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1/48 C-47 Kit Questions
Posted by paintsniffer on Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:23 AM

I searched the forums with not much success on these questions. 

I have built a Monogram AC-47 Gunship.. I liked the kit.

Anyway, now I want to build a WWII C-47. The Monogram AC-47 kit comes with the appropriate props but it is missing the interior seats.

WWII Decals seem easy enough to find after a brief seach.

Monogram just came out with a Berlin Airlift C-47.. I was wondering if anyone knows what the interior is like on this one?  Does it have seats or is it bare? The box art makes me think it is lacking a cargo door. Granted, the kits are cheap enough I Could buy one of each.. Or just quit whining and cut the door myself.

I guess I could entertain the Trumpeter idea.. But I think $100 for a C-47 that seems to get politely slammed for not being up to par in all the reviews is a bit much just to have interior seats. 

I know Monogram made a C-47 way back that was exactly what I am looking for (complete with paratroopers) but I don't like playing the ebay game (especially on model kits) and LHS pretty much dont exist for me.. So I am kind of stuck with current or recent production. 

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Posted by toomanyslurpees on Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:14 AM

 

I'm sure any WWII C-47 was often used with no seats, just set up for cargo, and any C-47 should have the cargo door (a DC-3 wouldn't even though the two names are thrown around pretty interchangably) Are you specifically looking to do one ready for paratroopers?

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Posted by paintsniffer on Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:32 AM

I was thinking one that was paratrooper ready. Meaning I was kind of hoping to find one with seats already included.

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Posted by Dirkpitt289 on Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:47 AM
If memory serves me the jump seats an the old C-47s folded up and down along the wall. I'm guessing with some research you should be able to scratch build them rather easily.

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Posted by PaintsWithBrush on Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:52 AM
If the reissue is faithful to the original, it should have the seat benches. The only way to be sure you will get what you are searching for is to "bite the bullet" and pay the bucks for the Trumpeteer or to a specialist who has the old Monogram kit.
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Posted by the Baron on Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:43 AM
The original Monogram boxing is just what you're looking for.  I wouldn't give up on eBay for it (I bided my time, but eventually, I got the Monogram B-24D I wanted) but even if you don't want to bid on an eBay auction, I would stay with the secondary (ie, second-hand, as opposed to retail) market.  If you can get to them, look at modeling shows, but also flea markets.

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Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:27 PM

If memory serves me, the "seats" were molded into the floor in the early kit. You're better off getting another AC-47 and scratching or kitbashing the wall mounted bench seats from another source. If you're not going to have the doors open, you won't see them anyway.

Get some rod stock and make some seat canvas out of tissue and white glue.

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Posted by bondoman on Thursday, September 17, 2009 1:00 PM

here's a pic.

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Posted by orro on Thursday, September 17, 2009 2:03 PM

I have the kit copywrite from 1978 (it cost me $7.95 retail at the time), the seat are molded as seperate pieces and are the later, more common metal seats. The originial troop seats were canvas and gave way to the metal seats that were used on the aircraft during most of WWII.

Owen

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Posted by toomanyslurpees on Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:48 PM

 

Actually,come to think of it I have a poorly built C-47 from my childhood that I took apart and stuffed in a box with the plans to rebuild it, but now that it's been re-released I'm sure I never will, and if I did I doubt I would use the seats. It might become a donor for the fuselage extension if I ever try to do a Basler conversion (which I probably won't ever do either, but you know how it goes, more ideas than time) If you're interested in the seats send me a message, my forum name @ hotmail.

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Posted by kermit on Friday, September 18, 2009 5:50 AM

Sorry i did not catch this thread earlier...

I think you will find everything you need in the Berlin Airlift kitWink [;)]:

As you can see in the building instructions, the benches and paratroopers are greyed out and not called for during the build but they ARE present:

And a closeup of the benches... Para's can just be seen in the corner (not that bad either imho):

For a more detailed view of the instructions and their painting finishes (a RAF and a US version) i would want to direct you here:

http://www.revell.de/manual/04697.PDF

Hope this has answered your questions to your satisfactionSmile [:)] And no trumpeter can beat that very smooth pricetag too (i payed 30 euro's (about $44) for this one)Big Smile [:D]

Richard

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Posted by the Baron on Friday, September 18, 2009 11:09 AM
 kermit wrote:

Sorry i did not catch this thread earlier...

I think you will find everything you need in the Berlin Airlift kitWink [;)]:

As you can see in the building instructions, the benches and paratroopers are greyed out and not called for during the build but they ARE present:

And a closeup of the benches... Para's can just be seen in the corner (not that bad either imho):

For a more detailed view of the instructions and their painting finishes (a RAF and a US version) i would want to direct you here:

http://www.revell.de/manual/04697.PDF

Hope this has answered your questions to your satisfactionSmile [:)] And no trumpeter can beat that very smooth pricetag too (i payed 30 euro's (about $44) for this one)Big Smile [:D]

Richard

Wow, thanks for the look at that kit, Richard!  I didn't realize that the Berlin Airlift boxing had the original trees.  Now I can strike the old boxing off my hunting list on eBay.

Apart from the enjoyment that I got from Monogram's later 1/48 multiengine aircraft kits (nice detail, etc), for this kit, it was the stick of paras that came with it, and Shep's diorama of the eve of D-Day that really made the C-47 a thrill for me.  I built 2 of them, back then.  I'd like to build it again, to relieve that fun.

Regards,

Brad

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Posted by kermit on Friday, September 18, 2009 11:24 AM

That's what this forum is all about isn't it? Glad to be of helpWink [;)]

Now to contain myself and not start on this kit.... I bought it a while ago but never even looked at it thoroughly, except for the instructions and decalsBig Smile [:D] Looks like fun to build though, not to mention the size of this lady...

Richard

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Posted by the Baron on Friday, September 18, 2009 11:28 AM
Or maybe I spoke too soon about eBay-is this kit still in the Revell catalog?  I looked online but didn't see it.  Even so, it means I don't have to look for the old boxing, which increases the odds of finding it.

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Posted by kermit on Friday, September 18, 2009 11:36 AM

Don't know about how things are going across the pond at revell (monogram) America, but this kit is widely available here in Europe and listed on the revell.de site. I would say yes. Look for kit number 04697

EDIT:

Just did some snooping around myself and indeed, this kit isn't in the revell/ monogram america catalogue. You would have to find a US retailer that also sells RoG (europe) kits. The kit page is on the revell.de site:

http://www.revell.de/en/products/model_kits/model_kits/aircraft/index.html?id=210&KOKANR=01&KOSCHL=01&KGSCHL=&L=1&page=14&sort=0&nc=1&searchactive=&q=&SWO=&ARMAS4=&PHPSESSID=8e68680b5bde793ce6a133d41a87aafd&KZSLPG=all&offset=108&cmd=show&ARARTN=04697&sp=1

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Posted by the Baron on Friday, September 18, 2009 11:48 AM
Dank u, Richard!  I looked at www.revell.com, I never tried the Deitsche site, da schau i mal 'rum!

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Posted by kermit on Friday, September 18, 2009 11:51 AM

 the Baron wrote:
Dank u, Richard!  I looked at www.revell.com, I never tried the Deitsche site, da schau i mal 'rum!

Laugh [(-D] Nice try! And Graag gedaan vriendWink [;)]

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Posted by oleander13 on Friday, September 18, 2009 12:25 PM
Things could be worse. Suppose your errors were counted and published every day, like those of a baseball player. Life will always throw you curves, just keep fouling them off... the right pitch will come, but when it does, be prepared to run the bases.
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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, September 18, 2009 3:32 PM

Dayum... I didn't know the Belin Airlift Gooneybird had the paratroopers in it... I woulda skipped buying the AC-47 and not have started casting paratroopers from the ONE remaining figure I had in the scrapbox from the old C-47...

I gotta get THAT one now...

Apart from the enjoyment that I got from Monogram's later 1/48 multiengine aircraft kits (nice detail, etc), for this kit, it was the stick of paras that came with it, and Shep's diorama of the eve of D-Day that really made the C-47 a thrill for me.  I built 2 of them, back then.  I'd like to build it again, to relieve that fun.

I plan on recreating Shep's dio m'self... 'Cept it'll be a C-47, rather than the RAF Dakota that became the Skytrain Shep portrayed... If you remember, Shep's bird was RAF initially, then it was transferred to the USAAF at some point.  It was wearing US markings on it's RAF camouflage...

If you want, here's a link to the D-1 (D-Day minus one, 5 June 44) C-47 Diorama sheet from Shep's build that was included in the original Monogram kit...

http://sheperdpaine.atspace.com/c47.htm

BTW, if you click on the picture of the C-47 diorama, it'll take you a bunch more of Shep's Diorama Tip Sheets from his other Monogram dios..

 

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Posted by richter111 on Saturday, September 19, 2009 1:48 PM
It's nice to see that the kit has the same WWII pilots and ground crew, in the same poses...
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Posted by kermit on Saturday, September 19, 2009 2:51 PM

Might as well ask it here now that i come to think of it...

A C47 á la "market garden" is buildable out of the berlin airlift kit? I mean, what are the (structural) differences between the DC3 (civil prewar), C47 (WW2) and Skytrain (postwar)?

Richard

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Posted by paintsniffer on Saturday, September 19, 2009 5:58 PM

Gotta love Mongram.. Thanks for the heads up on the Berlin Airlift kit.. that is EXACTLY what I was looking for.. Now I can buy one.

 

And gotta love the price.. Very reasonable for a kit that size! 

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Posted by bondoman on Saturday, September 19, 2009 6:13 PM
 Hans von Hammer wrote:

Dayum... I didn't know the Belin Airlift Gooneybird had the paratroopers in it... I woulda skipped buying the AC-47 and not have started casting paratroopers from the ONE remaining figure I had in the scrapbox from the old C-47...

I gotta get THAT one now...

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