I'm excited...

VanceCrozier

 

Sprue-ce Goose:

 

Final straw may have been the Luftwaffe losing to P-51 and P-47 fighter escorts  because Goering didn't believe they were possible.

 

 

"you may call me Mayer...."

Shoulda called him  Oskar kuzz he was such a wienie

Sprue-ce Goose

Final straw may have been the Luftwaffe losing to P-51 and P-47 fighter escorts  because Goering didn't believe they were possible.

"you may call me Mayer...."

Da mn double posts!

I suspect more than anything they were a tired, beat up group of young men, who had raving lunatic leaders and little or no supplies.  Again, according to the book they pretty well knew by the end of  '43 it wasn't "if" but "when" the fat lady was singing.

Final straw may have been the Luftwaffe losing to P-51 and P-47 fighter escorts  because Goering didn't believe they were possible.

VanceCrozier

Reasoned:

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Back to the vid, I wonder if the disaster of "Operation Bodenplatte" precipitated the big Lufftwaffe commander  "revolt"  to replace Goring.

 

Certainly a big factor, but I thing the rumblings had started prior to Boddenplatte anyway.

No question, there were "rumblings" going years back but I wonder if it was the "final straw".  I'm reading a book now "German Aces Speak...." that talks in great detail of the actual "fighter revolt", fascinating.  makes you wonder what would have happened if Galland, Neuman et al had been listened to.

VanceCrozier

Reasoned:

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Back to the vid, I wonder if the disaster of "Operation Bodenplatte" precipitated the big Lufftwaffe commander  "revolt"  to replace Goring.

 

Certainly a big factor, but I thing the rumblings had started prior to Boddenplatte anyway.

No question, there were "rumblings" going years back but I wonder if it was the "final straw".  I'm reading a book now "German Aces Speak...." that talks in great detail of the actual "fighter revolt", fascinating.  makes you wonder what would have happened if Galland, Neuman et al had been listened to.

VanceCrozier

 

Reasoned:

 

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Back to the vid, I wonder if the disaster of "Operation Bodenplatte" precipitated the big Lufftwaffe commander  "revolt"  to replace Goring.

 

 

Certainly a big factor, but I thing the rumblings had started prior to Boddenplatte anyway.

Not surprising.

Goering became addicted to pain killer after he was hit by a shotgun blast at the 1923 Munich Putch and - as head of the Luftwaffe- preferred to play rather than do productive work.

Manny could probably tell ya about a few things he saw at the Reichskanzlei and Hitler's Berghoff

Reasoned

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Back to the vid, I wonder if the disaster of "Operation Bodenplatte" precipitated the big Lufftwaffe commander  "revolt"  to replace Goring.

Certainly a big factor, but I thing the rumblings had started prior to Boddenplatte anyway.

Sprue-ce Goose

VanceCrozier:

 

Sprue-ce Goose:

 

 

VanceCrozier:

 

 

Manstein's revenge:

 

Any skinny on this???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmcC4evUKXg&feature=player_detailpage

 

 

Yes - that first aircraft is a P47....

 

Affirmative !

 

 

 

Is this an Affirmative Action?

 

If so, gets a government grant

But we're broke....... eh, that never stops them.

Back to the vid, I wonder if the disaster of "Operation Bodenplatte" precipitated the big Lufftwaffe commander  "revolt"  to replace Goring.

VanceCrozier

 

Sprue-ce Goose:

 

 

VanceCrozier:

 

 

Manstein's revenge:

 

Any skinny on this???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmcC4evUKXg&feature=player_detailpage

 

 

Yes - that first aircraft is a P47....

 

Affirmative !

 

 

 

Is this an Affirmative Action?

If so, gets a government grant

Sprue-ce Goose

 

VanceCrozier:

 

 

Manstein's revenge:

 

Any skinny on this???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmcC4evUKXg&feature=player_detailpage

 

 

Yes - that first aircraft is a P47....

 

Affirmative !

 

Is this an Affirmative Action?

VanceCrozier

 

Manstein's revenge:

 

Any skinny on this???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmcC4evUKXg&feature=player_detailpage

 

 

Yes - that first aircraft is a P47....

Manstein's revenge

Any skinny on this M-O-J-O???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmcC4evUKXg&feature=player_detailpage

Yes - that first aircraft is a P47....

Any skinny on this???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmcC4evUKXg&feature=player_detailpage

Manstein's revenge

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and proclaim that Von Werra was the most gifted fighter pilot of the war...

Okay, On vacation I've been reading several books (one being The German Aces Speak WWII) and now am led to believe that Marseille was possibly the most "gifted" pilot.  This from comments by Galland and Eduard Neumann.  Of course, this is all just fun speculation.  I must say, Marseille was not your model Luftwaffe officer though, especially if you had a daughter........ Or wife near by!

I've seen it advertised for sale in a British publication, should be available on our side of the pond shortly. Any info on the Airfix website? I'm interested in picking up a foldy-floatie-thingie as well.

Has Anyone seen this kit for sale in the States yet?  I'm quickly losing my excitement...

"Are we there yet, are we there yet"................

Anyone who frequents ARC will most likley have seen "Pierre's Swordfish", it's a lovley dio built around a Floatstringfishbag, I cant find the build thread, but;

Dio;

http://s362974870.onlinehome.us/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=144277&st=0

Pics;

http://s362974870.onlinehome.us/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=165498&st=0&gopid=1525009

Manstein's revenge

Box-art:

Manstein's revenge

The excitement is begining to wear off a tad...I guess at this point you could say I'm semi-excited...

Trucks are good, too ..........

The excitement is begining to wear off a tad...I guess at this point you could say I'm semi-excited...

Reasoned

Perhaps at resoursefulness but as a fighter pilot.....?

Reasoned

Perhaps at resoursefulness but as a fighter pilot.....?

That we will never know. The man was killed too early in the conflict. It was reported as engine trouble. Even at this early stage, he claimed 4 kills during The Battle of France and 4 kills in The Battle of Britain and was a Knight's Cross holder.

Perhaps at resoursefulness but as a fighter pilot.....?

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and proclaim that Von Werra was the most gifted fighter pilot of the war...

There's a movie that was made in the late 50's  called The One That Got Away and is based on Von Werra's escape.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050803/

There's also a book under the same title, authored by Kendal Burt and James Leasor, published in 1974...

plastickjunkie

Manstein's revenge:

modeler#1:

this is a bit off topic but did the pilot survive?

 

Yes, and he was the only German pilot in British custody (Canadian PoW Camp) to escape back to Germany via the United States to fly again in combat...unfortunately, the lion cub did not survive...

 

 

Franz von Werra was a master of the BS tactics. After being shot down over Kent, England, he was captured as a POW but escaped in Dec. 1940. He posed as a Dutch pilot and attempted to "liberate" an aircraft but was captured in the act of taking a British plane. In Jan. 1941 he was sent to Canada as a POW but escaped while enroute to captivity. He walked over to the US side and with the help of the German Consulate, he made it to Mexico, Brazil, Spain and Italy. A few months after rejoining his squadron, his 109 went down over the N. Sea on Oct. 1941. There's a movie that was made in the late 50's  called The One That Got Away and is based on Von Werra's escape.

plastickjunkie

 

Manstein's revenge:

 

 

modeler#1:

this is a bit off topic but did the pilot survive?

 

Yes, and he was the only German pilot in British custody (Canadian PoW Camp) to escape back to Germany via the United States to fly again in combat...unfortunately, the lion cub did not survive...

 

 

 

 

 

Franz von Werra was a master of the BS tactics. After being shot down over Kent, England, he was captured as a POW but escaped in Dec. 1940. He posed as a Dutch pilot and attempted to "liberate" an aircraft but was captured in the act of taking a British plane. In Jan. 1941 he was sent to Canada as a POW but escaped while enroute to captivity. He walked over to the US side and with the help of the German Consulate, he made it to Mexico, Brazil, Spain and Italy. A few months after rejoining his squadron, his 109 went down over the N. Sea on Oct. 1941. There's a movie that was made in the late 50's  called The One That Got Away and is based on Von Werra's escape.

FWIW   After The Battle magazine published an article about the movie  in  ISSUE No. 002 (Code A002):

http://www.afterthebattle.com/osCommerce/product_info.php?products_id=118

plastickjunkie

There's a movie that was made in the late 50's  called The One That Got Away and is based on Von Werra's escape.

I'll bet that's also where Katy Perry got the idea for her song......... "The One That Got Away" .