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Fw 190 Mottling?
Posted by DoogsATX on Friday, December 9, 2011 2:30 PM

Gearing up to do the mottling on my Fw 190A-3 tonight, and I'm having some trouble getting a clear picture of how I need to apply.

The camo is RLM 74/75/76, pretty standard, with moderate mottling over the 76 on the fuselage sides. But the Tamiya instructions are dreadfully unhelpful with the mottling color. Is it just 74 (graugrun)? Just 75 (grauviolet)? Both? Do they track with the 74/75 along the fuselage spine (i.e. 75 up front, 74 from around the cowl guns to the back of the canopy, then 74 again up the tail), or are they all intermingled?

 

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Friday, December 9, 2011 2:37 PM

I think (honestly haven't built a 190 recently - gotta fix that! Stick out tongue) the A-series used 75 only on the mottling, all the way across.  The D-series saw a lot more mixing & matching of colours. All subject to the whims of the ground crews, like anything Luftwaffe-related.

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, December 9, 2011 2:57 PM

I would go with both to mix it up a bit. If the instructions are vague, you have wiggle room. Or you can go with RLM 02 mottling as well. B&W photos of 190s are hard to decipher there. I dont believe there is a hard fast rule aside from one or combinations of those three colors being used for mottling.

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 9, 2011 3:17 PM

Some ideas:

 

From my research, 190's didn't generally carry as much mottling as the 109's---they generally had more RLM 76 left on their sides than did 109's...

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 9, 2011 3:25 PM

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Friday, December 9, 2011 5:26 PM

Manstein's revenge

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb110/dblvisions2001/German%20Aircraft/Fw190/Axis025.jpg

That last one was a special gift from Manny's Luftwaffe buddies. They dressed up a 190 with tally marks for every fraulein in his past...

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 9, 2011 5:39 PM

VanceCrozier

 Manstein's revenge:

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb110/dblvisions2001/German%20Aircraft/Fw190/Axis025.jpg

 

That last one was a special gift from Manny's Luftwaffe buddies. They dressed up a 190 with tally marks for every fraulein in his past...

Those larger ones represent "heavies"...

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, December 9, 2011 5:53 PM

"Valkyrien" Frauleins Herr Feldmarschall?Wink

Here is the 02 mottle on the 190 I finished this summer- very low key

 

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Posted by Reasoned on Friday, December 9, 2011 6:10 PM

VanceCrozier

 Manstein's revenge:

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb110/dblvisions2001/German%20Aircraft/Fw190/Axis025.jpg

 

That last one was a special gift from Manny's Luftwaffe buddies. They dressed up a 190 with tally marks for every fraulein in his past...

and it looks like his fly is open too.

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Posted by panzerpilot on Friday, December 9, 2011 6:32 PM

Herr Graf's A5, with RLM 75 mottling

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Posted by Nathan T on Friday, December 9, 2011 7:10 PM

Doogs, are you doing black 13? i have that in the hasegawa box. also have black and white ref. pics I think, I can look and see what the hase instructions say and see if there is any contrast in the ref. pic later tonite.

 

 

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Posted by ps1scw on Friday, December 9, 2011 7:17 PM

Manstein's revenge

Some ideas:

 http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb110/dblvisions2001/German%20Aircraft/Fw190/Axis023-1.jpg

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb110/dblvisions2001/German%20Aircraft/Fw190/t-34039-1.jpg

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb110/dblvisions2001/German%20Aircraft/Fw190/Dio084.jpg

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb110/dblvisions2001/German%20Aircraft/Fw190/Dio146.jpg

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb110/dblvisions2001/German%20Aircraft/Fw190/Dio151.jpg

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb110/dblvisions2001/German%20Aircraft/Fw190/Dio095.jpg

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb110/dblvisions2001/German%20Aircraft/Fw190/Luftwaffe063-1.jpg

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb110/dblvisions2001/German%20Aircraft/Fw190/Dio128.jpg

From my research, 190's didn't generally carry as much mottling as the 109's---they generally had more RLM 76 left on their sides than did 109's...

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Posted by DoogsATX on Saturday, December 10, 2011 2:00 AM

Thanks gents - very helpful! 

Mine doesn't hold a candle to the fantastic 190s in here...but here it is after fooling around with the airbrush tonight. Definitely need more mottling practice before I go play with my big Hasegawa A-8.

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, December 10, 2011 2:19 AM

Doogs, your modesty is good manners, but your other work speaks for itself. That mottling looks great and I have no doubt your completed Wurger will look great as well.Wink If you can do that nice tight mottle in a smaller scale, 1/32 should be easy for you.Yes

 

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Posted by Reasoned on Saturday, December 10, 2011 7:51 AM

Agreed, nothing wrong with that job. Beer

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Posted by Wabashwheels on Saturday, December 10, 2011 8:43 AM

Ahem!

 

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Posted by Buckeye on Saturday, December 10, 2011 9:12 AM

Looks great Doogs.  I'm working on the same kit right now.

 

Some free hand mottling I did on my 109.  Yes, I know the mast is crooked.Bang Head

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, December 10, 2011 9:39 AM

109 mottling???

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Posted by Buckeye on Saturday, December 10, 2011 9:57 AM

Very nice work there!Toast  I really like yellow 11.

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, December 10, 2011 1:18 PM

109's....Hmm Bodenplatte or Adler Tag?

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, December 10, 2011 5:07 PM

Wabashwheels

Ahem!

http://i745.photobucket.com/albums/xx92/wabashwheels/Axis025.jpg

Chuckle...

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Posted by Hercmech on Saturday, December 10, 2011 6:12 PM

Nic collection there Manny!


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Posted by Reasoned on Saturday, December 10, 2011 8:31 PM

Heart After all those 109's...... I have to take a cold shower.

 

Yeah, my life is pathetic, Embarrassed

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Posted by AT6 on Saturday, December 10, 2011 11:48 PM

The mottling looks good. If you wish to tone it down any, spray a light coat of the under surface color on it. I did that with a 190a-5 and I liked it. The only things I put enough on it that I have to look closely to see it now.

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