show Dragon and His Tail to be red.

                        Collings Foundation Replica

                        REAL 'Dragon And His Tail'

                        There are better contemporary shots in higher resolution of this bird in color, during or shortly after WWII, but you get the idea.

                        Cheers,
                        Alex

                        Never trust anyone who refuses to drink domestic beer, laugh at the Three Stooges, or crank Back In Black.
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                        Hans von Hammer
                        • Member since
                          June 2008
                        • From: Iowa
                        Posted by Hans von Hammer on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 3:21 AM
                         It sure looks like the real deal to me in color... Actually, upon closer examination, it looks to be both green and red in the Dragon's scales... That's the same pic I put in the link, Shark... I didn't hot-link it, but it looks like we're using the same site..

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                        cardshark_14
                        • Member since
                          June 2004
                        • From: Tucson
                        Posted by cardshark_14 on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 3:23 AM
                         Hans von Hammer wrote:

                        Did a bit more searching and found it..

                        http://www.usaaf-noseart.co.uk/bartigian-dragon.htm

                        http://www.usaaf-noseart.co.uk/bartigian-sarkis.htm



                        Ha!  Hans, you beat me to it! Wink [;)]

                        Cheers,
                        Alex

                        Never trust anyone who refuses to drink domestic beer, laugh at the Three Stooges, or crank Back In Black.
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                        Hans von Hammer
                        • Member since
                          June 2008
                        • From: Iowa
                        Posted by Hans von Hammer on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 3:26 AM
                        I'd always assumed (I know, I knowASS-etc), that it was green, seemingly a logical conclusion... That was even before they did it on the CF bird... I first saw the plane about 30 years ago in a magazine like Wings or Airpower, can't remember which...

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                        666Irish
                        • Member since
                          January 2008
                        • From: Woodbine, MD
                        Posted by 666Irish on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 5:18 AM

                        On a side note, are there any B-24's in 1/48 scale? I am generally an Armor guy, but would like to model the aircraft of the Collings Foundation, since I have been up in a few of them (Their B-17, B-25, and B-24). Thanks in advance for any information!

                         

                        Steve

                        She was only a whiskey maker, but he loved her still.

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                        hkshooter
                        • Member since
                          December 2003
                        • From: Indiana
                        Posted by hkshooter on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 10:09 AM
                        I have SuperScale decals for this plane in 72nd I don't think I'll ever use. He's green in these.
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                        Hans von Hammer
                        • Member since
                          June 2008
                        • From: Iowa
                        Posted by Hans von Hammer on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 10:13 AM
                         666Irish wrote:

                        On a side note, are there any B-24's in 1/48 scale? I am generally an Armor guy, but would like to model the aircraft of the Collings Foundation, since I have been up in a few of them (Their B-17, B-25, and B-24). Thanks in advance for any information!

                         

                        Steve

                        Monogram released the 1/48 B-24J years ago, and there was later a Pro Modeler release of the B-24D.  There's also a re-release of the Pro Modeler B-24D, without the PE parts.  I don't know if you can find these in the LHS anymore , but there's quite a few on Ebay.... 

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                        Gordon D. King
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                          May 2015
                        Posted by Gordon D. King on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 10:56 AM
                        I have the Microscale sheet. 48-037 The dragon's color is green on the belly and not silver like the real painting. However, I don't know of any other 48th scale decal sheet.
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                        Atrium82
                        • Member since
                          October 2008
                        • From: Melbourne
                        Posted by Atrium82 on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 3:05 PM
                        Excellent information and pics. Thanks Guys!
                        "I love this airplane so much that if it could cook, I'd marry it" - Eugene Valencia on the F6F Hellcat
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