Hans , I stand corrected .I appreciate the input .Told ya I don,t build many planes . I like it simple and DARNED IT --P.C. anytime . My girls all flew and the oldest flew a plane that was called (and had the nose art ) of (P*&$#@ GALORE In the very daring pose some have seen ) This plane was NAVY and it was just before " TAILHOOK " nuff said . thanks again . tankerbuilder