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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, July 7, 2010 3:52 PM

Well considering they overran a huge swath of South East Asia, the South West Pacific, with lots and lots of Allied airfields with unserviceable or derelict aircraft, and more than likely enough aircraft parts to cobble together more than a few flying examples.... B-17, P40, P-36, Hurricane, Buffalo...

Take a look at this link for more information

http://www.j-aircraft.com/captured/capturedby/b-17/captured_b17.htm

 

 

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Posted by Railfan 233 on Wednesday, July 7, 2010 4:04 PM

Very interesting, Stik.

Well, I know more about WWII than I did a few days ago. Interesting, how the Japanese captured some American aircraft, and didn't use them for defence of the Japanese mainland.

  

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, July 7, 2010 4:17 PM

The types that Japan captured would not have been of much use in 1945. The B-17 could not have been used against the B-29s in the same manner as the Germans used captured B-17s against the 8th Air Force. And as for any fighters.. against the latest Mustangs, Hellcats, Corsairs, and Thunderbolts being flown against the home islands they would have not had a chance. Even a superb pilot such as Saburo Sakai would have been hard pressed to simply survive.

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, July 7, 2010 4:38 PM

Check out this 1/72 decal sheet I found...

http://www.risingdecals.com/ZOO/K_ZOO_A.htm

 

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Posted by Railfan 233 on Wednesday, July 7, 2010 7:35 PM

Huh, the Germans captured B-17s too? B really need to hit the history books hard, if I missed stuff like that

  

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, July 7, 2010 10:41 PM

Yes they repaired a few that had been damaged and force landed in good condition. Some were used to help develop tactics for defending Luftwaffe fighters. Others were used to shadow incoming bombing raids broadcasting accurate heading and altitude to German defenses then breaking away. Shortly after accurate flak would would hit the incoming US bomber stream.

 

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Posted by richs26 on Thursday, July 8, 2010 12:58 AM

You forgot that some were used by KG 200 to drop German agents around Europe and the Middle East.  For the Japanese B-17's, Aviation History magazine has a nice article on them for this month.

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Posted by jetmodeler on Thursday, July 8, 2010 7:17 AM

Hearing about the B-17s in Japanese service is a first for me.

 

 

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Posted by Railfan 233 on Thursday, July 8, 2010 1:12 PM

Alright, it makes sence now. The Germans would use captured B-17s to get an accurate reading on speed and heading, since the Americans were using the same aircraft, to get AA fire even more accurate.

 

  

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Thursday, July 8, 2010 6:33 PM

Railfan 233

Alright, it makes sence now. The Germans would use captured B-17s to get an accurate reading on speed and heading, since the Americans were using the same aircraft, to get AA fire even more accurate.

 

Actually, it's a little more than that... Using the captured Forts allowed the German aircrews an extra measure of passive defense in that, even if they were marked with German insignia (as most were), the shape of the aircraft was easily recognizable as a "Friendly" to both the American bomber crews and any escorting fighters and allowed them a longer time to "shadow" the formation than say, an FW-200 would... 

You, as a aerial gunner or fighter pilot,  can spot and ID a hostile from a far greater distance by its shape before you ever see what markings it has...  

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Posted by bbrowniii on Thursday, July 8, 2010 9:30 PM

Railfan 233

Huh, the Germans captured B-17s too? B really need to hit the history books hard, if I missed stuff like that

And don't forget the Soviets... there were several incidents in which B-17s and later B-29s were forced to land at Soviet airfields.  The aircrews often had a heck of a time getting back, and the aircraft were kept by the Soviets for much the same reason the Germans and Japanese did (to evaluate and copy).

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

 

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Posted by richs26 on Friday, July 9, 2010 12:58 AM

Hans von Hammer

 Railfan 233:

Alright, it makes sence now. The Germans would use captured B-17s to get an accurate reading on speed and heading, since the Americans were using the same aircraft, to get AA fire even more accurate.

 

 

Actually, it's a little more than that... Using the captured Forts allowed the German aircrews an extra measure of passive defense in that, even if they were marked with German insignia (as most were), the shape of the aircraft was easily recognizable as a "Friendly" to both the American bomber crews and any escorting fighters and allowed them a longer time to "shadow" the formation than say, an FW-200 would... 

You, as a aerial gunner or fighter pilot,  can spot and ID a hostile from a far greater distance by its shape before you ever see what markings it has...  

That is why the 8th AF adopted special colors and markings, and flares of the day for that specific mission.  Any approaching aircraft that did not had the id of the day was fired upon immediately as it approached, even if it was an Allied aircraft, such as a B-17 or B-24.

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, July 9, 2010 2:44 AM

Any approaching aircraft that did not had the id of the day was fired upon immediately as it approached, even if it was an Allied aircraft, such as a B-17 or B-24.

Yeah, also one of the reasons that those super-bright recognition lights were in the tail... And it especially went for the escorts as they joined up...  Dad told me that the First Rule of Escort was, "Don't point your stupid nose at the bombers...".  You just flat did NOT chase an enemy fighter through the bomber box... Especially if you were in a Mustang, lol...  Heh, reminds me... He told me about some P-38 pilots that weren't all that good at telling 109s apart from P-51s either...    He always got a little "nervous in the service"  whenever they were supposed to link up with P-38s...

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Posted by Railfan 233 on Friday, July 9, 2010 11:25 AM

O.K., I think I understand it enough to get my hed out of the box for now....

 

  

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Posted by waikong on Friday, July 9, 2010 12:41 PM

Well, seeing this thread come alive again make me dig out my old Arii boxing of the P-40E. Now that I've finished my other builds, I may have to give this a try. That's sure an interesting scheme to replicate.

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Posted by p38jl on Friday, July 9, 2010 1:23 PM

ya,, me to.. think I'll give it a shot.. humm... now.. to the stash... !!  HmmYeah

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Posted by Screaminhelo on Saturday, July 10, 2010 7:44 AM

Wow, what an offer!  I don't think that I could do the paint job though Tongue Tied

I will just have to sit back and see what y'all come up with.

Mac

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 12, 2010 9:03 AM

ya,, me to.. think I'll give it a shot.. humm... now.. to the stash... !!  HmmYeah

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Posted by bbrowniii on Monday, July 12, 2010 8:23 PM

Anonymous

ya,, me to.. think I'll give it a shot.. humm... now.. to the stash... !!  HmmYeah

Hey p38,

How'd you do that?  That's a new little forum quirk I've not yet seen...

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

 

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Posted by Railfan 233 on Monday, July 12, 2010 9:17 PM

who is "anonymous"?

How do you post anonymously?

 

  

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Posted by p38jl on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 7:56 AM

bbrowniii

 Anonymous:

ya,, me to.. think I'll give it a shot.. humm... now.. to the stash... !!  HmmYeah

 

Hey p38,

How'd you do that?  That's a new little forum quirk I've not yet seen...

 

umm,, whatd I do ????...... Indifferent

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Posted by bbrowniii on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:01 AM

p38jl

 bbrowniii:

 Anonymous:

ya,, me to.. think I'll give it a shot.. humm... now.. to the stash... !!  HmmYeah

 

Hey p38,

How'd you do that?  That's a new little forum quirk I've not yet seen...

 

 

umm,, whatd I do ????...... Indifferent

You became 'Anonymous'....Geeked

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

 

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Posted by p38jl on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:10 AM

bbrowniii

 p38jl:

 bbrowniii:

 Anonymous:

ya,, me to.. think I'll give it a shot.. humm... now.. to the stash... !!  HmmYeah

 

Hey p38,

How'd you do that?  That's a new little forum quirk I've not yet seen...

 

 

umm,, whatd I do ????...... Indifferent

 

You became 'Anonymous'....Geeked

humm... I did ??Blind Fold my screen shows my Normal.. like Abby Normal...  I must be showing up under my Alias...lolWhistling

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Posted by p38jl on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:42 PM

No "E" model in my stash.. Ebay to the rescue...!! one found.. ordered...

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Posted by p38jl on Monday, July 19, 2010 9:23 AM

p38jl

No "E" model in my stash.. Ebay to the rescue...!! one found.. ordered...

it came in on Friday.. hope to start this week..!

 

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Posted by p38jl on Monday, July 26, 2010 2:01 PM

ok,, plane mostly built.Smile.. landing gear next... then paint....IndifferentSurprise

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Posted by waikong on Monday, July 26, 2010 4:15 PM

Man, you're fast. I started on mine this weekend.  I was going to just build OOB, but ofcourse once I started, I just had to improved this or that. The kit comes with an engine, so I guess I HAVE to display that to with more details.  <sigh>.  Would love to see some in progress shots especially how you plan to tackle the color scheme.

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Posted by p38jl on Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:19 AM

ok,, here we go.. some WIP pics.. no paint yet.. but just some seam cleaning and hopefully in the paint shop soon..[View:/themes/fsm/utility/P-40E rt fnt:550:0]

 

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Posted by waikong on Wednesday, July 28, 2010 12:34 PM

looking good, can't wait to see some paint on her.

I built my cockpit and engine, and the more I look at the engine the more I think I'm just going to close her up. Just too much work to make it look right, as it just has too many things wrong with it compare to the real engine.

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Posted by p38jl on Tuesday, August 3, 2010 10:07 AM

hello again,, seems have been cleaned up,, and bottom color applied.. this showed some patch work that still needs to be freshened up, this model came with 4 holes per wing for some kind of armement or something out by the wing guns.. they needed to be filled in better...Surprise

If things go well,, maybe green and nose coloring this weekend.. I'll try to get some good WIP pics, but I'm bad at that as I get in a "zone" when I paint,, and forget things...lol...Whistling

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